1g Deca Only Experiment

[AlwaysHungry]

I wasnt talking about permanent damage to thyroid, i said about its detrimental effects on your physique. I dont need more than 50-100mcg t4 to get in competition shape and the times i tried more than 25mcg t3 was flat as hell, no pump, water retention due to adrenal fatigue and losing muscle at fast rate.

Once again, do what you want but 50mcgt3 is excessive

Not all people react the same. Even the medical dosages vary from person to person.

From my experience this is not true. If you run a good anabolic stack you won't lose any muscle unless you go to excessive.

50mcg t3 is a nice dosage for bulking if your physique can afford some lost fullness.
T3 improves digestion for me too and for all athletes and a good digestive system is critical if you wanna bodybuild.

If your natural you will lose muscle on t3. But enchanched with good nutrition running anabolics and low dosage t3 no, the loss is only glycogen

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Not all people react the same. Even the medical dosages vary from person to person.

From my experience this is not true. If you run a good anabolic stack you won't lose any muscle unless you go to excessive.

50mcg t3 is a nice dosage for bulking if your physique can afford some lost fullness.
T3 improves digestion for me too and for all athletes and a good digestive system is critical if you wanna bodybuild.

If your natural you will lose muscle on t3. But enchanched with good nutrition running anabolics and low dosage t3 no, the loss is only glycogen

I mean, do I look flat in my pics? I've felt nothing but better on T3. I've also just looked online forums and plenty of others seem to have done T3 while bulking, no more than 50mcg ED.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

For the sake of this experiment, and just in case the T3 could interfere with the Deca's ability to do its job at full potential, I will stop taking it tomorrow and see what happens. However, if my digestion goes back to shit for some reason, I will be jumping back on. I will keep everyone posted of course.

 

[jJjburton]

So much broscience in this log. Following curiosity. Hope it works.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

So much broscience in this log. Following curiosity. Hope it works.

which part is broscience?

 

[jJjburton]

which part is broscience?

Broscience is not a bad thing. Just alot of it

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Broscience is not a bad thing. Just alot of it

Anything in particular so when know what you're referring to lol?

 

[Type-IIx]

Heh, this thread is entirely broscience, though I haven't seen anything so out of line (besides some misconceptions about E2 from Dbol, insulin resistance and thyroid hormones) that it warrants anything being said.

I'll just add that:
- I don't expect OP to have any problems
- especially after stopping the T3 (catabolic dosage)
- this is interesting, blood work would be great to see

 

[koast123]

I mean, do I look flat in my pics? I've felt nothing but better on T3. I've also just looked online forums and plenty of others seem to have done T3 while bulking, no more than 50mcg ED.

Flat and fat. Take bloods first, then decide what you do

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Flat no
But you will have more fullness if y remove the t3. That's why I said if your physique can afford some "lost fullness"

Flat in most cases is a combination of
Low estrogen, higher bf and water retention from nandro and or testo.

If you look Flat and remove t3 of course you will bring more fullness. But the main reasons is what I said above and you should work on them.
If t3 is the reason for flatness you can counter act it easily by
1. Lower dosage
2. More protein carbs
3. Higher anabolic
4.insulin

I don't think you look Flat. Buy could you have more fullness? Probably.
What I see is fat. You can cut it with the nandro and t3. And from there you can change your cycle and do a bulk and then your muscles will fill up again with glycogen and will be leaner.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I'm gonna just trust you guys and drop the t3, no need for bloodwork which I just got a few weeks ago. I was taking 50mcg of t3 then also, but it wasn't pharm grade and the results came back in normal range. When I showed the lab I got it from, they said to send it back and they sent me pharm grade. So clearly that batch was no good.

I'll take pics as I go along, and if I was flat, well, we'll see me more full lol.

I will say, the weights are already feeling lighter.

I honestly want to get leaner, and to be real with your guys, in my whole time "bodybuilding" I've never been shredded; the leanest I ever got was some veiny legs and 'flabs'; I've probably never even been less that 12% bf. And if I was, I was too small.

If I ever got shredded, now, after putting on way more muscle than my younger retarded self, I would look like a bodybuilder, even if I were only 215 lbs. But, I do want bigger arms and calves; currently my arms at 17.5 and calves 16.5. I always wanted 18 inch at least. But that takes putting on tissue.

Let me show you some old pics

2016

Feb 2017; just TRT cyp 200mg doing IIFYM


Then decided to add more size; never could get rid of the lower pouch.


TRT test c, var, and tren with IGF1 LR3 months later, around 215 or so.



Then I went vertical diet, to around 230, see size difference


Legs compared






So yea, my issue is always the same; if I get lean enough, I'm still not shredded, and I'm too small; if I get bigger, I'm Mr. Flabs with some size, but don't look like a bodybuilder.

Granted, I would be around a similar leanness with more tissue, so that is a win, but still nothing impressive.

Now, I have way better shape than this pics from years ago, but alas, still the fat whale (in BBer standards). I honesty think I suck for all the hard training and work I put in, but I'm always getting compliments at the gym, and I'm probably one of the bigger guys there, but that doesn't say much lol.

 

[Gbro]

Anyone else get a boner? Put a little more work into those tris. If you're not trying to look like a competitive bb, don't worry about being ripped.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Anyone else get a boner? Put a little more work into those tris. If you're not trying to look like a competitive bb, don't worry about being ripped.

well these are all old pics, my tris are better now... but again, my arms should be way bigger, and I will never resort to SEOs, which to my surprise, are very much popular among pros.

 

[theotherguy]

So yea, my issue is always the same; if I get lean enough, I'm still not shredded, and I'm too small; if I get bigger, I'm Mr. Flabs with some size, but don't look like a bodybuilder.

Granted, I would be around a similar leanness with more tissue, so that is a win, but still nothing impressive.

Now, I have way better shape than this pics from years ago, but alas, still the fat whale (in BBer standards). I honesty think I suck for all the hard training and work I put in, but I'm always getting compliments at the gym, and I'm probably one of the bigger guys there, but that doesn't say much lol.

I was in the same boat as you for a long time, thinking that I would always be big and fat and would never be able to be lean.

I had abs for the first time ever this year (I even spent 4 years in the corps myself and never had abs then) and I found out it was basically because I was an undisciplined shit. I was lying to myself about how much I was overeating. I hired a nutritionist and she helped get me jacked and lean and (strongman) competition ready. Back in early October I was 233-235 and 11-12% BF (I've put on some fat since then, I was 241 this morning, but I am also recovering from a few injuries).

You have even admitted to eating like shit all the time. Clean up your diet, and the gear AND training will work better.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Triceps just now

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I was in the same boat as you for a long time, thinking that I would always be big and fat and would never be able to be lean.

I had abs for the first time ever this year (I even spent 4 years in the corps myself and never had abs then) and I found out it was basically because I was an undisciplined shit. I was lying to myself about how much I was overeating. I hired a nutritionist and she helped get me jacked and lean and (strongman) competition ready. Back in early October I was 233-235 and 11-12% BF (I've put on some fat since then, I was 241 this morning, but I am also recovering from a few injuries).

You have even admitted to eating like shit all the time. Clean up your diet, and the gear AND training will work better.

Thing is, when I did teh IIFYM and counted all calories, I definitely got leaner, but I lost like 21lbs in 3 months. Recently, I lost 30lbs in 9 months, taking my time and I look almost as lean but bigger than then. Thing is, now I'm gonna blast deca and stop t3, I'll have to get lean later.

 

[theotherguy]

Thing is, when I did teh IIFYM and counted all calories, I definitely got leaner, but I lost like 21lbs in 3 months. Recently, I lost 30lbs in 9 months, taking my time and I look almost as lean but bigger than then. Thing is, now I'm gonna blast deca and stop t3, I'll have to get lean later.

I did all my own nutrition for 3 years and never really got the results I wanted. I hired a nutritionist and got almost the exact results I wanted in about 3-4 months. You certainly aren't clueless as to what you're doing, but another perspective could do wonders, as it seems you are spinning your wheels. It did for me anyways

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I did all my own nutrition for 3 years and never really got the results I wanted. I hired a nutritionist and got almost the exact results I wanted in about 3-4 months. You certainly aren't clueless as to what you're doing, but another perspective could do wonders, as it seems you are spinning your wheels. It did for me anyways

Thing is, I know every method and spoke to everyone, which is why I'm trying different kinds... So far, I'm taking a longer approach has been more sustainable than deeper deficit. But again, now I'm blasting Deca, so I'll put my fat loss on hold until next year, so I can see what Deca can do.

 

[theotherguy]

Thing is, I know every method and spoke to everyone, which is why I'm trying different kinds... So far, I'm taking a longer approach has been more sustainable than deeper deficit. But again, now I'm blasting Deca, so I'll put my fat loss on hold until next year, so I can see what Deca can do.

I don't get what you're saying, what do you mean you know every question an spoke to everyone? With a statement like that you may as well be claiming to know everything.

Can you clarify what you mean?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I don't get what you're saying, what do you mean you know every question an spoke to everyone? With a statement like that you may as well be claiming to know everything.

Can you clarify what you mean?

What I mean by that is that I've done my research for years, spoken to several different people, know a few coaches myself, and basically I know better, so there is no excuse for me. Thing is, there's a million ways to skin a cat, and many of those ways work. Instead of listening to people, I've taken the time to try those ways out on myself over the years.

As for me hiring a coach, the only thing that would accomplish is keeping me on track, but that can done with discipline and focus without spending money. Also, with coaches, it's trial and error with them as they learn your body. And since I'm not competitor, I see no reason to spend money on them because I know the basics and the training. They only thing I would pay a coach for is contest prep, which I know nothing about, but since I don't compete, I don't need one.

I know my body; I just need to stop jumping from one goal to another, and finish what I started. In other words, I know what my problem is; it's not a mystery.

Last person I spoke to was John Meadows, and he advised getting leaner before bulking. I was doing that and I lost a ton of fat, but over a way longer period of time.

I was gonna keep the t3 in this cycle, too, but as you can see, I'm also very fickle, and I've already diverged from my original plan just by a few suggestions here from others, like dropping the t3. So this experiment went from "maingain" with t3, to now I'm about to see If I can add more weight to realize Deca's full potential.