High estrogen not coming down - AI Help

[TinyLegs]

Current cycle
750mg/week test-e
400-500mg/week masteron-e (just added in less than 2 weeks on)
Aromasin 10mg EOD

Just pulled bloods-estradiol came in at 134. Prolactin came in range on the lower end.

I would like to get it to 40-50 to see how my libido feels. Not sure what dosage I should target since I figured 10mg EOD of Aromasin would be sufficient. I could switch to Adex.

No obvious negative estrogen side effect (ie bitch tits/gyno/itchy nipples).

Thoughts on how to lower estrogen to more management range?

 

[Type-IIx]

Are you using an ultrasensitive E2 assay? If not, exemestane (Aromasin itself) causes a false E2 elevation due to their sharing the same steroidal backbone.

Get an ultrasensitive LC/MS E2 test.

 

[TinyLegs]

Are you using an ultrasensitive E2 assay? If not, exemestane (Aromasin itself) causes a false E2 elevation due to their sharing the same steroidal backbone.

Get an ultrasensitive LC/MS E2 test.

Thanks. Just ordered it. Will pull this week and report back. Hopefully that is the case.

Thanks again

 

[Rido]

What symptoms are you experiencing? is it poor libido?

 

[Type-IIx]

What symptoms are you experiencing? is it poor libido?

No obvious negative estrogen side effect (ie bitch tits/gyno/itchy nipples).

 

[TinyLegs]

What symptoms are you experiencing? is it poor libido?

Poor libido.

September my junk was like I was 20 again. First time in a while it was that good. But then just disappeared like the wind in a month. I wish I took a snapshot at the time of my hormones to know what the sweet spot was because usually I have to use ED meds to have sex for many years now. In Sept I needed ZERO meds, great morning wood. Shame I don’t know what happened.

Now ED meds don’t work and I have to use PT-141 and even that is only so so. I did also just get off 8 months of accutane which destroyed my libido/cock about 3 months in.

Historically I never used AI’s unless a problem happened even then it was caber for a prolactin. So when I saw urologist specializing in ED she said your estrogen is likely the culprit it is too high, try to get it down to a more normal level.

 

[Rido]

Poor libido.

September my junk was like I was 20 again. First time in a while it was that good. But then just disappeared like the wind in a month. I wish I took a snapshot at the time of my hormones to know what the sweet spot was because usually I have to use ED meds to have sex for many years now. In Sept I needed ZERO meds, great morning wood. Shame I don’t know what happened.

Now ED meds don’t work and I have to use PT-141 and even that is only so so. I did also just get off 8 months of accutane which destroyed my libido/cock about 3 months in.

Historically I never used AI’s unless a problem happened even then it was caber for a prolactin. So when I saw urologist specializing in ED she said your estrogen is likely the culprit it is too high, try to get it down to a more normal level.

Do you have reduced sensation there? Or just no libido?

 

[TinyLegs]

Do you have reduced sensation there? Or just no libido?

I can get “bored” during sex if the person isn’t very skilled or if not as tight to provide constant sensation. I also since my 20s suffered from delayed ejaculation basically rarely orgasmed during sex (oral or vaginal) now I’m a bit better. So reduced sensation maybe be a factor, over stimulated or under-stimulated brain could be another.

Libido wise: Trouble maintaining erection (comes and goes) especially when moving around or pushing myself too much (intensity). Sex I want to have it, no major reduction in sexual desires.

My performance in September showed I can be a beast without drugs. So something in the body is off. As easily as it was fixed for the first time in years (with zero drugs)….it then disappeared. Problem is I don’t know if it’s in the brain or hormones. Doctor seemed to think it was the estrogen. So now I’m trying to bring that to normal levels to see if that helps.

But doctors here don’t treat brain ED, so PT-141 is the only thing I can use and it works decent enough outside of traditional PED5 ED drugs. Not sure if it really is a blood flow problem. Doctor didn’t seem to think so.

 

[jJjburton]

I can get “bored” during sex if the person isn’t very skilled or if not as tight to provide constant sensation. I also since my 20s suffered from delayed ejaculation basically rarely orgasmed during sex (oral or vaginal) now I’m a bit better. So reduced sensation maybe be a factor, over stimulated or under-stimulated brain could be another.

Libido wise: Trouble maintaining erection (comes and goes) especially when moving around or pushing myself too much (intensity). Sex I want to have it, no major reduction in sexual desires.

My performance in September showed I can be a beast without drugs. So something in the body is off. As easily as it was fixed for the first time in years (with zero drugs)….it then disappeared. Problem is I don’t know if it’s in the brain or hormones. Doctor seemed to think it was the estrogen. So now I’m trying to bring that to normal levels to see if that helps.

But doctors here don’t treat brain ED, so PT-141 is the only thing I can use and it works decent enough outside of traditional PED5 ED drugs. Not sure if it really is a blood flow problem. Doctor didn’t seem to think so.

Usually high e2 bring lack of wanting for me.

Low e2, i just cant.

Try to take notice of other symptoms.

Are you bloated or flat?

How do your joints feel?

Do you get emotional easy?


For me to lower e2 i take .5 mg arimidex eod for a week then stop and see.

Or take 25 mg of aromasin eod for a week then see.

 

[Rido]

I can get “bored” during sex if the person isn’t very skilled or if not as tight to provide constant sensation. I also since my 20s suffered from delayed ejaculation basically rarely orgasmed during sex (oral or vaginal) now I’m a bit better. So reduced sensation maybe be a factor, over stimulated or under-stimulated brain could be another.

Libido wise: Trouble maintaining erection (comes and goes) especially when moving around or pushing myself too much (intensity). Sex I want to have it, no major reduction in sexual desires.

My performance in September showed I can be a beast without drugs. So something in the body is off. As easily as it was fixed for the first time in years (with zero drugs)….it then disappeared. Problem is I don’t know if it’s in the brain or hormones. Doctor seemed to think it was the estrogen. So now I’m trying to bring that to normal levels to see if that helps.

But doctors here don’t treat brain ED, so PT-141 is the only thing I can use and it works decent enough outside of traditional PED5 ED drugs. Not sure if it really is a blood flow problem. Doctor didn’t seem to think so.

im going to go with the obvious. have you thought of lowering the dose and your gear is just too high?

Thats why I would rather run multiple lower dose compounds and see what works for you than blast 2 at a higher level.

I guess did you have any of these issues on your previous cycles?

 

[TinyLegs]

Usually high e2 bring lack of wanting for me.

Low e2, i just cant.

Try to take notice of other symptoms.

Are you bloated or flat?

How do your joints feel?

Do you get emotional easy?


For me to lower e2 i take .5 mg arimidex eod for a week then stop and see.

Or take 25 mg of aromasin eod for a week then see.

Flat yes, bloated no. I’m on HGH so I’m the leanest I have ever been. Veins everywhere.

Joints feel good, although tendons hurt.

Emotional yes, but not a good factor since I have fought depression since I was young

im going to go with the obvious. have you thought of lowering the dose and your gear is just too high?

Thats why I would rather run multiple lower dose compounds and see what works for you than blast 2 at a higher level.

I guess did you have any of these issues on your previous cycles?

Well I been blasting and cruising for probably 10 years now. So what seems high for average person is basically my normal dosage over the years.

But the ED issues have existed prior to gear. Not sure gear helped it obviously, but I don’t think gear is the cause. I also never took care of my E2 while on cycle since I didn’t get gyno. Would hop on caber when I thought my prolactin was too high from 19-nors. I just tolerated the rest of symptoms.

Now I’m thinking maybe I should reign in E2 after all these years and see if I feel different. Going to pull the ultra sensitive E2 tommorrow and see what that shows. If it’s still showing 100+ estradiol on 50mg+ of aromasin a week then something needs correcting.

 

[jJjburton]

Flat yes, bloated no. I’m on HGH so I’m the leanest I have ever been. Veins everywhere.

Joints feel good, although tendons hurt.

Emotional yes, but not a good factor since I have fought depression since I was young



Well I been blasting and cruising for probably 10 years now. So what seems high for average person is basically my normal dosage over the years.

But the ED issues have existed prior to gear. Not sure gear helped it obviously, but I don’t think gear is the cause. I also never took care of my E2 while on cycle since I didn’t get gyno. Would hop on caber when I thought my prolactin was too high from 19-nors. I just tolerated the rest of symptoms.

Now I’m thinking maybe I should reign in E2 after all these years and see if I feel different. Going to pull the ultra sensitive E2 tommorrow and see what that shows. If it’s still showing 100+ estradiol on 50mg+ of aromasin a week then something needs correcting.

Sounds like e2 is def high. I remember reading 1 dose of 25 mg aromasin will decrese e2 levels by 65%.

I think it was a study posted on here

 

[Para_33]

The highest estrogen I’ve had coincided with highest e2 I’ve ever had. 100.2pg/ml sustained with peakes of 500+pg/ml.

Good luck getting it up at 500 though.

 

[TinyLegs]

Sounds like e2 is def high. I remember reading 1 dose of 25 mg aromasin will decrese e2 levels by 65%.

I think it was a study posted on here

Is that exponential though?

So if you had estradiol at 100 then you’re at 45 then at 15 After two doses?

 

[jJjburton]

Is that exponential though?

So if you had estradiol at 100 then you’re at 45 then at 15 After two doses?

No, i only know it was for 1 dose. I believe consistant or consecutive dosing does not keep like so.

not sure how it works after that.

 

[AbstractMind]

For me, if I run too much test or gear in general my dick and libido actually suffer. E2 can be in range and it still only gets like 90% hard. I actually get better erections on 400 mg of test then I do at 800. You wouldn’t expect that to be true but it is. Because of this (partially) I’m a fan of running 2,3,4 compounds at low-moderate doses then I am at running 1 compound at a high dose.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Are you using an ultrasensitive E2 assay? If not, exemestane (Aromasin itself) causes a false E2 elevation due to their sharing the same steroidal backbone.

Get an ultrasensitive LC/MS E2 test.

Is this the same with Adex?

 

[Fredy]

Take daily zinc to help keep E2 under control. I started taking 25mg a day because it’s supposed to help with acne. I have been informed by trt doctor that 50mg a day is a good amount to help. I have read people taking 75mg a day and it’s fixed E2 problems.
I had to drop back down to 25mg after 2 months as I was getting bad joint pain on 50mg.
So my guess is it’s a good daily sup to try. A lot healthier than AI.

 

[jJjburton]

Take daily zinc to help keep E2 under control. I started taking 25mg a day because it’s supposed to help with acne. I have been informed by trt doctor that 50mg a day is a good amount to help. I have read people taking 75mg a day and it’s fixed E2 problems.
I had to drop back down to 25mg after 2 months as I was getting bad joint pain on 50mg.
So my guess is it’s a good daily sup to try. A lot healthier than AI.

Well taking one dose an an AI every 4 weeks or until sides appear again. does wonders too. 1 25 mg aromasin or .5-1 mg adex. I just did this last night, i feel incredible now. I had high e2 not anymore. No need to take AI on a daily bases

 

[connoristiny]

Current cycle
750mg/week test-e
400-500mg/week masteron-e (just added in less than 2 weeks on)
Aromasin 10mg EOD

Just pulled bloods-estradiol came in at 134. Prolactin came in range on the lower end.

I would like to get it to 40-50 to see how my libido feels. Not sure what dosage I should target since I figured 10mg EOD of Aromasin would be sufficient. I could switch to Adex.

No obvious negative estrogen side effect (ie bitch tits/gyno/itchy nipples).

Thoughts on how to lower estrogen to more management range?

What about increasing the mast dose instead of the AI dose?.. (i.e. if you want to keep test constant).... would there be fewer sides to that approach?