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Steroids that have a positive effect on mental health!?

Cridi887 said:
I feel the same way as you but I'm running npp. I take aromasin every 3 days


Things make me happier, I feel happier than normal. And vice versa..
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Yeah bud the balance feels so much better now, its crazy.

The misses starting doing my nut in earlier about a load of useless bullshit and instead of having an argument I just went for a nice 3hr post work out nap, feels great
 
Palifter said:
Big fan of test + EQ + mast. I’m on that until like 8 weeks out from shows then EQ gets replaced by tren ace.

Lean gains, little sides, vascular af, good head space, great endurance/strength in gym. Can’t go wrong.
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I'm considering something like this for my next run over Christmas Into the early summer, was thinking something like: test350/wk eq500/wk and either mast or primo 200/wk.

@lukiss96

Does the eq affect your e2 in any way? either via bloods or negating any sides?

I'm now trying to find and dial in a blast that

a) I'm happy with gains wise,
b) I feel good with mentally,
c) can keep my e2 sides In check without the need for a constant ai eod,

Right now the first 2 boxes are checked, gains are good, mentality feels good, e2 sides are still there tho and I'm prob gonna have to up the aromasin from 25mg eod to 25mg ed as it's not really cutting it
 
TheBulkerOnTheRoof said:
I'm considering something like this for my next run over Christmas Into the early summer, was thinking something like: test350/wk eq500/wk and either mast or primo 200/wk.

@lukiss96

Does the eq affect your e2 in any way? either via bloods or negating any sides?

I'm now trying to find and dial in a blast that

a) I'm happy with gains wise,
b) I feel good with mentally,
c) can keep my e2 sides In check without the need for a constant ai eod,

Right now the first 2 boxes are checked, gains are good, mentality feels good, e2 sides are still there tho and I'm prob gonna have to up the aromasin from 25mg eod to 25mg ed as it's not really cutting it
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Eq anecdotally had an e2 lowering effect, which I didn't notice when I ran it with deca and test, masteron on the otherhand at 200mg per week has completely cleared up my gyno symptoms, waiting on my.lab results as last time they were checked e2 was high

Only thing to watch with eq is your hematocrit and hemoglobin, I'd give blood at least once during the cycle, keep an eye on blood pressure

I'm quickly becoming a big fan of masteron even at low doses because aromasin and adex make me feel like shit and crash my e2 hard even at low doses
 
TheBulkerOnTheRoof said:
Does the eq affect your e2 in any way? either via bloods or negating any sides?

I'm now trying to find and dial in a blast that

a) I'm happy with gains wise,
b) I feel good with mentally,
c) can keep my e2 sides In check without the need for a constant ai eod,

Right now the first 2 boxes are checked, gains are good, mentality feels good, e2 sides are still there tho and I'm prob gonna have to up the aromasin from 25mg eod to 25mg ed as it's not really cutting it
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No, for me the equipoise is neutral when it comes to estrogen. I'm sensitive to estrogen and it doesn't change that in any way. I don't understand how others are getting this anti estrogenic effects from equipoise. No need to quote me on that showing me how it's possible, I know it is for some but not me.

However, when I take dht's and I'm talking about winstrol or anavar, as to me and my goals primobolan or masteron is pointless. I experience less high estrogen symptoms even when taking high amounts of testosterone. I have posted that dht's work as antagonists for estrogen.

In my opinion you change too much too soon. Stick to one thing at the time, I'd cruise for some time in your case given what you went through judging from your recent posts. Don't think that 200mg of testosterone can't hold what you currently have, if you're not bigger than me then you don't need that much.
 
Maximus014 said:
Eq anecdotally had an e2 lowering effect, which I didn't notice when I ran it with deca and test, masteron on the otherhand at 200mg per week has completely cleared up my gyno symptoms, waiting on my.lab results as last time they were checked e2 was high

Only thing to watch with eq is your hematocrit and hemoglobin, I'd give blood at least once during the cycle, keep an eye on blood pressure

I'm quickly becoming a big fan of masteron even at low doses because aromasin and adex make me feel like shit and crash my e2 hard even at low doses
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This is the same reason I want to try and dial in a protocol I'm happy with that doesn't require much if any ai, im only around 3 wks into the mast so another 3 wks until saturation, then il see how e2 sides feel and have bloods taken regardless.
 
lukiss96 said:
No, for me the equipoise is neutral when it comes to estrogen. I'm sensitive to estrogen and it doesn't change that in any way. I don't understand how others are getting this anti estrogenic effects from equipoise. No need to quote me on that showing me how it's possible, I know it is for some but not me.

However, when I take dht's and I'm talking about winstrol or anavar, as to me and my goals primobolan or masteron is pointless. I experience less high estrogen symptoms even when taking high amounts of testosterone. I have posted that dht's work as antagonists for estrogen.

In my opinion you change too much too soon. Stick to one thing at the time, I'd cruise for some time in your case given what you went through judging from your recent posts. Don't think that 200mg of testosterone can't hold what you currently have, if you're not bigger than me then you don't need that much.
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I hear what your saying and I do plan to cruise at around 175mg and have bloods taken again once I finish this protocol in around 9wks.

I do believe all I just went through was mainly down to the high nandrolone dosage and lack of a dht, the difference has been night and day.

I was going to drop the deca completely but the gains I've seen in the past few weeks have been crazy since adding the masteron and halving the deca. Crazy amount of drive.

I probably won't run nandrolone again especially long ester so looking for an alternative, eq seems appealing, I like the vascularity and leaner gains I hear many speak of, also the higher available mg/ml of eq appeals as I prefer to keep my shots to 2x weekly @1.5ml.

2ml max but not for extended periods.

The fact I've heard others speak of it lowering e2 would be a massive bonus if I was one of those responders as I've battled high e2 conversion for years.
 
@Maximus014 yes, we're all different especially when it comes to hormones. Equipoise for me works faster than usual and it suppresses my appetite. Doesn't increase hematocrit, hemoglobin and rbc.

@TheBulkerOnTheRoof you hear them say that 600-800mg is the minimum, yes sure, most of them like I said are not on the level to take total 600mg of anabolics let alone stack equipoise on top of testosterone. Who are they to set the standards. Ironically it's usually the smallest guys taking the most steroids.

I'm not about to rant, however, I will say this. I have regained somewhat of my former size. I'm now 233 pounds (107kg) at perhaps real 14% bf.

All I did is increased increased my testosterone to 250mg and added in equipoise at 300mg per week. Today benched 360 x6. Sure muscle memory is factor here, but the cosmetic effect is there. There is no pump in my pic.

More is not always better. It's all about the balance.
 
lukiss96 said:
@Maximus014 yes, we're all different especially when it comes to hormones. Equipoise for me works faster than usual and it suppresses my appetite. Doesn't increase hematocrit, hemoglobin and rbc.

@TheBulkerOnTheRoof you hear them say that 600-800mg is the minimum, yes sure, most of them like I said are not on the level to take total 600mg of anabolics let alone stack equipoise on top of testosterone. Who are they to set the standards. Ironically it's usually the smallest guys taking the most steroids.

I'm not about to rant, however, I will say this. I have regained somewhat of my former size. I'm now 233 pounds (107kg) at perhaps real 14% bf.

All I did is increased increased my testosterone to 250mg and added in equipoise at 300mg per week. Today benched 360 x6. Sure muscle memory is factor here, but the cosmetic effect is there. There is no pump in my pic.

More is not always better. It's all about the balance.
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Yes for sure we do all react differently, eq for me I can eat like a horse and eat again an hour later, but it's not anything a little will power won't get rid of, but if you fall into that category and have trouble eating it could be a huge benefit, but it could be that I already have a big appetite so it just amplifies it, that's my theory which could be completely wrong as I don't know the exact mechanism in which it increases hunger for some

It's like orals most people anadrol kills appetite for me it doesn't change either way, tren fucks my appetite a bit because of heartburn same with dbol, it doesn't get rid of my appetite, but the heartburn makes me not want to eat, although dbol doesn't do it to me in low doses and I dont usually run orals very high generally

Muscle.memory had been kicking in for me, but my strength is nowhere near pre covid, but still climbing slowly even on keto, my squat took the biggest hit down from 550 1rm and now back up to maybe 400 1rm haven't really tested but that's my estimate, nothing spectacular, but I'm also not trying to push to quickly and risk injury afyer being off for so long
 
lukiss96 said:
@Maximus014 yes, we're all different especially when it comes to hormones. Equipoise for me works faster than usual and it suppresses my appetite. Doesn't increase hematocrit, hemoglobin and rbc.

@TheBulkerOnTheRoof you hear them say that 600-800mg is the minimum, yes sure, most of them like I said are not on the level to take total 600mg of anabolics let alone stack equipoise on top of testosterone. Who are they to set the standards. Ironically it's usually the smallest guys taking the most steroids.

I'm not about to rant, however, I will say this. I have regained somewhat of my former size. I'm now 233 pounds (107kg) at perhaps real 14% bf.

All I did is increased increased my testosterone to 250mg and added in equipoise at 300mg per week. Today benched 360 x6. Sure muscle memory is factor here, but the cosmetic effect is there. There is no pump in my pic.

More is not always better. It's all about the balance.
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I must admit it will be quite interesting to see just how much I can maintain or even better gain while cruising along @175mg/wk, maybe that will change my perspective completely.
 
TheBulkerOnTheRoof said:
I must admit it will be quite interesting to see just how much I can maintain or even better gain while cruising along @175mg/wk, maybe that will change my perspective completely.
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Bingo, mentally life has been good ever since I went on relatively low dose gear. I never did nandro, but 600 mg of anything screams out aggression to me.

SSRIs after a good amount of time (at least 2 months) will do it's job in making you happy and less worried. That comes at a cost of getting fat and losing your sex drive. Also, when I came off SSRIs, it was like Price Phillip kissed me (sleeping beauty reference). It's like the good parts of my original personality came back.

All of a sudden my sex drive came back. Then I added a little tren to the stack. And I was basically making holes in trees with my dick like a woodpecker... The end.

Sleeping Beauty Aurora GIF


 
TheBulkerOnTheRoof said:
I must admit it will be quite interesting to see just how much I can maintain or even better gain while cruising along @175mg/wk, maybe that will change my perspective completely.
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May I ask for your stats? I'm not gonna ask for pictures, but feel free if you want to. But give a bit more details and also your strength numbers on compound exercises would be helpful.

For example, last time I managed to maintain 222lbs 12-13% body fat on 150mg sustanon, my height is almost 6'2. Bench press and squat slowly went down overtime, but I still managed to bench 400lbs on that on a good day and squat 506. It's in kilos so a bit cumbersome to convert, I just add or take away, but no more than couple pounds. 1kg = 2.2 pounds.

I cruised for 19 months to be exact, I think anyone can agree that it's quite a bit of time to establish/determine what can be maintained for longer periods of time.
 
lukiss96 said:
May I ask for your stats? I'm not gonna ask for pictures, but feel free if you want to. But give a bit more details and also your strength numbers on compound exercises would be helpful.

For example, last time I managed to maintain 222lbs 12-13% body fat on 150mg sustanon, my height is almost 6'2. Bench press and squat slowly went down overtime, but I still managed to bench 400lbs on that on a good day and squat 506. It's in kilos so a bit cumbersome to convert, I just add or take away, but no more than couple pounds. 1kg = 2.2 pounds.

I cruised for 19 months to be exact, I think anyone can agree that it's quite a bit of time to establish/determine what can be maintained for longer periods of time.
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Why. Cruise for that long period of time. Just wondering?
 
Cridi887 said:
Why. Cruise for that long period of time. Just wondering?
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1) I got tired of walking sub 250 pounds, eating all the food, pushing that much weight on bar. It's fun at first, but day to day life it becomes tiresome after a while.

Even minor things that nobody thinks about like climbing the stairs to 8th floor, while carrying stuff too. Lower back pumps tying up the shoes or doing some monotonous activity like chopping wood. Sweating way more during hot summer days.

Out of breath from walking fast. Talk about running, which I also had to do, I still managed to run 2 miles in 14 minutes, but the after effect was me laying on grass, because I couldn't stand from pumped and sore calves.

I go in to more detail here post #304.


2) I got handed the opportunity to spice and level up my profession. Being this heavy would be quite difficult to do stunts and athletic stuff, while also swimming (crazy pumps again). Also I got in to acting somewhat at that time and I had to downsize for certain situations.

So it's only natural that I needed to become more like athlete than bodybuilder.

3) I took of course more steroids to be that size, mostly testosterone. I started to worry about my health long term even if on paper (blood work) said everything is fine and ekg and other tests I must do every 6 months showed all good to my surprise. But still, some unsettling feeling was inside me from time to time.

4) I mentioned how long I cruised to show what can be maintained over longer periods of time, if you are serious about your fitness and diet regime of course. So people can stop worrying about holding their mass over longer periods of time on "such a little" testosterone dose.
 
lukiss96 said:
1) I got tired of walking sub 250 pounds, eating all the food, pushing that much weight on bar. It's fun at first, but day to day life it becomes tiresome after a while.

Even minor things that nobody thinks about like climbing the stairs to 8th floor, while carrying stuff too. Lower back pumps tying up the shoes or doing some monotonous activity like chopping wood. Sweating way more during hot summer days.

Out of breath from walking fast. Talk about running, which I also had to do, I still managed to run 2 miles in 14 minutes, but the after effect was me laying on grass, because I couldn't stand from pumped and sore calves.

I go in to more detail here post #304.


2) I got handed the opportunity to spice and level up my profession. Being this heavy would be quite difficult to do stunts and athletic stuff, while also swimming (crazy pumps again). Also I got in to acting somewhat at that time and I had to downsize for certain situations.

So it's only natural that I needed to become more like athlete than bodybuilder.

3) I took of course more steroids to be that size, mostly testosterone. I started to worry about my health long term even if on paper (blood work) said everything is fine and ekg and other tests I must do every 6 months showed all good to my surprise. But still, some unsettling feeling was inside me from time to time.

4) I mentioned how long I cruised to show what can be maintained over longer periods of time, if you are serious about your fitness and diet regime of course. So people can stop worrying about holding their mass over longer periods of time on "such a little" testosterone dose.
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I definitely know that feeling, achy joints bloodpressure, nosebleeds, going beat red tying your shoes

My whole training and cycling and eating was in pursuit of a number, and while it was fun at times, like you said it's tiring
 
Maximus014 said:
I definitely know that feeling, achy joints bloodpressure, nosebleeds, going beat red tying your shoes

My whole training and cycling and eating was in pursuit of a number, and while it was fun at times, like you said it's tiring
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Exactly, since you're cutting now you will definitely feel better and the best bf for most people is 14-15% like I'm currently holding.

Don't want to hog the thread and go too personal as some people just get butt hurt lol... I love communicating and talking, especially with those who share similar or same lifestyle and people with interesting and different experience like you for example being a powerlifter :) it's always interesting to talk. I'm social creature what can I do :D

While those same people usually have nothing to say or contribute otherwise, but they prefer silence and get offended easily.
 
lukiss96 said:
May I ask for your stats? I'm not gonna ask for pictures, but feel free if you want to. But give a bit more details and also your strength numbers on compound exercises would be helpful.

For example, last time I managed to maintain 222lbs 12-13% body fat on 150mg sustanon, my height is almost 6'2. Bench press and squat slowly went down overtime, but I still managed to bench 400lbs on that on a good day and squat 506. It's in kilos so a bit cumbersome to convert, I just add or take away, but no more than couple pounds. 1kg = 2.2 pounds.

I cruised for 19 months to be exact, I think anyone can agree that it's quite a bit of time to establish/determine what can be maintained for longer periods of time.
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I'm a little guy compare to most here.

34
5'9
85kg at a guess
Bf maybe around 15%

I was upto 94kg in January and bf had shot up to 19%

Been on a recomp since then so it's hard to tell my weight with the muscle I've gained and fat I've lost, il need to check this week, ive been training at home these past months so haven't been around the gym. Need to buy decent home scales.

Like I mentioned I'm a smaller guy and by no means class myself as strong.

Bench 120kg
Squat 140kg
Dead 180kg

These were a while ago, I train at home now focused on hypertrophy and hiit with dumbbells, kettlebells and bodyweight so haven't hit any of the main lifts in quite some time.

Maximus014 said:
You should be able to.hold on to most with that dosage, if your diet is good, you may not have the same look, but you can definitely progress
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It's eating in a surplus but also keeping it clean that gets me, I struggle to hit the macros keeping it totally clean so end up throwing some filth in there to up the kcal's
 
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