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[Deleted member 123722]

How do you test that hypothesis (that other minds exist)? Using your senses? How do you ever get outside your sense experience to test it?

In other words, it's solipsistic.

No. Because if you look into the work of Benardo Kastrup, he posits MAL (Mind at Large) aka GOD, is a universal mind or consciousness, which has undergone several dissaossiative states, creating all other minds, known as called "alters," which is what happens when a single mind has multiple personalities. And those other minds are literally different from one another: they know the other ones exist, but do not know what they know, becuse they are literally unique, despite being born from the same mind.

What's even more interesting, an "alter" that claims to be blind, will actually be unable to see, when that personality is in charge of the person; they will have different heart rates, so on and so forth...So the senses of that person, which are function normally, will not function at all, as that alter's part of the brain will literally be shut off.

Bernardo rejects solipsism for these reasons, because other minds can exist, whether you sense them or not, does not mean they do not exist.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

No. Because if you look into the work of Benardo Kastrup, he posits MAL (Mind at Large) aka GOD, is a universal mind or consciousness, which has undergone several dissaossiative states, creating all other minds, known as called "alters," which is what happens when a single mind has multiple personalities. And those other minds are literally different from one another: they know the other ones exist, but do not know what they know, becuse they are literally unique, despite being born from the same mind.

What's even more interesting, an "alter" that claims to be blind, will actually be unable to see, when that personality is in charge of the person; they will have different heart rates, so on and so forth...So the senses of that person, which are function normally, will not function at all, as that alter's part of the brain will literally be shut off.

Bernardo rejects solipsism for these reasons, because other minds can exist, whether you sense them or not, does not mean they do

 

[Deleted member 123722]

@TrenTrenTren Whenever you get time, check out these lectures on "Analytical Idealism."


View: https://youtu.be/hDbCTxm6_Ps

 

[1tank1]

Haha...no...it's one of the problems of empiricism. It's well known, you can read about it.

Thanks for the suggestion but I will respectfully "pass" on your advice to read about , or become, divergent due to using mind altering substances.

I fucked my own head with drugs when I was young bro and don't need to make it worse now....

 

[Jin23]

Think about this. If the only thing that is "real" is experience, then how can one ever know what's "real"?

If you test your experience by using your senses, then how do you ever get outside of your senses to test your senses, to see if they are accurate? This is one of the problems of empiricism. You can never get outside of your senses. It leads to solipsism.

Exactly. It's all in the observer. And empiricism is one of the most flawed ideologies, naming it self as the ultimate truth. It just leads to 50yo's behaving like teenagers with inflated ego. One of the many plagues of human existence in the modern world. I cringe so hard, every time I hear Andrew Huberman talk about ketamine.

I'm surprised these words came out of your mouth tren3. Reading all your red pill bs, I didn't think you had something like this in you.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Exactly. It's all in the observer. And empiricism is one of the most flawed ideologies, naming it self as the ultimate truth. It just leads to 50yo's behaving like teenagers with inflated ego. One of the many plagues of human existence in the modern world. I cringe so hard, every time I hear Andrew Huberman talk about ketamine.

I'm surprised these words came out of your mouth tren3. Reading all your red pill bs, I didn't think you had something like this in you.

I was a poly sci major, but I took all the philosophy and ethics classes I could as an undergrad haha

 

[TrenTrenTren]

No. Because if you look into the work of Benardo Kastrup, he posits MAL (Mind at Large) aka GOD, is a universal mind or consciousness, which has undergone several dissaossiative states, creating all other minds, known as called "alters," which is what happens when a single mind has multiple personalities. And those other minds are literally different from one another: they know the other ones exist, but do not know what they know, becuse they are literally unique, despite being born from the same mind.

What's even more interesting, an "alter" that claims to be blind, will actually be unable to see, when that personality is in charge of the person; they will have different heart rates, so on and so forth...So the senses of that person, which are function normally, will not function at all, as that alter's part of the brain will literally be shut off.

Bernardo rejects solipsism for these reasons, because other minds can exist, whether you sense them or not, does not mean they do not exist.

If I understand what you're saying, I do believe that an Eternal Mind is the answer to the problem of empiricism. Now you're going down a path of religion, or at the very least, positing the existence of God. And I don't disagree with that. But I'm sure many here would.

Other minds do exist, but that can't be proven by mere empirical observation, because there's no way to prove that you aren't simply imagining that other minds exist in your experience.

I would say that certain things have to be presupposed in order to make sense of experience, and one of those things is an Eternal Mind, or God.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

If I understand what you're saying, I do believe that an Eternal Mind is the answer to the problem of empiricism. Now you're going down a path of religion, or at the very least, positing the existence of God. And I don't disagree with that. But I'm sure many here would.

Other minds do exist, but that can't be proven by mere empirical observation, because there's no way to prove that you aren't simply imagining that other minds exist in your experience.

I would say that certain things have to be presupposed in order to make sense of experience, and one of those things is an Eternal Mind, or God.

God is a loaded word, but in this sense, God is just simply the fundamental consciousness that is whatever all this shit actually is... I don't think God is a personal being, that has anger issues or rules; it just is what reality is, and it has infinite potential to change and become all forms. Of course mankind personifies these things, and made God some being like them, but I don't believe this is that case at all; in fact, quite the opposite.

 

[Jin23]

God is a loaded word, but in this sense, God is just simply the fundamental consciousness that is whatever all this shit actually is... I don't think God is a personal being, that has anger issues or rules; it just is what reality is, and it has infinite potential to change and become all forms. Of course mankind personifies these things, and made God some being like them, but I don't believe this is that case at all; in fact, quite the opposite.

Yeah, if there is one thing most psychonauts come to agree is that it's all just "the universe experiencing it self". As "god" is not a subject, he doesn't know how it is to be us, to see and feel the world as every living thing does in all his intricate ways that are beholden to him and him alone.

We often get lost in our ego personas, what ever they might be (big and muscular, intellectual, fast or slow thinking, emotional, business man, artis, etc.), but they are just that, specific subjective viewpoints, creating energy by defining, or better saying; creating reality with their subject.

It's at this specific point where I cringe when some ego puts him self over some other ego, deeming it inferior to him, for instance; red pill male ideology.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Yeah, if there is one thing most psychonauts come to agree is that it's all just "the universe experiencing it self". As "god" is not a subject, he doesn't know how it is to be us, to see and feel the world as every living thing does in all his intricate ways that are beholden to him and him alone.

We often get lost in our ego personas, what ever they might be (big and muscular, intellectual, fast or slow thinking, emotional, business man, artis, etc.), but they are just that, specific subjective viewpoints, creating energy by defining, or better saying; creating reality with their subject.

It's at this specific point where I cringe when some ego puts him self over some other ego, deeming it inferior to him, for instance; red pill male ideology.

even the "enlightened" can have egos; as Alan Watts would say: "they engage in a spiritual one-upmanship."

 

[TrenTrenTren]

God is a loaded word, but in this sense, God is just simply the fundamental consciousness that is whatever all this shit actually is... I don't think God is a personal being, that has anger issues or rules; it just is what reality is, and it has infinite potential to change and become all forms. Of course mankind personifies these things, and made God some being like them, but I don't believe this is that case at all; in fact, quite the opposite.

A mind has to be personal. An impersonal mind can't exist.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

A mind has to be personal. An impersonal mind can't exist.

Why not?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Why not?

A mind ascertains it's own existence. This implies personhood. If a mind isn't self aware, then it isn't a mind.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

A mind ascertains it's own existence. This implies personhood. If a mind isn't self aware, then it isn't a mind.

But you are personifying a mind by human measures; this MAL (mind at large) would literally be everything, having no boundaries or locus in which would distinguish it as a centralized person. Mind in this sense we are using synonymous with consciousness. Think of this MAL as a giant ocean, and all these other minds as whirlpools that develop within it....we are these individual whirlpools, but MAL (God) is the ocean; it isn't personal, rather, it is the substrate which makes all personal beings possible.

 

[BawlsDeep]

If a mind isn't self aware, then it isn't a mind.

This confirms my theory: steven segal has no mind.

 

[Rickt]

lol... I know man, I hate the carpet wrinkles, too, but I don't have thousands to spend on getting a new one right now.

20 bucks you can hire a kicker and stretch it back onto the smoothedge. Then use a utitity knife to cut off the excess use a bolster to push the carper back between the wall and smoothedge. All up 10 minutes.
Or fuck it and just get high and surf the waves.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

20 bucks you can hire a kicker and stretch it back onto the smoothedge. Then use a utitity knife to cut off the excess use a bolster to push the carper back between the wall and smoothedge. All up 10 minutes.
Or fuck it and just get high and surf the waves.

I asked Lowes id they do carpet repair, and they don't. I'll have to find someone who won't rape me on the price; all of my carpet is wrinkled.

 

[Rickt]

I asked Lowes id they do carpet repair, and they don't. I'll have to find someone who won't rape me on the price; all of my carpet is wrinkled.

Ok. If you dont want to do it yourself go to your local (small carpet shop) mum and dad type. Suggest you will leave a 6 pack of beer in each room if they know a layer who drinks and wants to restreach carpet.

 

[hudson98]

you know your around a bunch of hippies and druggies when people start talking about spirituality, altering their mind, traveling in time, all that bullshit. for fucks sake people have too much time on their hands. I have about as much use for spirituality as I do with a gay male escort.

 

[Rickt]

you know your around a bunch of hippies and druggies when people start talking about spirituality, altering their mind, traveling in time, all that bullshit. for fucks sake people have too much time on their hands. I have about as much use for spirituality as I do with a gay male escort.

Tempting to say something on that last bit man. But there are enough people twisting what is being said. So respectfully i will say nothing except you are correct. at least no one has turned this into another dick chat post.
Well not yet. Hope lukiss doesnt read your post. Or were you baiting him? If so he wont be able to help himself.