Getting to the next level

[J7j6j4j2]

Ok so a bit about me: 32 years old, 6', 215, Mid 400s bench, mid 700s deadlift (haven't tested maxes for safety reasons, but those should be accurate). Been training for 15+ years, 11 natty, the last 4 with gear. I've exclusively stuck to AAS the last 4 years, no GH, no slin, no stimulants. The problem I've run into is that I'm having trouble making gains at this point. My last cycle was Test/Tren/Anadrol, and while I did make some gains and hit PRs, the gains were small and It was absolutely miserable being on those harsh compounds, especially tren. I ended the blast 5 weeks in due to sides. So basically I'm thinking of trying out a bit of GH, with more mild compounds for a long, slow, steady gain phase that will hopefully push my physique to the next level. Also, at this point size is a bigger concern than strength, as much as I like being strong, I just don't think an 800+ pull will improve my quality of life at all.

So basically I've come up with the following to try and push things to the next level, and hopefully not hate my life while blasting. I should mention Test + Adrol are the 2 compounds to which I respond best. I've ran Deca once - zero sides, but minimal gains - It might have been fake, I have a new source now. Tren hates me, other than for very small doses for short periods. I've never run EQ. I'm looking for some input from others that have been at the same place, and have experience with GH.

Test 750mg Week 1-20
Deca - 600mg Week 1-20
EQ - 600mg Week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20
AI/caber/blood donation and all that fun shit

To push things as gains start to slow (this has worked well for me in the past)
Anadrol 50mg/day Week 14-20 - Maybe Dbol instead - EQ+ adrol seems like an HCT disaster
Tren A 150mg/week, Week 18-20

Alternately - No EQ so that I can run more Adrol without HCT issues (I've run like this in the past with 0 liver issues)

Test - 750mg Week 1-20
Deca 600 mg week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20

Anadrol 50mg Weeks 13-16
Anadrol 100mg Weeks 17-20
Tren 150mg Weeks 19-20

TLDR: Me lift long time, me gains slow, me want more, me try GH, what you think?

 

[OmL]

May I ask, you do it and you get bigger. Then what?

 

[Ferret]

Ok so a bit about me: 32 years old, 6', 215, Mid 400s bench, mid 700s deadlift (haven't tested maxes for safety reasons, but those should be accurate). Been training for 15+ years, 11 natty, the last 4 with gear. I've exclusively stuck to AAS the last 4 years, no GH, no slin, no stimulants. The problem I've run into is that I'm having trouble making gains at this point. My last cycle was Test/Tren/Anadrol, and while I did make some gains and hit PRs, the gains were small and It was absolutely miserable being on those harsh compounds, especially tren. I ended the blast 5 weeks in due to sides. So basically I'm thinking of trying out a bit of GH, with more mild compounds for a long, slow, steady gain phase that will hopefully push my physique to the next level. Also, at this point size is a bigger concern than strength, as much as I like being strong, I just don't think an 800+ pull will improve my quality of life at all.

So basically I've come up with the following to try and push things to the next level, and hopefully not hate my life while blasting. I should mention Test + Adrol are the 2 compounds to which I respond best. I've ran Deca once - zero sides, but minimal gains - It might have been fake, I have a new source now. Tren hates me, other than for very small doses for short periods. I've never run EQ. I'm looking for some input from others that have been at the same place, and have experience with GH.

Test 750mg Week 1-20
Deca - 600mg Week 1-20
EQ - 600mg Week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20
AI/caber/blood donation and all that fun shit

To push things as gains start to slow (this has worked well for me in the past)
Anadrol 50mg/day Week 14-20 - Maybe Dbol instead - EQ+ adrol seems like an HCT disaster
Tren A 150mg/week, Week 18-20

Alternately - No EQ so that I can run more Adrol without HCT issues (I've run like this in the past with 0 liver issues)

Test - 750mg Week 1-20
Deca 600 mg week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20

Anadrol 50mg Weeks 13-16
Anadrol 100mg Weeks 17-20
Tren 150mg Weeks 19-20

TLDR: Me lift long time, me gains slow, me want more, me try GH, what you think?

I know how you feel, same problem here, my Bench is around 950, I've never maxed out for safety reasons, but I'm not making anymore gains.

 

[Formsh1ft]

Food.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Can I ask the thought process behind introducing Tren for the final two weeks? Out of curiosity it seems a mute point for the duration exposed.

If on previous cycle you ended 5 weeks in due to side effects the exposure vs reward in this case would be insufficient given the timeframe. Two weeks may limit the noticeability of sides, but two weeks will still play tambourines in your internals with at best a minor benefit if at all.

Curious of your take, thanks in advance.

J

 

[J7j6j4j2]

May I ask, you do it and you get bigger. Then what?

A good question, Theoretically I would be happy with my physique at that point, but we all know how the lifting game goes... never enough.

Food.

I've been plenty heavier than 215 in the past. I have an absurdly thin frame (I know 5'4 Asian girls with bigger joints than me), and 215 is a weight I can maintain kinda lean and perform well at. Also, tren kills my appetite, hence the desire for more mild compounds and longer cycle.

Can I ask the thought process behind introducing Tren for the final two weeks? Out of curiosity it seems a mute point for the duration exposed.

If on previous cycle you ended 5 weeks in due to side effects the exposure vs reward in this case would be insufficient given the timeframe. Two weeks may limit the noticeability of sides, but two weeks will still play tambourines in your internals with at best a minor benefit if at all.

Curious of your take, thanks in advance.

J

The idea would be to add a bit extra to break plateaus. An Idea I got from more experienced users that I know offline, and that seems to work well once gains slow down on cycle. At 150mg/week for 2 weeks I never had any sides, but did see a boost in gains.

 

[Type-IIx]

Not really a next level rhGH dose but basically replacement, 2 IU 5 days weekly might give you average GH levels of a 28 y/o.

 

[Juicedhead]

Up your test to 1000mg, and add gh at 5iu with insulin if you want to add that. I’d say maybe you need more food or more drugs if your training hard and not seeing solid gains on those doses that’s concerning. Makes me think maybe your not eating enough?

 

[steckdose0]

Up your test to 1000mg, and add gh at 5iu with insulin if you want to add that. I’d say maybe you need more food or more drugs if your training hardy and not seeing solid gains on those doses that’s concerning. Makes me think maybe your not eating enough?

only retards and guys following cycles from the 80s take a gram of test a week. that shit is outdated bro. longer blasts with lower doses and the right combination of gear is where it's at.

OP, you should swap out EQ for masteron or primo. with masteron you won't gain a lot if anything at all but it's a great addition to any cycle in order to boost your free test.

you should also probably start out with lower doses and slowly ramp up if you're dead set on going that high. you're gonna feel like dog shit running that much gear for 5 fucking months

 

[Juicedhead]

only retards and guys following cycles from the 80s take a gram of test a week. that shit is outdated bro. longer blasts with lower doses and the right combination of gear is where it's at.

OP, you should swap out EQ for masteron or primo. with masteron you won't gain a lot if anything at all but it's a great addition to any cycle in order to boost your free test.

you should also probably start out with lower doses and slowly ramp up if you're dead set on going that high. you're gonna feel like dog shit running that much gear for 5 fucking months

Haha idk where u get ur info from dude but that’s just simply not the case. U want size like big size u need test at least a gram.OP bottom line is if you can’t grow on 1g test and 400-600 mg of an anabolic you’re not eating enough. With the doses u mentioned that’s plenty to make gains. What’s ur diet look like?

 

[steckdose0]

Haha idk where u get ur info from dude but that’s just simply not the case. U want size like big size u need test at least a gram.

no you dont lol. you need GH and insulin if you want real size not test. what is this kindergarten?

 

[steckdose0]

if you can’t grow on 1g test and 400-600 mg of an anabolic you’re not eating enough.

i dont recommend it but you can make gains in a deficit on that much gear and if you can't, you're buying straight trash. OP is 6 foot 215... that's not that big he doesn't need a gram of test.

 

[Dead]

no you dont lol. you need GH and insulin if you want real size not test. what is this kindergarten?

 

[Sampei]

Up the Test dosage to 1,2+ G
Sides are minimal if non existent (at least for me) and the results are fantastic.

I'm doing 1,2g test and 600deca and it's fucking great. I just feel good and I'm really seeing nice gain. All the markers are great too.

Before going the HGH insulin route (I don't suggest you do), just up the test dosage.

HGH at 2-3IU taken 5 days a week is meh... Especially the 5 days a week. If you don't have the money to waste don't use HGH simple as that

Food and more gear is your problem. Or maybe you topped up your genetic potential.

If your boneframe is super small you must look huge at 215lbs 6'
Enjoy it and don't stress over it.

 

[NBE]

only retards and guys following cycles from the 80s take a gram of test a week. that shit is outdated bro. longer blasts with lower doses and the right combination of gear is where it's at.

OP, you should swap out EQ for masteron or primo. with masteron you won't gain a lot if anything at all but it's a great addition to any cycle in order to boost your free test.

you should also probably start out with lower doses and slowly ramp up if you're dead set on going that high. you're gonna feel like dog shit running that much gear for 5 fucking months

What kind of bullshit is this?

this is the post of a new age tick tocker and Brandon Hardingler gym shark wearing dangling cross ear ring having can’t stop staring at themselves fingers through the hair running, new age fuck boy.

OP, 750-1g test base plus another total gram of other stuff, nand, drost, primo, various orals - doesn’t matter which ones they all fucking work.

If you want to continue to make progress you gotta pick out the right info to listen to here. Most of the stuff I see here now days is just false info. Because they, are sheep and love to be up with the new way of things right or wrong- and that info was wrong.


your proposed cycle will be plenty given you are good with food. Gears fuckin basic, test base, dht, 19nor and gh with optional insulin. What you should have posted about is how your going to eat and train to create new growth. Gears in the background - food and training you manipulate and work with CONSTANTLY

 

[Demondosage]

You accept the fact that you are near maxed out and far past your genetic ceiling. You use less gear and focus on health as #1 now.

I know this isn’t the answer you are looking for but I wasted a lot of time trying to put on more size in the past when I could have been focusing on quality and health. Ain’t worth it

 

[GuerillaPete]

Up the Test dosage to 1,2+ G
Sides are minimal if non existent (at least for me) and the results are fantastic.

I'm doing 1,2g test and 600deca and it's fucking great. I just feel good and I'm really seeing nice gain. All the markers are great too.

Before going the HGH insulin route (I don't suggest you do), just up the test dosage.

HGH at 2-3IU taken 5 days a week is meh... Especially the 5 days a week. If you don't have the money to waste don't use HGH simple as that

Food and more gear is your problem. Or maybe you topped up your genetic potential.

If your boneframe is super small you must look huge at 215lbs 6'
Enjoy it and don't stress over it.

Whats your ai protocol for this cycle?

 

[Sampei]

Whats your ai protocol for this cycle?

25mg exemestane 3 times a week.

Need to test my E2 to see where they are, for now it's seems ok. Dick is working, sex drive is high.

 

[Mcflyfast]

Ok so a bit about me: 32 years old, 6', 215, Mid 400s bench, mid 700s deadlift (haven't tested maxes for safety reasons, but those should be accurate). Been training for 15+ years, 11 natty, the last 4 with gear. I've exclusively stuck to AAS the last 4 years, no GH, no slin, no stimulants. The problem I've run into is that I'm having trouble making gains at this point. My last cycle was Test/Tren/Anadrol, and while I did make some gains and hit PRs, the gains were small and It was absolutely miserable being on those harsh compounds, especially tren. I ended the blast 5 weeks in due to sides. So basically I'm thinking of trying out a bit of GH, with more mild compounds for a long, slow, steady gain phase that will hopefully push my physique to the next level. Also, at this point size is a bigger concern than strength, as much as I like being strong, I just don't think an 800+ pull will improve my quality of life at all.

So basically I've come up with the following to try and push things to the next level, and hopefully not hate my life while blasting. I should mention Test + Adrol are the 2 compounds to which I respond best. I've ran Deca once - zero sides, but minimal gains - It might have been fake, I have a new source now. Tren hates me, other than for very small doses for short periods. I've never run EQ. I'm looking for some input from others that have been at the same place, and have experience with GH.

Test 750mg Week 1-20
Deca - 600mg Week 1-20
EQ - 600mg Week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20
AI/caber/blood donation and all that fun shit

To push things as gains start to slow (this has worked well for me in the past)
Anadrol 50mg/day Week 14-20 - Maybe Dbol instead - EQ+ adrol seems like an HCT disaster
Tren A 150mg/week, Week 18-20

Alternately - No EQ so that I can run more Adrol without HCT issues (I've run like this in the past with 0 liver issues)

Test - 750mg Week 1-20
Deca 600 mg week 1-20
GH 2-3 IU/day, 5 days/week Week 1-20

Anadrol 50mg Weeks 13-16
Anadrol 100mg Weeks 17-20
Tren 150mg Weeks 19-20

TLDR: Me lift long time, me gains slow, me want more, me try GH, what you think?

That is a big cycle. The main question I have for you is what are your calories? Your macros?

I think you are within reason, I still think the Deca dosing is a little too high in my opinion.

Also, GH will not make you grow. If anything you will have more trouble because GH causes insulin resistance. You might look a bit fuller from the water retention but I feel it's a drug you use more for a recomping effect and to help with tendons/ligaments. If for this, that is an entirely different story. For example, this be good for you for the lifts you pull to help recover and prevent an injury.

 

[Juicedhead]

What kind of bullshit is this?

this is the post of a new age tick tocker and Brandon Hardingler gym shark wearing dangling cross ear ring having can’t stop staring at themselves fingers through the hair running, new age fuck boy.

OP, 750-1g test base plus another total gram of other stuff, nand, drost, primo, various orals - doesn’t matter which ones they all fucking work.

If you want to continue to make progress you gotta pick out the right info to listen to here. Most of the stuff I see here now days is just false info. Because they, are sheep and love to be up with the new way of things right or wrong- and that info was wrong.


your proposed cycle will be plenty given you are good with food. Gears fuckin basic, test base, dht, 19nor and gh with optional insulin. What you should have posted about is how your going to eat and train to create new growth. Gears in the background - food and training you manipulate and work with CONSTANTLY

Exactly. All these new young fucking bitch ass gym shark boys who don’t know test is king get out of here with your girly ass cycles.