Steroids that have a positive effect on mental health!?

[Drexyl]

Bro ... Ment and B6? Another 19nor, agonising the progesterone receptor even further (that's where most sides form 19nor's come) and b6? He is way past the level of vitamins doing anything that will even make a dent. Not that b6 isn't effective for prolactin ... But this is not his problem.

I he would like to keep the dosages, he'd need some strong stuff like; moderate dose ssri. Something to knock down the dopaminergic and noradrenergic tone by a mile and to calm down the amygdala. So definetly no snri's, nri's, mirtazapine's, even maoi's might be problematic and tetracyclic's that are heavy in increasing dopamine transmission are also not a good idea. He needs to seriously dampen down the "drive". So either ssri's or atypical antipsychotics at lower dosages. But imo, I'd still say it's best just to really lower the dosages so he can come to his senses. I mean, he is not a pro, no sponsors are counting on him to perform at this or that show or a foto shoot or whatever. It's a freakin hobby. Imagine your hobby of train model's collection ruining your life, having to move out of your house, etc.

I would say B6 would be a great start, and adjusting the current intake. I'd personally drop the nandralone, lower the test just a little, but would absolutely try the vitamin route before I introduced new medications that alter brain chemistry, at least for a couple weeks. It's looking like drugs aren't being friendly to him, I wouldn't introduce anything new right away. He needs a couple weeks to settle down. No offense, just my opinion.

 

[Jin23]

I would say B6 would be a great start, and adjusting the current intake. I'd personally drop the nandralone, lower the test just a little, but would absolutely try the vitamin route before I introduced new medications that alter brain chemistry, at least for a couple weeks. It's looking like drugs aren't being friendly to him, I wouldn't introduce anything new right away. He needs a couple weeks to settle down. No offense, just my opinion.

Non taken bro. But I'm interested what, besides prolactin control, would b6 actually do?

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

Idk b vitamins can increase or cause rapid heart rate in some which can create or worsen anxiety

 

[Drexyl]

Non taken bro. But I'm interested what, besides prolactin control, would b6 actually do?

That's pretty much it, B6 is very specific for controlling prolactin. Do a Google search, the NCBI has some awesome studies on it. As the post above/below this one says, he's correct, any B vitamin can cause a cardiac response, however if the dosage is low, and an individual responds well, it's a great option from caber. Caber is toxic. Keep in mind bioidentical and assimilated vitamins that are found in the foods we eat, but we take them at a higher dosage for specific reason. Sometimes it's best to back off from the drugs, the body needs rest and time.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Bro ... Ment and B6? Another 19nor, agonising the progesterone receptor even further (that's where most sides form 19nor's come) and b6? He is way past the level of vitamins doing anything that will even make a dent. Not that b6 isn't effective for prolactin ... But this is not his problem.

If he would like to keep the dosages, he'd need some strong stuff like; moderate dose ssri. Something to knock down the dopaminergic and noradrenergic tone by a mile and to calm down the amygdala. So definetly no snri's, nri's, mirtazapine's, even maoi's might be problematic and tetracyclic's that are heavy in increasing dopamine transmission are also not a good idea. He needs to seriously dampen down the "drive". So either ssri's or atypical antipsychotics at lower dosages. But imo, I'd still say it's best just to really lower the dosages so he can come to his senses. I mean, he is not a pro, no sponsors are counting on him to perform at this or that show or a foto shoot or whatever. It's a freakin hobby. Imagine your hobby of train model's collection ruining your life, having to move out of your house, etc.

Here's my thing: I think the knee jerk reaction that the medical establishment has in prescribing ssri's is very problematic. Many of these issues with depression are hormone related to begin with.

The last thing you want to do is start fucking with your serotonin reuptake. I truly believe it makes things worse in the long run.

 

[Drexyl]

Here's my thing: I think the knee jerk reaction that the medical establishment has in prescribing ssri's is very problematic. Many of these issues with depression are hormone related to begin with.

The last thing you want to do is start fucking with your serotonin reuptake. I truly believe it makes things worse in the long run.

I'm not going to divulge too much as I prefer yo stay anonymous, I was on other forums, and fuck one of those in particular. However, yes, I was a victim of unnecessary drugs, they did work at the time, but when it was time to pay the piper I almost paid with my life. Where I live the medical community has gotten away from painkillers, which is good, but now push SSRI drugs and benzos, which is very bad. It's just business though, for them. Push the pill of the week, then push another pill to fix you after the first one fucked you up. I'm surprised more doctors aren't getting attacked.

 

[theotherguy]

B6 is the winner in this card game, a physician will prescribe it to women who are encountering prolactin issues. Myself I find 300-400mg daily to be the sweet spot for me, but I'm conservative and run the same amount of deca or npp weekly. It's proven science with plenty of info to back it up, B6 is your friend while running any 19nor. Probably won't need caber, but again that's individual basis.

Bro ... Ment and B6? Another 19nor, agonising the progesterone receptor even further (that's where most sides form 19nor's come) and b6? He is way past the level of vitamins doing anything that will even make a dent. Not that b6 isn't effective for prolactin ... But this is not his problem.

If he would like to keep the dosages, he'd need some strong stuff like; moderate dose ssri. Something to knock down the dopaminergic and noradrenergic tone by a mile and to calm down the amygdala. So definetly no snri's, nri's, mirtazapine's, even maoi's might be problematic and tetracyclic's that are heavy in increasing dopamine transmission are also not a good idea. He needs to seriously dampen down the "drive". So either ssri's or atypical antipsychotics at lower dosages. But imo, I'd still say it's best just to really lower the dosages so he can come to his senses. I mean, he is not a pro, no sponsors are counting on him to perform at this or that show or a foto shoot or whatever. It's a freakin hobby. Imagine your hobby of train model's collection ruining your life, having to move out of your house, etc.

Hey guys, read again, I said B9, not B6.

And yes, MENT is known for creating great mental well-being, totally a shot in the dark here, but for some reason I’m thinking it’s method of action is similar to dbol.

Try it some time if you don’t believe me. Everyone I’ve ever spoken with about MENT says the same thing about mental well-being.

 

[lukiss96]

By the way getting completely off is arguably even worse, if by going off it's pct and not cruise/trt. The emotional rollercoaster you gonna experience will probably be worse. Cruising on true trt levels like 125-150mg will be much better. Also you can skip injections for a week or so to help you get your TT down quickly.

 

[Jabbathehutt]

Primo makes me feel like a god

 

[barbell001]

I would NEVER run Deca at double the level of Test. Deca can feel quite depressive and shitty in itself which is why I like NPP so much more. My rule of thumb is always run Test at double that of the 19nor then I feel fine, happy, energized etc. Even just try upping the Test to 800mg and see how you feel - 350mg sounds awful.

 

[HB_22]

Add some low dose Primo. It makes the difference for me. Especially with Nandrolone. For some even as low as 20 - 50mg of Primo a week can make such a huge impact on improving mental health. I would always start low and see how you react.

Dont listen to that SSRI advice, usually this type of medications makes it a lot worse and they always come with some really gnarly side effects even at low doses (like loss of libido, or not being able to get it hard, really sucks).

 

[Jin23]

Ssri's or antipsychotics are an option IF he decides to stay on cycle. Otherwise I explicitly said, don't pin for a while, untill his levels drop to trt, trt + levels and then stay there for a while until he comes to his senses. Fact is that constant androgen receptor and progesterone receptor activation is what's causing the problem, so adding more androgens is a stupid idea, no matter if somebody thinks this or that aas is a feel good hormone ...

SSRI's are very good at "dampening" the adrenergic drive that's making him sick. But they wont do much for the progestogenic effects of deca. An ssri would, however, make him more calm, less aggressive, etc. But as I said, only if he decides to stay on cycle, which I personally think is a bad idea; he is not a pro and why would a hobby be running somebody's life ... And that's just the effect of aas, you are so amped up, not thinking clearly and you just want to continue being this amped up, so it's hard letting go. But once you do drop dosages, you're like "phew, wtf was I thinking/doing". Ya'll know what I mean? So just going of the cycle, even if it feels wrong, you don't want to do it, is actually what you need to do, otherwise you're just an out of controll junkie : )

 

[TheBulkerOnTheRoof]

Appreciate the Input guys, seriously.

I've decided to drop the nandrolone completely, I wont be running a 19nor again. (Especially not a longer ester))
The last shot was on Friday.

I will continue my test @350wk for now.

I have masteron arriving on Tuesday from titan labs, im going to run this alongside the test for a few days and see how I feel. (Still undecided on dose)

If there's no improvement in mood il be dropping down to test @ 175mg/wk for the foreseeable future until I feel good again.

Anti depressants and prescription meds are the last thing I want to do, seen too many people I know addicted to all those things I'd rather try anything else first.

Also managed to speak to my misses last night and she kind of understands what's going on ive told her it shouldn't be too long until I'm back to normal.

Like I said appreciate the responses guys your all fucking heroes!

 

[Maximus014]

Gonna give it a shot, what dose do you notice it negates the nandrolone mental sides mate?

Start low I'd say 200mg per week if you're just going for side relief, this will probably help e2 to an extent as well which could be the source of your mental sides, have you had your e2 checked recently?

I start getting depressed when my e2 gets too high, I just picked up a bunch of dht derivatives myself as I ran tren recently for the last time and this time I mean it lol

 

[Maximus014]

Also have you looked into nootropics or certain types of mushrooms, I started adding lions mane into my shakes and taking subi greens (not a mushroom) but best tasting greens powdernive tried, and I feel a hell of a lot better

Shortly I will be trying microdose psilocybin aka magic mushrooms at a .25g dose daily as their is a lot of research being done

I'm.not a fan of anti depressants anti psychotics it's all doctors seem to.hand out these days, it's almost like they've switched from opiates to these fucking things

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

I would be doing micro dosing if the mushrooms didn't make me itch like crazy and gives me super sensitivity to touch. But starting on shrooms got me on a path to stuff that does work without all the "side effects "

 

[Maximus014]

I would be doing micro dosing if the mushrooms didn't make me itch like crazy and gives me super sensitivity to touch. But starting on shrooms got me on a path to stuff that does work without all the "side effects "

I haven't tried them yet, as I had a bad experience over doing it when I was younger, but that was different time.and purpose, if I get any weird effects I will.be going a different route for sure

 

[Jin23]

No, microdosing shrooms will add to "activation". Not what he needs. However, doing full on trips, that might get him out of the mindset he is in. But that takes some experience. If nobody wants to take meds and is more opened to alternatives, then I'd suggest ketamine.

And OP; why add masteron? That is one of the most anxiogenic compounds, you'll be more aggressive and anxious. Either your description in the OP wasn't as serious as you made it look out to be, or you are just plain stupid, sorry, don't want to be blunt, but srsly another aas? Mast? "Ruining my life", you said that ... Ok, I've said my peace. Good luck.

 

[Maximus014]

No, microdosing shrooms will add to "activation". Not what he needs. However, doing full on trips, that might get him out of the mindset he is in. But that takes some experience. If nobody wants to take meds and is more opened to alternatives, then I'd suggest ketamine.

And OP; why add masteron? That is one of the most anxiogenic compounds, you'll be more aggressive and anxious. Either your description in the OP wasn't as serious as you made it look out to be, or you are just plain stupid, sorry, don't want to be blunt, but srsly another aas? Mast? "Ruining my life", you said that ... Ok, I've said my peace. Good luck.

I'd be curious if backing of to a 200mg weekly dose of test, would be of benefit, getting bloods done and seeing where e2 and progesterone are at, some compounds just don't agree with certain people

And making sure my e2 is in optimal range helps a ton

I love my dht derivatives and deca is my all time favorite makes me feel on top of the world, but I can't take tren at any dose, last cycle I tried low test high tren and it was terrible, almost ruined my marriage, me and tren just don't work well together

I'm also major adhd so I tend to be affected by certain things differently, things that usually cause anxiety for people tend to calm me down,

I must have missed the "ruining my life" bit, if that's the case with the OP the best thing may be tapering down to trt dosage and getting to the root cause of your issues, at the very least go get your blood work done ask for vitamin panel, total and free test, e2, progesterone

I did the vitamin panel recently and found d out that I'm anemic, even though I eat plenty of red meat, eggs, chicken etc...

 

[HB_22]

Honest opinion: if youre struggling with mental health, I wouldnt even consider taking any drugs, psychodelics or whatever else. Get your mind clear first, get off the nandrolone if you have to, DHTs can stabilize but dont overdo them bc there is two sides to the coin.