Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

I just skimmed his Wikipedia and admittedly didn't read his memoir.

Let me ask you: Do you trust someone like that, especially when his motivations are now clear. And what were his motivations? He wanted to be a star and he wanted to live in fancy Europe. He wrote this and got what he wanted.

And even if his accounts were true, every soldier bitches and complains throughout the entire experience. Being a soldier sucks. It's supposed to suck. There's always chaos. Always stupid leadership. Conditions always suck. These tales are as frequent and as old as history itself.

Thanks for the information though.
I think you're mixing up rich armies stupidity and poor armies stupidity. Yes it always suck and we always bitch, but there's different levels to it.

My own first hand observations:
Nigeria - troopers issued one half-full magazine only, 15 bullets per person.
South Sudan - NVG equipment in BMP-2 stolen, one magazine issued each, no fuel to move vehicles because it's stolen, no vehicles to move troops because they're instead used to provide commercial transport for civilians (bus service), salary not paid, death money not paid, no training in section, platoon, company formations, batteries for all kind of equipment stolen. Enemies know our location because someone is relaying our own positions for money. Minefields not marked because nobody can be bothered.

Yes rich armies too sometimes lack batteries, but it's usually an admin fuck-up or you got the wrong type, not because company and platoon commanders are selling off everything they can get their hands on. It's different level of stupidity.

When you read Russian conscripts are being sent to the frontline within 3 days of enrolling, loaded into the MI-8 without having fired a single shot in training... I don't know if it's true or not, but it does sound like poor army stupidity.
 
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Dont underestimate us brother im in Romania neighbor to Ukraine and we ain't afraid of a little cold .
You think this shit makes us weak? You are wrong we are ready to go ALL THE WAY….
Ukraine's forces are already decimated; Col. MacGregor has stated this several times in different interview, one of which I posted above. Moreover, there are AL QAEDA "rebels" fighting with the Ukrainians.. HELLO? You think this is the RIGHT side? So Ukraine has NAZI and TERRORIST fighters and you think this is the right side to be on?

With total war, the entire country's infrastructure will be destroyed; how long do you think Ukrainians themselves are going to tolerate the harsh winter with no gas, heat, water, internet, electricity a few regions who voted to leave anyway?

If they didn't want Putin to invade, perhaps they shouldn't have violated the Minsk agreements nor killed the pro-Russians in Ukraine... They discriminated against them, shelled them, and killed them.

Putin on Minsk:


View: https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1497373617977536520?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg


Discrimination and ethnic cleansing:


View: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1577289845155983361?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg


How the Media reported on Ukraine BEFORE the war:


View: https://twitter.com/ThirdJennifer/status/1577048254608723968?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg

Remember, those of you believing the MSM without question are trusting the same people who lied about Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, NK, etc...what makes you think this war is any different?
 
Nearly the entire UN declared Russia a terrorist state.

Maybe you should go to NY and tell them all how wrong they are lol
There's our resident blue pill idiot.

Back to show us just how stupid he is.

I seriously doubt anybody cares what the UN says at this point.

Especially when Saudi Arabia, India and China all thumbed thier noses at Joe Biden.

Russian energy profits have risen drastically since Joe Bidens stupid sanctions. The only people he has hurt, are poor European people who can no longer buy affordable Russian energy.

And outside of a few people in Washington DC and thier mindless DNC sheep like yourself, nobody is wanting to face nuclear war with Russia over a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden and his crackhead son
 
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Dont underestimate us brother im in Romania neighbor to Ukraine and we ain't afraid of a little cold .
You think this shit makes us weak? You are wrong we are ready to go ALL THE WAY….

Dude, nobody's questioning your balls.

We're just pointing out that throwing lives away like this makes no sense whatsoever.

The US state department instigated all of this shit back in 2014 with a coup and Ukranian ogliarchs have been bribing US politicians ever since to help put them in full control over what's left of Ukraine.

This doesn't help the ukranian people, nor any of you in Eastern Europe except a few rich elites will get even richer.

Your life is worth more than putting money into the pockets of corrupt globalists and Eastern European ogliarchy.

Save your life until all of us working people have to unite and fight these corrupt bastards together.
 
Macron said they would not retaliate if Putin used NUKES—that's how bad Europe doesn't want WW3. US/NATO/EU is willing to use Ukrainian lives to see if Ukraine to weaken or soften Russia; they will fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, but they don't a shit about Ukraine; it is simply a proxy against Russia.

All the sanctions against Russia, have only hurt those who imposed them; Xi and Putin now have a stronger relationship now, and America's insanity has caused Saudi Arabia to question its relationship with us, which will probably lead to the end of the Petrodollar, allowing Russia/China BRICS to end American hegemony.

And Zelensky doesn't give a shit about Ukraine either (like most politicians); he is a Jewish comedian who can flee to any place he wants, including Israel, when shit goes to hell.

I care about Ukrainian civilians and I don't want them to suffer more than they already have. I want this war to end, and that is only going to happen with peace talks, which Putin has offered but the West has instructed Zelensky to ignore them and keep fighting, proving once again, they don't' give a shit about Ukraine.
 
NATO doing nuclear war drills etc. I guess everyone is asleep or hypnotized because no one cares, but in any other era, it would be sort of frightening to be having discussions of rapid escalation to nuclear happenings.


View: https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1580961851206254594


Good point Sir.

And the thing is, anybody that takes just a little bit of time to research Russia and Putin knows, that whatever you think of Putin, the guy doesn't bluff. He doesn't bullshit, and he doesn't make threats he's not willing to deliver on.

There's a very sizeable population of Russian people that remember the outright robbery and looting the west did to them after the fall of the Soviet Union and they're not going to give in or go down without taking the US with them.

This whole thing is madness. It's all just greed and ambitions of globalist empire.
 
Good point Sir.

And the thing is, anybody that takes just a little bit of time to research Russia and Putin knows, that whatever you think of Putin, the guy doesn't bluff. He doesn't bullshit, and he doesn't make threats he's not willing to deliver on.

There's a very sizeable population of Russian people that remember the outright robbery and looting the west did to them after the fall of the Soviet Union and they're not going to give in or go down without taking the US with them.

This whole thing is madness. It's all just greed and ambitions of globalist empire.
I think the US/NATO is following some strange artifical intelligence produced script. I guess they are trying to bait the Russians into some type of trap. The Russians have their own AI though...........

Putin is very smart and very fair. To be fair, all Russia has to do......is wait. The USA is going to collapse. It's only a matter of time.
 
I think the US/NATO is following some strange artifical intelligence produced script. I guess they are trying to bait the Russians into some type of trap. The Russians have their own AI though...........

Putin is very smart and very fair. To be fair, all Russia has to do......is wait. The USA is going to collapse. It's only a matter of time.

Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all if they've got some AI program they're following with various scenarios playing out.

But I think it's obvious what the US/NATO objective is, and that's the dissolution of the Russian federation so that they can begin whittling off it's member states slowly in their long term agenda of a one world globalist empire.

And I don't think that's crazy to say at all. I think if you look at thier actions and objectives, it's obviously the endgame
 
Ukraine's forces are already decimated; Col. MacGregor has stated this several times in different interview, one of which I posted above. Moreover, there are AL QAEDA "rebels" fighting with the Ukrainians.. HELLO? You think this is the RIGHT side? So Ukraine has NAZI and TERRORIST fighters and you think this is the right side to be on?

With total war, the entire country's infrastructure will be destroyed; how long do you think Ukrainians themselves are going to tolerate the harsh winter with no gas, heat, water, internet, electricity a few regions who voted to leave anyway?

If they didn't want Putin to invade, perhaps they shouldn't have violated the Minsk agreements nor killed the pro-Russians in Ukraine... They discriminated against them, shelled them, and killed them.

Putin on Minsk:


View: https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1497373617977536520?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg


Discrimination and ethnic cleansing:


View: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1577289845155983361?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg


How the Media reported on Ukraine BEFORE the war:


View: https://twitter.com/ThirdJennifer/status/1577048254608723968?s=20&t=rXDsntgubPpwje6O530wqg

Remember, those of you believing the MSM without question are trusting the same people who lied about Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, NK, etc...what makes you think this war is any different?

You are brainwashed by all this media garbaged he said she said bullshit !
No need to over analize the situation is simple the Russians are knocking at Europe's door.
We have been already invaded by the Russians trough history you have not!
We have lived in Communism you have not!
We are not taking this shit anymore and yes people will die war is not pretty but part of history.
My grandfather fought the Russians and i will if i have to !
Ukraine is gaining territory fast….
People said they are losing from the beginning its not true .
Ukrain will never lose only if nuked and no help from the west!
Russia is clear what they want Nato to leave baltic states so that Russia keeps expanding, so its Nuclear war or Nato retreat no other way around it .
This eveil needs to be stoped as simple as that so people need to man up the fairytale is over it gets real now!
 
You are brainwashed by all this media garbaged he said she said bullshit !
No need to over analize the situation is simple the Russians are knocking at Europe's door.
We have been already invaded by the Russians trough history you have not!
We have lived in Communism you have not!
We are not taking this shit anymore and yes people will die war is not pretty but part of history.
My grandfather fought the Russians and i will if i have to !
Ukraine is gaining territory fast….
People said they are losing from the beginning its not true .
Ukrain will never lose only if nuked and no help from the west!
Russia is clear what they want Nato to leave baltic states so that Russia keeps expanding, so its Nuclear war or Nato retreat no other way around it .
This eveil needs to be stoped as simple as that so people need to man up the fairytale is over it gets real now!

In other words, your only argument against the observation that this could have been easily prevented and stopped immediately by simple low cost diplomacy on the part of the US/NATO/Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and must be stopped"...... because..."Communism"

Russia is no more "communist" than Ukraine. And Russia is not the Soviet Union anymore than Italy is the goddamn Roman empire.

So show some fuckin sense before you call someone else brainwashed.

Because Russia stands literally no chance in hell of rebuilding the Soviet Union anymore than Italy does rebuilding the Roman empire. It's ridiculous.

On the other hand, if you give a shit about the ukranian people, you might want to be careful about who you associate with and how they operate.

The US has been funding and arming neo Nazis and Islamic jihadis in Ukraine to fight the Russians.

We've all seen how this ends before.

These are same jihadis they used in Syria to try to topple Assad. The same ones they started the muhadeen with in Afghanistan. Now throw neo Nazis in the mix and history repeats itself

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The reality for ukranian people

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You'd better save your balls for the real enemy ahead

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Looks like our executive branch doesn't give a shit since Elons dared to disagree with the administration. Time to wake up folks. This will be called out I'm sure as having all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
 
Back up for one minute here though and let's put some common sense into this without emotional hysteria.

Russia just used precision missile strikes in dozens of ukranian cities with accuracy good enough to take out pedestrian bridges, key parts of power plants and infrastructure while limiting human casualties by using relatively weak explosive elements on those missiles.

Now, that's the reality of what just happened.

A rational person would realize, that those missiles could easily have been tipped with tactical or moderate sized nuclear explosive devices and Kyiv and such would be a nice smooth glass parking lot right now glowing in the dark for the next few hundred years.

Now that just obvious if you want to logically think about what just happened.

Any reasonable person would think it wise to open up some channels of dialogue and figure out how to deescalate what is obviously a goddamn trainwreck happening in slow motion.

This latest missels attack was definitely a retaliation. But it's also clearly a warning.

Russia obviously doesn't want to nuke anybody, or else they would have. They clearly showed the capability, unquestionably.

As Americans we should demand our leadership stop howling like naive children agitating this conflict and start negotiating a peace treaty immediately.


This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron.

Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. And you bastards on here that voted for this shit like @Big_paul ought to have this shoved up your ass everyday from now on all because of your childish hatred for the orange Boogeyman we're looking at a whore and a dementia patient calling the shots of a serious matter.

This shit isn't a game. And we're not playing for chips, but with people's fuckin lives.

Enough already


I totally agree with you, russia definitely has the technological capability to strike from afar and even drop a shit ton of nukes.

Where russia seems totally corroded by corruption and incompetence is at the lower level. So while they could obliterate ukraine remotely, they seem incapable at this juncture of actually seizing control and holding onto territory, and since that seems to be their primary objective they are failing.

If their objective is to turn ukraine into a country wide chernobyl zone they can most certainly do that in a matter of minutes, but they are not doing that, and to do that would render their entire war effort pointless.

TL;DR I dont think Russia can achieve their goal, but i do believe they can annihilate ukraine (not their goal though)
 
I totally agree with you, russia definitely has the technological capability to strike from afar and even drop a shit ton of nukes.
Exactly.
They basically showed Ukraine they have the precision munitions capable of hitting targets anywhere they want, whenever they want.


Where russia seems totally corroded by corruption and incompetence is at the lower level. So while they could obliterate ukraine remotely, they seem incapable at this juncture of actually seizing control and holding onto territory, and since that seems to be their primary objective they are failing.

We'll, let's just think about that for a minute and try to apply some logic to the situation.

Russian intitial military forces was around 120-150k troops by most accounts. That's clearly not enough to occupy all of Ukraine, or even conquer anything West of the dniper river.

Surely Russia knew this.

US forces in Iraq were well over 500k by comparison.

So I can't see the Russian objective was ever to conquer all of Ukraine. That just doesn't make sense. Especially when Russian statements initially were to destroy the Ukrainian military that the US/NATO had been building in Ukraine since 2014 and liberate the ethnic Russian people of the far east and south of Ukraine. That's what they said they wanted to do.

It seems that holding territory hasn't been something the Russian military has really committed itself to doing anywhere except specific places in the Donbass and Crimea. Otherwise they've moved fairly fluidly around as circumstances changed.

Take the recent ukranian "gains" for instance. Ukraine gained some fifty miles or so of territory at an astronomical cost of tens of thousands of casualties. While the small Russian forces in the region did retreat and ceded the ground, Ukraine paid probably 4 or 5 to 1 difference in casualties.

And this has been the case in the vast majority of these ukranian offensives. Remember ukranian forces intitial numbers were 500k-700k by most accounts and Russia was only 150k on the high end estimate.

Now consider this last missels barrage. Ukraine claims to have shot down 27% of the Total Russian volley of 200+ rockets, and maybe that's true, who knows? but we do know they've also lost 80% of their missels defense systems and are in a panic for the US to supply more.

They've lost power generation capabilities to huge parts of western Ukraine, with winter hitting in just a few weeks, key infrastructure they needed to transport additional weapons in the east and even some key intelligence centers in Kyiv itself.

When you sort the facts from the propoganda, this isn't looking good for Ukraine.

If their objective is to turn ukraine into a country wide chernobyl zone they can most certainly do that in a matter of minutes, but they are not doing that, and to do that would render their entire war effort pointless.

Agreed. I don't think they have any intention of nuking Ukraine. They way they held back most of their big guns looks to me like they want to get along with the Ukrainian people at some point. After they've destroyed the current ukranian regime maybe.



TL;DR I dont think Russia can achieve their goal, but i do believe they can annihilate ukraine (not their goal though)

See, I think that's all a matter of what you think thier goals are.

The western propoganda narrative is that "Putin's goal is to conquer all of Ukraine then move on to eastern Europe" then I'd have to agree that's not going to happen. In large parts because Russian tactics have certainly not been inline with that objective. They haven't used any heavy bombers or heavy missel strikes or even really attempted anything seriously west of the Dnieper river.

If you take their own words, it was to destroy the Ukrainian war machine the US/NATO alliance had been building and to liberate the ethnic Russian people in the far east and south as their objective , then you can see the Ukrainian military has probably lost 70-80% of it's best fighting men and the territory where the ethnic Russian people live is firmly in their control.

They've just knocked out most of Ukraines air defense capability and shut down the power generation capabilities in the region of the ukranian headquarters along with much of the needed infrastructure to ship supplies to the Eastern front.

Now, I know we're constantly told that Ukraine is winning and we need to keep spending money on this war.

But the reality doesn't look like that to a rational person that tries to analyze the situation.

And this "regime change in Russia" nonsense? Well that's not going to happen.

Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might.

At some point the American public is going to want to know why we're going broke fighting Russia in Ukraine when our dollar is collapsing, our inflation is soaring, our borders are wide open and our own economy is tanking. Just because Ukraine paid Joe Bidens crackhead son millions of dollars is not worth the American suffering he's putting us through.

It's just a matter of time.

Meanwhile, Russia is selling the hell out of energy in China and India, Saudi Arabia is doing business with Russia and dealing in ruples, talking about buying Russian weapons intead of US and most of Asia is siding with Russia.

Not good. Biden is a fuckin moron. And the people who supported him are even stupider then he is
 
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Exactly.
They basically showed Ukraine they have the precision munitions capable of hitting targets anywhere they want, whenever they want.




We'll, let's just think about that for a minute and try to apply some logic to the situation.

Russian intitial military forces was around 120-150k troops by most accounts. That's clearly not enough to occupy all of Ukraine, or even conquer anything West of the dniper river.

Surely Russia knew this.

US forces in Iraq were well over 500k by comparison.

So I can't see the Russian objective was ever to conquer all of Ukraine. That just doesn't make sense. Especially when Russian statements initially were to destroy the Ukrainian military that the US/NATO had been building in Ukraine since 2014 and liberate the ethnic Russian people of the far east and south of Ukraine. That's what they said they wanted to do.

It seems that holding territory hasn't been something the Russian military has really committed itself to doing anywhere except specific places in the Donbass and Crimea. Otherwise they've moved fairly fluidly around as circumstances changed.

Take the recent ukranian "gains" for instance. Ukraine gained some fifty miles or so of territory at an astronomical cost of tens of thousands of casualties. While the small Russian forces in the region did retreat and ceded the ground, Ukraine paid probably 4 or 5 to 1 difference in casualties.

And this has been the case in the vast majority of these ukranian offensives. Remember ukranian forces intitial numbers were 500k-700k by most accounts and Russia was only 150k on the high end estimate.

Now consider this last missels barrage. Ukraine claims to have shot down 27% of the Total Russian volley of 200+ rockets, and maybe that's true, who knows? but we do know they've also lost 80% of their missels defense systems and are in a panic for the US to supply more.

They've lost power generation capabilities to huge parts of western Ukraine, with winter hitting in just a few weeks, key infrastructure they needed to transport additional weapons in the east and even some key intelligence centers in Kyiv itself.

When you sort the facts from the propoganda, this isn't looking good for Ukraine.



Agreed. I don't think they have any intention of nuking Ukraine. They way they held back most of their big guns looks to me like they want to get along with the Ukrainian people at some point. After they've destroyed the current ukranian regime maybe.





See, I think that's all a matter of what you think thier goals are.

The western propoganda narrative is that "Putin's goal is to conquer all of Ukraine then move on to eastern Europe" then I'd have to agree that's not going to happen. In large parts because Russian tactics have certainly not been inline with that objective. They haven't used any heavy bombers or heavy missel strikes or even really attempted anything seriously west of the Dnieper river.

If you take their own words, it was to destroy the Ukrainian war machine the US/NATO alliance had been building and to liberate the ethnic Russian people in the far east and south as their objective , then you can see the Ukrainian military has probably lost 70-80% of it's best fighting men and the territory where the ethnic Russian people live is firmly in their control.

They've just knocked out most of Ukraines air defense capability and shut down the power generation capabilities in the region of the ukranian headquarters along with much of the needed infrastructure to ship supplies to the Eastern front.

Now, I know we're constantly told that Ukraine is winning and we need to keep spending money on this war.

But the reality doesn't look like that to a rational person that tries to analyze the situation.

And this "regime change in Russia" nonsense? Well that's not going to happen.

Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might.

At some point the American public is going to want to know why we're going broke fighting Russia in Ukraine when our dollar is collapsing, our inflation is soaring, our borders are wide open and our own economy is tanking. Just because Ukraine paid Joe Bidens crackhead son millions of dollars is not worth the American suffering he's putting us through.

It's just a matter of time.

Meanwhile, Russia is selling the hell out of energy in China and India, Saudi Arabia is doing business with Russia and dealing in ruples, talking about buying Russian weapons intead of US and most of Asia is siding with Russia.

Not good. Biden is a fuckin moron. And the people who supported him are even stupider then he is

@NorthMich @malfeasance @Big_paul

Any of you resident DNC propoganda guzzling blue pill addicts got any coherent rebuttals here?
 
In other words, your only argument against the observation that this could have been easily prevented and stopped immediately by simple low cost diplomacy on the part of the US/NATO/Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and must be stopped"...... because..."Communism"

Russia is no more "communist" than Ukraine. And Russia is not the Soviet Union anymore than Italy is the goddamn Roman empire.

So show some fuckin sense before you call someone else brainwashed.

Because Russia stands literally no chance in hell of rebuilding the Soviet Union anymore than Italy does rebuilding the Roman empire. It's ridiculous.

On the other hand, if you give a shit about the ukranian people, you might want to be careful about who you associate with and how they operate.

The US has been funding and arming neo Nazis and Islamic jihadis in Ukraine to fight the Russians.

We've all seen how this ends before.

These are same jihadis they used in Syria to try to topple Assad. The same ones they started the muhadeen with in Afghanistan. Now throw neo Nazis in the mix and history repeats itself

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I think your dna is broken your ancestors survived by hiding in a hole and this is programed in you!
You are wrong every couple of years,some times more some times less Russia tries to invade europe its how it always has been .
If Europe is weak they get fucked they get they're wife's raped , house destroyed , money stolen and possibly even killed .
Even when my country alowed russian army to pass they did the same .
So no there is no way to talk this out i don't expect you to understand because your dna is weak and you think siding with the agressor will land you favors and you are to dumb to form your own opinion so you listen to general fuckwith or colonel sausage on the internet to form ideas for you that are aligned with your weak dna.
 
@NorthMich @malfeasance @Big_paul

Any of you resident DNC propoganda guzzling blue pill addicts got any coherent rebuttals here?

Well based on Russias initial attack, it seems their goal was to take Kyiv and thus basically all of Ukraine. That did not unfold the way they expected, so they had to move the goal posts to save face.

Lukashenko had shown some map earlier in the war that implied Russia was planning to link to transnistria in Moldova, that failed to happen thus far as well.

For the record im not american, so im not speaking some biased pro-biden shit, im just looking at whats happening. I do however think Russia has no business being in Ukraine, and i think Putin over estimated the capabilities of his military. You can point to his troop numbers and lay blame there, but that merely proves my point, he (or his generals) thought they could achieve their targets with the allotted troops, only to discover they had over estimated their own capabilities.

As i stated earlier, putin can throw a lot more troops at this, much like Stalin did in WW2, im sure youve seen the massive losses of life the soviets incurred in WW2 as Stalins strategy was to send as many poor SOBs into the fray as he could muster. Putin has yet to do that, it worked for Stalin, but the assymetrical loss of life was astounding. Could Putins regime survive that kind of loss of Russian lives, politically? Im not sure, and i get the feeling he doesnt want to find out either. Im sure if Russia sent all the troops they could muster they would storm Ukraine by sheer numbers, but it would be at a substantial human cost to Russia and that loss may unravel Putins grip on power.

Also hughinn, im curious to hear your thoughts on all the recent deaths of prominent Russians. Whats going on with that? Why are all these prominent russians dying from suicides and murder-suicides? Somethings going on internally in Russia, and i dont think its a mental health issue.
 
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