Ketamine?

[Deleted member 123722]

Imagine if we lived in a society where shrooms are just as normal to take then alcohol.

Also, it's very nice of you of trying to convince some random stranger on the internet but remember, what you're doing is also you're ego's desire for validation of your own ideologies and world views.

Of course, the ego is inescapable in the sense that it is our character in this game.

 

[hudson98]

For nerds? You strike me as a guy who doesn't reflect much on his own worldview very often.

I'm not pro prison. I am pro restitution. I believe that theft should be punished by forced restitution of what was stolen. That is a true deterrent. Not prison.

I certainly believe that we have a for-profit prison industrial complex in this country where the most people who are in prison brings the most profits. Its sickening. The drug war for example has destroyed countless lives by locking people in cages for non violent crimes.

"locking people in cages" good god, are you a liberal? LOL when I hear people be all dramatic. Send them to jail is the term.

When someone punches someone in the face do you say "when someone forcefully jams their fist into the head of another shattering bones and rattling the brain"

Ive never met a person who was worth a damn who went to prison. The war on drugs got. alot of inner city thugs off the streets. if the inmates are such great angels who just need a helping hand, go work as a prison guard. Open up the cell walk in and council them without your weapon. You'll be lucky if they don't slit your throat. Leftists say "oh Norway Norway has better prisons" they don't have bloods and crips and MS13. The reason we have so many in prison is because we have so many scumbags. Look at crime stats, Chicago for example is a killing ground. I guess all these people shooting people, this was their first offense. Lock the thugs up early when they deal and steal they don't get to go around shooting people.

The other point of view which makes sense, darwinism. Let the inner cities have their drugs, guns, don't police them, it'll be like a self cleaning oven the thugs will take out the other thugs.

Restitution. So if a thug rapes a girl how much does he owe her to make it right? If you rob someone and pistol whip them and break a few bones, whats the price per bone the thug pays?

 

[hudson98]

I'm all for the death penalty for certain crimes, such as rape, murder, pedophilia, and treason.

There is nothing "nerdy" about having a higher intelligence than most apes on this planet, who don't even know why they do what they are doing, or why they should or shouldn't do something. You can't possibly believe a man who is physically alpha and mentally alpha, is some nerdy faggot lol. Btw, you have to thank all the nerds for the wonderful advances in technology that you enjoy everyday; they didn't come from the brute low-IQ sports athletes are "stars" on the big screen.

The reason a small elite gang of parasites can literally take over the planet with their media and banking, is precisely because they have convinced most people to be consumers and think nothing more than their own pleasures. Having everyone think that, the collective is easily divided and easily manipulated and controlled.

The only way to defeat them is to get people off their "high" from these things; showing them no amount of consumption will bring them happiness, and in fact, will destroy them.

I tried to teach people politically about the truths and facts of this world, but again, people are so ape-like and tribal, they are easily divided by the dog and pony show of politics; blaming the other side as if their side is not also part of the scheme.

So I realize the only way to defeat the common enemy, is to show people to let go of their ego and free themeselves from the machinations of the Parasite Class.

SO this isn't just about "muh mental trips" this is about literally freeing ourselves from a mental prison constructed by the most egotistical fucks on earth.

Some of the stuff you say makes sense as in the politicians are evil and should he hung.

But "higher intelligence",,,you associate with druggies? Because you read and parrot philosophy that makes you more intelligent? Do you think druggies score on average higher on IQ tests? Do they have more success In making money? If you took an IQ test then got into drugs and philosophy and all this consciousness shit, would you come out with a higher one>

Its literally no different than a religion. You don't have to think about the unconcious mind and do drugs and trip to know that marxism Is taking over the world.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

"locking people in cages" good god, are you a liberal? LOL when I hear people be all dramatic. Send them to jail is the term.

When someone punches someone in the face do you say "when someone forcefully jams their fist into the head of another shattering bones and rattling the brain"

Ive never met a person who was worth a damn who went to prison. The war on drugs got. alot of inner city thugs off the streets. if the inmates are such great angels who just need a helping hand, go work as a prison guard. Open up the cell walk in and council them without your weapon. You'll be lucky if they don't slit your throat. Leftists say "oh Norway Norway has better prisons" they don't have bloods and crips and MS13. The reason we have so many in prison is because we have so many scumbags. Look at crime stats, Chicago for example is a killing ground. I guess all these people shooting people, this was their first offense. Lock the thugs up early when they deal and steal they don't get to go around shooting people.

The other point of view which makes sense, darwinism. Let the inner cities have their drugs, guns, don't police them, it'll be like a self cleaning oven the thugs will take out the other thugs.

Restitution. So if a thug rapes a girl how much does he owe her to make it right? If you rob someone and pistol whip them and break a few bones, whats the price per bone the thug pays?

Wow. So you're a dumb piece of shit?

How many years do you think you should be locked in a cage for your steroid use?

What about your marijuana use?

Because I can go down the list of thousands of good, non violent people who've lost decades of their life doing those two things.

People like you are the problem in this country.

 

[MFAAS]

"locking people in cages" good god, are you a liberal? LOL when I hear people be all dramatic. Send them to jail is the term.

When someone punches someone in the face do you say "when someone forcefully jams their fist into the head of another shattering bones and rattling the brain"

Ive never met a person who was worth a damn who went to prison. The war on drugs got. alot of inner city thugs off the streets. if the inmates are such great angels who just need a helping hand, go work as a prison guard. Open up the cell walk in and council them without your weapon. You'll be lucky if they don't slit your throat. Leftists say "oh Norway Norway has better prisons" they don't have bloods and crips and MS13. The reason we have so many in prison is because we have so many scumbags. Look at crime stats, Chicago for example is a killing ground. I guess all these people shooting people, this was their first offense. Lock the thugs up early when they deal and steal they don't get to go around shooting people.

The other point of view which makes sense, darwinism. Let the inner cities have their drugs, guns, don't police them, it'll be like a self cleaning oven the thugs will take out the other thugs.

Restitution. So if a thug rapes a girl how much does he owe her to make it right? If you rob someone and pistol whip them and break a few bones, whats the price per bone the thug pays?

Dude what is with you? You are making such massive leaps and assumptions. Nobody said we should try to reform rapists. Nobody said we need to rephrase the term "punch in the face".

I honestly can't figure out what you are trying to add to this discussion. You seem to just be trolling. The only other option isbthay you are so insanely judgemental and quite frankly stupid, that any discussion of IDEAS makes you angry because you cannot grasp the complexity of what's being said. You would rather gossip and talk about people and things than have to confront your own self and consider explanations for psychological phenomenon, the physics and metaphysics of time and reality, or consciousness or the conscience.

I am ignoring you. I know you don't care but I am just letting others know @Jin23 @falseprophet09 @TrenTrenTren

This guy is completely deraipingba very interesting and engaging conversation with his need to be a total fucking bridge troll.

"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."

Obviously we all do each of those at different times and circumstances, but overall which would you rrather be? I just can't contemplate being such an asshole that I feel the need to insult and crash a pleasant and engaged conversation about tconsciousness and the ego and life. It really is pathetic, IMO. Thus, ignored. We can continue this discussion without engaging the troll. In fact, I would prefer it, personally. Y'all can make your own choices. We do have free will after all...or do we?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Dude what is with you? You are making such massive leaps and assumptions. Nobody said we should try to reform rapists. Nobody said we need to rephrase the term "punch in the face".

I honestly can't figure out what you are trying to add to this discussion. You seem to just be trolling. The only other option isbthay you are so insanely judgemental and quite frankly stupid, that any discussion of IDEAS makes you angry because you cannot grasp the complexity of what's being said. You would rather gossip and talk about people and things than have to confront your own self and consider explanations for psychological phenomenon, the physics and metaphysics of time and reality, or consciousness or the conscience.

I am ignoring you. I know you don't care but I am just letting others know @Jin23 @falseprophet09 @TrenTrenTren

This guy is completely deraipingba very interesting and engaging conversation with his need to be a total fucking bridge troll.

"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."

Obviously we all do each of those at different times and circumstances, but overall which would you rrather be? I just can't contemplate being such an asshole that I feel the need to insult and crash a pleasant and engaged conversation about tconsciousness and the ego and life. It really is pathetic, IMO. Thus, ignored. We can continue this discussion without engaging the troll. In fact, I would prefer it, personally. Y'all can make your own choices. We do have free will after all...or do we?

I don't think we have free will at all... Many times in my life I reflect on the person I used to be, and the "choices" I made, and it was like someone else was operating this body, and that's precisely what it was.

I think what we do have is the ability to learn, and once we learn and believe something, all actions and choices are determined to follow those certain parameters, along with the situation we are in.

We can't make a mistake on purpose, nor do any of us purposely choose the worst choice, so we are always making what we think is the best possible choice based on the information we have or situation we are in, and we have no other choice to do so.

And every choice we make, is determined on prior things; even every through is linked to another thought or stimulus, chained in an infinite regress; and let's not forget the subconscious, which drives almost everything.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I don't think we have free will at all... Many times in my life I reflect on the person I used to be, and the "choices" I made, and it was like someone else was operating this body, and that's precisely what it was.

I think what we do have is the ability to learn, and once we learn and believe something, all actions and choices are determined to follow those certain parameters, along with the situation we are in.

We can't make a mistake on purpose, nor do any of us purposely choose the worst choice, so we are always making what we think is the best possible choice based on the information we have or situation we are in, and we have no other choice to do so.

And every choice we make, is determined on prior things; even every through is linked to another thought or stimulus, chained in an infinite regress; and let's not forget the subconscious, which drives almost everything.

I agree. There is no such thing as free will. Whether it's divine determination, or something as simple as biochemical processes. Determinism is an inescapable concept.

 

[hudson98]

Wow. So you're a dumb piece of shit?

How many years do you think you should be locked in a cage for your steroid use?

What about your marijuana use?

Because I can go down the list of thousands of good, non violent people who've lost decades of their life doing those two things.

People like you are the problem in this country.

staying out of jail Is so hard.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

staying out of jail Is so hard.

It is hard.... especially for poor black kids who got caught with something as silly as weed and don't have money for good representation.

I used to be a really hardcore conservative like you, but I started to understand liberty and freedom, and I began to see how conservatives were just as tyrannical as those no-good liberals. Two sides of the same tyrannical coin.

 

[hudson98]

It is hard.... especially for poor black kids who got caught with something as silly as weed and don't have money for good representation.

I used to be a really hardcore conservative like you, but I started to understand liberty and freedom, and I began to see how conservatives were just as tyrannical as those no-good liberals. Two sides of the same tyrannical coin.

I am conservative in the sense I will call 2 men kissing gross, I will call a man turning into a woman a freak, and I am against entitlement and welfare leaches. but I am for liberty, aka against these idiotic vaccines, lockdowns, lack of freedom of speech. I would love to see the day the government burns and goes to hell.

but there are basic things a society needs, example a police force. idiots like mike brown and George Floyd should not be on the street. thugs, gangsters, ms13 who chop off heads, these people are a menace to society and should be killed or locked up.

you act like the majority of people in jail are there because they got caught smoking a joiint, this is utter nonsense, the vast majority of people in jail are repeat offenders who have fucked up time and time again. the reason we lock up drug addicts, they keep committing crime. cops don't walk up on them smocking a joint and haul them off the jail for 10 years.

fuck some loud mouth idiot was selling juice at the gym, loud dumb motherfucker hooking people up with gear and got busted a the dealer did no time.

this false narrative that cops are banging down doors pointing guns at kids for smoking a bowle and hauling them off to jail is the premise of your argument, and its bullshit

 

[MFAAS]

I don't think we have free will at all... Many times in my life I reflect on the person I used to be, and the "choices" I made, and it was like someone else was operating this body, and that's precisely what it was.

I think what we do have is the ability to learn, and once we learn and believe something, all actions and choices are determined to follow those certain parameters, along with the situation we are in.

We can't make a mistake on purpose, nor do any of us purposely choose the worst choice, so we are always making what we think is the best possible choice based on the information we have or situation we are in, and we have no other choice to do so.

And every choice we make, is determined on prior things; even every through is linked to another thought or stimulus, chained in an infinite regress; and let's not forget the subconscious, which drives almost everything.

I agree. There is no such thing as free will. Whether it's divine determination, or something as simple as biochemical processes. Determinism is an inescapable concept.

Damn yall surprised me here!

In my mind we have free will. I can choose to use drugs or not. I can choose to search for a new job if I want. We are certainlycompelled by our basal instinct and subconscious...but just as in the previousbpost where we decide that we are not our ego, but rather we control our ego, we also can overcome our subconscious and basal instincts and act in a way that opposes both of them if we so choose. Now I will say I think the basy majority of people do NOT do this in the vast majority of situations. Just as most people let their ego control them, too. But there are times where we can overcome it and make truly exceptional choices. Do you disagree? I am curious.

It certainly FEELZ like those exceptional choices are made with free will. Perhaps they are just the culmination kf everything thay came before them. Or perhaps time forks off every time we make a decision but we only experience one of those timelines.

Also for the record: I DO consider myself a nerd and I'm proud of it. I'm a big strong fit nerd who enjoys lifting and working out just ss much as I enjoy deep existential conversations and reading both fiction and nonfiction books. I read all the Harry apotter books twice, some 3 times lol. I play video games on a PC I built myself that has water cooling onntbe CPU and GPU. And I make a ton of fucking money at my job in IT. An near 200 k this year (but theres my ego talking eh?). So anyone who uses that term as an insult is totally missing the mark for me lmao. All I can say in response is "Thank you." Nerds4lyfe

 

[JesterBOB]

Damn yall surprised me here!

In my mind we have free will. I can choose to use drugs or not. I can choose to search for a new job if I want. We are certainlycompelled by our basal instinct and subconscious...but just as in the previousbpost where we decide that we are not our ego, but rather we control our ego, we also can overcome our subconscious and basal instincts and act in a way that opposes both of them if we so choose. Now I will say I think the basy majority of people do NOT do this in the vast majority of situations. Just as most people let their ego control them, too. But there are times where we can overcome it and make truly exceptional choices. Do you disagree? I am curious.

It certainly FEELZ like those exceptional choices are made with free will. Perhaps they are just the culmination kf everything thay came before them. Or perhaps time forks off every time we make a decision but we only experience one of those timelines.

Also for the record: I DO consider myself a nerd and I'm proud of it. I'm a big strong fit nerd who enjoys lifting and working out just ss much as I enjoy deep existential conversations and reading both fiction and nonfiction books. I read all the Harry apotter books twice, some 3 times lol. I play video games on a PC I built myself that has water cooling onntbe CPU and GPU. And I make a ton of fucking money at my job in IT. An near 200 k this year (but theres my ego talking eh?). So anyone who uses that term as an insult is totally missing the mark for me lmao. All I can say in response is "Thank you." Nerds4lyfe

Very cool text as I read you, more and more imbued with respect for the author.

 

[MFAAS]

Very cool text as I read you, more and more imbued with respect for the author.

Thanks man! I appreciate the kind words!

 

[Jin23]

You know, coming from humanistic/semiotic studies, being a structuralist ofc drove me to think deterministically; "we are are here to understand why we made the decisions that we made and not actually have a choice in them". But this was all before I really learned how to meditate and before I started using psychs. As of now, I have nothing new to add to this, honestly I stopped worrying my self with it. But I guess the obvious question here would be: why being in a state of "ego death", would exclude one from the deterministic/entropic rules of our existence/universe? Yes, you are not governed by your ego inclinations (past life experience, wantings, needs, etc.), but you are still present in an entropic universe and thus governed by it's rules, which do seem to be very much so deterministic ...

 

[MFAAS]

You know, coming from humanistic/semiotic studies, being a structuralist ofc drove me to think deterministically; "we are are here to understand why we made the decisions that we made and not actually have a choice in them". But this was all before I really learned how to meditate and before I started using psychs. As of now, I have nothing new to add to this, honestly I stopped worrying my self with it. But I guess the obvious question here would be: why being in a state of "ego death", would exclude one from the deterministic/entropic rules of our existence/universe? Yes, you are not governed by your ego inclinations (past life experience, wantings, needs, etc.), but you are still present in an entropic universe and thus governed by it's rules, which do seem to be very much so deterministic ...

Yeah I mean I have zero worry about any of this stuff. It is entirely just a thought experiment and something I like to ponder. Even though we have to work within the rules of the universe, I don't think our llives, choices, and experiences are governed deterministically. I think that the events in our lives are mostly derterministic, but IMO that doesn't mean we don't have free will. It just means that we have to work within the rules of life and make the best of what we have created. I think determinism simply gives us a set of options...but we get to choose how to perceive things, how to react, and can often overcome out initial reactions if we just put a little effort into it. Therefore we can also make various choices in life anf THAT is where free will comes into play. Determinism doesn't mean every action is predeternined, it does govern the options we get to pick from, but we still GET to CHOOSE.

That said I do think we need to look back and consider the reasons we made the choices we did, because the factors are often not immediately obvious, especially in the moment.

Also, although In the end, none of it really matters because life is life and experience is experience. We all reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of our actions, which makes up our life. These topics are very fun to think about though and I believe makes people stronger, more empathetic, and often more self-aware and less hypocritical. As opposed to those who go about life refusing to think about the deeper meaning of things, who walk around governed by their ego and initial gut reactions, never bothering or realizing that these thoughts and discussions can bring about a lot of positive personal growth in life.

I get not being super interested in these topics (everyone has different interests after all), but it saddens me to see people being judgemental assholes just because some other people like to discuss the deeper meaning of life and they are too small minded at the time to understand. So they insult the others and try to turn everything into politics so they can bitch and complain and talk shit...because that seems to be all they know how to do. Maybe they didnt notice but this was posted in the general discussion section, not politics. How about just don't participate if you don't want to. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

You don't get to choose freely; you only get to choose from things that are not in your control (literally everything). Sometimes you feel or think you have control, but that is simply awareness of what you're currently doing. 99% of the time you are unaware of things, as they are on autopilot. This is why I said all we can do is learn; because learning is awareness, or rather, a recording of something if you're doing. I will agree, most people are completely unaware of things, and those of us who practice being aware, are more aware, but we still don't have free will.

Free will would mean nothing has any influence on what you're choosing to do right now or later; this is impossible. Because your thoughts literally come from no where, nor do you do not choose a thought before you think it, as they are not in your control, your so-called will is always determined by them; moreover, the situation you are currently in, is determined by an incalculable number of previous causes, that is dependent literally on everything that ever happened. Therefore, how can you have free will is literally nothing before that "choice" you made was up to you?

Also, if you accept the fact that we are all one, there is no you to make any choices at all; if anything, there is only God's will (Cosmic Will) as it unfolds, certainly not by any of your doings or choices.

Either way, it doesn't matter because we are going to live as if we have free will, and even if we proved it didn't exist, it would literally make no difference; anything we would say to ourselves would still seem like we have a choice. And you know what, we do, even if it is an illusion; just like we have dreams that are not real objectively to all, they are real in their own sense to us subjectively.

I'm not a computer nerd, but I always have had video games as part of my life. Thought I'm older, I now get to enjoy games with my son; we play co-op games together whether its the Trine series with puzzles, beat-em ups like Streets of Rage 4, or even stupid games like Octogeddon, no doubt in my mind, these games raise help with intelligence levels, because you must develop hand/eye coordination, have a strategy to beat opponents, and always solve a challenge in front of you, in real time. I'm amazed how how my son at 6 years old, can even solve problems I fail to see the solution to. There have been studies showing how video game are actually great for the brain, and they have been using them to help elderly people retain cognitive function.

PS. One of my favorite video games of all time is Castlevania Symphony of the Night.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

You know, coming from humanistic/semiotic studies, being a structuralist ofc drove me to think deterministically; "we are are here to understand why we made the decisions that we made and not actually have a choice in them". But this was all before I really learned how to meditate and before I started using psychs. As of now, I have nothing new to add to this, honestly I stopped worrying my self with it. But I guess the obvious question here would be: why being in a state of "ego death", would exclude one from the deterministic/entropic rules of our existence/universe? Yes, you are not governed by your ego inclinations (past life experience, wantings, needs, etc.), but you are still present in an entropic universe and thus governed by it's rules, which do seem to be very much so deterministic ...

God is having a dream as "you." Notice in our dreams, we basically have zero control and we just watch them unfold. Sometimes, we have people claim they have those lucid dreams where they can control themselves in it, but again, I argue that is they simply being aware of the desire to make a choice, and then executing it; it would have happened anyway if they weren't aware of that choice. This would be akin to a radar system picking up an enemy craft and beeping, doing precisely what it was programmed to do, so the anti-aircraft system can respond accordingly, as it was programmed to do.

For example, you didn't choose to sit exactly how you are now...you chose to sit down in general, but did you choose precisely how your legs are bent, your feet are placed, your toes are pointed, your heels and so on? But what if I said, "OK get up and sit down again, this time pay attention to how you place everything." Suddenly, you'll think you chose how to sit down, but you still didn't, you're only aware of how you're going to sit down again.

 

[Jin23]

God is having a dream as "you."

Well yes ... That's what I meant by "universe experiencing it self". But, I'd still be interested in opinions; why a state of ego death, would potentially exclude a subject out of entropy. I wouldn't base everything on ego. Being outside of ego walls, you're still governed by the rules of the universe you're being present in. And you being in the state of the observer, is still an entropic process. Granted, I am not a meditation expert, those guys go far beyond being the watcher. There are levels to this and idk how much things change surpassing those levels of consciousness but still I'd argue that escaping entropy is not possible unless one totally loses his subjectivity and becomes part of "everything", ie. if one could achieve death while still being alive.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Well yes ... That's what I meant by "universe experiencing it self". But, I'd still be interested in opinions; why a state of ego death, would potentially exclude a subject out of entropy. I wouldn't base everything on ego. Being outside of ego walls, you're still governed by the rules of the universe you're being present in. And you being in the state of the observer, is still an entropic process. Granted, I am not a meditation expert, those guys go far beyond being the watcher. There are levels to this and idk how much things change surpassing those levels of consciousness but still I'd argue that escaping entropy is not possible unless one totally loses his subjectivity and becomes part of "everything", ie. if one could achieve death while still being alive.

I think if you reach a state of purely being the observer, you are God in that specific perspective without the ego. The ego, as you know, is simply the narrative we tell ourselves; when that is gone, and you realize you are all, you achieve what you just said, while not being actually dead. You can do it right now just simply sitting there in a split second. You don't need to OBEs or tripping states. "Enlightenment" is simply an 'ah ha' moment; a realization of the fundamental truth, and nothing more. That's all it is. We don't have to sit there in the lotus position for 9 year to get there; in fact, one could understand it logically, but will feel that they don't truly get it, until they experience it.

Rupert Spira is a teacher who talks about the Direct Path. I saw him once in NYC.
View: https://youtu.be/iW9kvq1qeAw

 

[Jin23]

I think if you reach a state of purely being the observer, you are God in that specific perspective without the ego. The ego, as you know, is simply the narrative we tell ourselves; when that is gone, and you realize you are all, you achieve what you just said, while not being actually dead. You can do it right now just simply sitting there in a split second. You don't need to OBEs or tripping states. "Enlightenment" is simply an 'ah ha' moment; a realization of the fundamental truth, and nothing more. That's all it is. We don't have to sit there in the lotus position for 9 year to get there; in fact, one could understand it logically, but will feel that they don't truly get it, until they experience it.

Rupert Spira is a teacher who talks about the Direct Path. I saw him once in NYC.
View: https://youtu.be/iW9kvq1qeAw

No, why are you talking about ego again? I was talking about stages of meditation.There are many. The state of the observer is only the first stage and no, you can't just reach it in a split second. That takes time and practice. Maybe you're mistaking it for something else or your view of it is somehow skewd. And no, you can't understand it logically, not really. At least not in it's entirety. It's experiential knowledge.