Steroids and work

[PikOsyris88]

So people who take Tren, does it affect your ability to be calm and focused at work? I work a very serious and stressful job, that requires me to make tough decisions and work with others under stress and I just wonder how being roided up would affect things. Never personally met a jacked person who worked a very serious job.

 

[dafqu1]

im one of those hard core alpha men i have deca dick and its small and im gay GET THE FUCK ON

 

[Certified Bub]

More Plates More Dates on youtube has a lot of good information on AAS. Very smart guy that knows his shit. Now hes not going to give you a protocol you're gonna have to figure that out for yourself. But when it comes to the body chemistry of all of it, great place to start.

 

[Resurgence]

With the questions all over the place, and things you're worried about, you're best off looking into an alternative medicine clinic for advice and prescriptions.

If you're at risk of heart issues already, anything higher than TRT dosing can potentially put you at risk with cardiac issues via different channels from blood itself to cholesterol, etc.

Specific peptides and SARMs can also cause cardiac issues so wise to be very diligent researching even with those prior to use.

How well you handle stress now, and your temperament, is an indicator for how you can/will be regardless of a compound. There is no such thing as "roid rage". That's a cop out for shitty behavior and self control. Sure high androgen levels can compound that, shorten your tolerance for BS, yadda yadda. But that's things to be aware of beforehand. Healthy testosterone levels (normal range or slightly above) are actually proven to help stress, mood, etc.

You need to get a baseline test done on everything. CBC/CMP/estradiol ultra sensitive, test free/total, thyroid, lipid panel, PSA, etc.

Beginner cycle info is dime a dozen on the web Test, maybe a oral kicker. Your total test being 400s, even a TRT dosing cycle of 200-250/wk for 12-16 weeks will show good results and have your total test in the 12-1500 range, free should be 450-700.

TRT protocols are permanent. That's why it's called replacement, it's a decision to make with yourself. Granted they will still attempt to keep your natural hormones production functioning, via HPTA, if you desire to try to procreate.

Cycling isn't permanent, and there are methods to keeping everything functioning correctly. Granted it "can" cause permanent damage if you are using superficial amounts of hard compounds, long term, no preventative measures, etc. Basically being an idiot with no plan.

Having kids is a whole different conversation, doable for guys on TRT, doable for guys who have cycled for years. Call it the 6 P's. Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

I know I repeated/covered some stuff other guys did but it's for good reason. Lot of misconception and bad information out there.

 

[PikOsyris88]

I'm not going to bash the peptides. If you want to get in the game, get some Test. 250mg a week is plenty. Fool proof. Cheap. Best bang for your dough.

I think I want to wait till I'm a bit older before getting on TRT. Not entirely sure. But I know I will get on it eventually.

 

[PikOsyris88]

More Plates More Dates on youtube has a lot of good information on AAS. Very smart guy that knows his shit. Now hes not going to give you a protocol you're gonna have to figure that out for yourself. But when it comes to the body chemistry of all of it, great place to start.

Thanks, I watch him casually.

 

[PikOsyris88]

With the questions all over the place, and things you're worried about, you're best off looking into an alternative medicine clinic for advice and prescriptions.

If you're at risk of heart issues already, anything higher than TRT dosing can potentially put you at risk with cardiac issues via different channels from blood itself to cholesterol, etc.

Specific peptides and SARMs can also cause cardiac issues so wise to be very diligent researching even with those prior to use.

How well you handle stress now, and your temperament, is an indicator for how you can/will be regardless of a compound. There is no such thing as "roid rage". That's a cop out for shitty behavior and self control. Sure high androgen levels can compound that, shorten your tolerance for BS, yadda yadda. But that's things to be aware of beforehand. Healthy testosterone levels (normal range or slightly above) are actually proven to help stress, mood, etc.

You need to get a baseline test done on everything. CBC/CMP/estradiol ultra sensitive, test free/total, thyroid, lipid panel, PSA, etc.

Beginner cycle info is dime a dozen on the web Test, maybe a oral kicker. Your total test being 400s, even a TRT dosing cycle of 200-250/wk for 12-16 weeks will show good results and have your total test in the 12-1500 range, free should be 450-700.

TRT protocols are permanent. That's why it's called replacement, it's a decision to make with yourself. Granted they will still attempt to keep your natural hormones production functioning, via HPTA, if you desire to try to procreate.

Cycling isn't permanent, and there are methods to keeping everything functioning correctly. Granted it "can" cause permanent damage if you are using superficial amounts of hard compounds, long term, no preventative measures, etc. Basically being an idiot with no plan.

Having kids is a whole different conversation, doable for guys on TRT, doable for guys who have cycled for years. Call it the 6 P's. Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

I know I repeated/covered some stuff other guys did but it's for good reason. Lot of misconception and bad information out there.

Good info.

The commitment to TRT just seems hard to justify at my age. Do you think that my testosterone is low? Because my doc says that’s normal. As low as 250 is normal to him.

I really think I’m just going to play around with a few weeks of low dose peptides for HGH secretion. I'm only 34, my health is the best it’s ever been after decades of struggling with serious health problems.

I’m really just curious about all this stuff and want to learn so this is how I like to learn.

Heart problems are not really that big of a risk, when I say it runs in my family I really just mean that I’ve had a few family members that died of heart attacks at like 60. I'm sure lifestyle played a role. My dad is 64 and he has the cardio of a 21-year-old.

My concerns are more mild than some people here seem to think they are. I’m just a very cautious person. not scared just cautious.

 

[PikOsyris88]

The original post in this thread is ridiculous. This is just my opinion.

Did you think I meant to say that people who take steroids can’t work stressful jobs? Because I really just wanted to know how it might affect that situation. Just questions.

I watched a video of a guy that mentioned how anabolic steroids affected his marriage, seems perfectly reasonable to ask how it would affect someone’s job.

 

[PikOsyris88]

And that's totally fine. Sometimes this place can get a little extra hard-core fast. Remember you're basically standing in a room full of alpha men who are yoked to the max and running a bunch of gear...and you're asking questions. Some of them are going to be aggressive just for fun, some of them are going to run you off because only the fit survive and some are going to be helpful. Just wade through the shit and you will be OK.

A good word of advice however is to research using the search deal in the top right corner. Any questions you are considering asking just type the key words into the search and see what pops up. You will learn a ton and save yourself some heartache. GL pal.

P.S. taking testosterone and doing the activities you mentioned is going to lean you up some.

Thanks dude. I'm kinda having fun with it. Text doesn’t translate everything. Text doesn’t translate everything. I’m as toxic as anyone else at times.. lol it's all good

 

[PikOsyris88]

Bruh lol wut

im one of those hard core alpha men i have deca dick and its small and im gay GET THE FUCK ON

 

[Cyp180]

So people who take Tren, does it affect your ability to be calm and focused at work? I work a very serious and stressful job, that requires me to make tough decisions and work with others under stress and I just wonder how being roided up would affect things. Never personally met a jacked person who worked a very serious job.

I think you should consider Ashwagandha

 

[PikOsyris88]

I think you should .I’ve already been taken out for like three months along with a bunch of other herbs

I think you should consider Ashwagandha

I’ve already been taking that for a couple months now.

 

[Resurgence]

Good info.

The commitment to TRT just seems hard to justify at my age. Do you think that my testosterone is low? Because my doc says that’s normal. As low as 250 is normal to him.

I really think I’m just going to play around with a few weeks of low dose peptides for HGH secretion. I'm only 34, my health is the best it’s ever been after decades of struggling with serious health problems.

I’m really just curious about all this stuff and want to learn so this is how I like to learn.

Heart problems are not really that big of a risk, when I say it runs in my family I really just mean that I’ve had a few family members that died of heart attacks at like 60. I'm sure lifestyle played a role. My dad is 64 and he has the cardio of a 21-year-old.

My concerns are more mild than some people here seem to think they are. I’m just a very cautious person. not scared just cautious.

I can understand that..I think myself and others just expressed concern from a good place the second you mentioned heart issues. Lifestyle choices definitely play a role in that, outside of possible hereditary issues. But that's why blood work is so handy, running your own labs is super easy anyway. With the amount of information freely available from people like anabolicdoc on how to interpret labs, easy to decipher on your own.

Well your total testosterone is in the 400s. Your free could be barely normal or below. Free is the important number. Most "physicians" see your levels within range and tell you you're fine, because that's not what they do, nor care to do or look further into for you. That right there says they are not who you should be seeing for your well-being other than getting sick. Been there done that. My cholesterol was barely high and they tried to get me on statins instead of trying natural remedies, diet changes, etc.

300 has consistently been the "bare minumum" marker for total testosterone. Now with the surge of guys getting on TRT in the last few years, insurance companies have lowered the number to 275, 250, back to back tests below these numbers to get them to pay. Might not be the correlation but that's the justification in my mind. Any doc who says 250 is still normal, especially at 34, is an idiot. I felt like absolute dog shit when my test was 297. I have consistently always been in great shape, worked out since I was 13, yadda yadda.

You can get on TRT with total in the 400s, as long as you're medically exhibiting symptoms of low T, but your insurance won't pay. In my opinion, it's low for your age. I'm 34 as well, and on TRT, have been for a few years now.

I am glad you're healthier now, but, obviously still not optimal.

 

[PikOsyris88]

I can understand that..I think myself and others just expressed concern from a good place the second you mentioned heart issues. Lifestyle choices definitely play a role in that, outside of possible hereditary issues. But that's why blood work is so handy, running your own labs is super easy anyway. With the amount of information freely available from people like anabolicdoc on how to interpret labs, easy to decipher on your own.

Well your total testosterone is in the 400s. Your free could be barely normal or below. Free is the important number. Most "physicians" see your levels within range and tell you you're fine, because that's not what they do, nor care to do or look further into for you. That right there says they are not who you should be seeing for your well-being other than getting sick. Been there done that. My cholesterol was barely high and they tried to get me on statins instead of trying natural remedies, diet changes, etc.

300 has consistently been the "bare minumum" marker for total testosterone. Now with the surge of guys getting on TRT in the last few years, insurance companies have lowered the number to 275, 250, back to back tests below these numbers to get them to pay. Might not be the correlation but that's the justification in my mind. Any doc who says 250 is still normal, especially at 34, is an idiot. I felt like absolute dog shit when my test was 297. I have consistently always been in great shape, worked out since I was 13, yadda yadda.

You can get on TRT with total in the 400s, as long as you're medically exhibiting symptoms of low T, but your insurance won't pay. In my opinion, it's low for your age. I'm 34 as well, and on TRT, have been for a few years now.

I am glad you're healthier now, but, obviously still not optimal.

I see you share my distrust for doctors as well. They are the reasons I had so many health problems for so long. Had me on steroid creams for such a long time that I wouldn't doubt it's had an effect on my overall hormone levels especially since getting off of them.

Big reason I kinda just wanna go with underground labs, and do it all myself but I know when it comes to TRT that could be very foolish.

I've been taking testosterone boosting herbs for a while now. Maybe I should just stick with those and mess around with some mild peptides for now. At least until I get the balls to go on TRT. Or just go to a clinic and just ask him some questions.

 

[Resurgence]

I see you share my distrust for doctors as well. They are the reasons I had so many health problems for so long. Had me on steroid creams for such a long time that I wouldn't doubt it's had an effect on my overall hormone levels especially since getting off of them.

Big reason I kinda just wanna go with underground labs, and do it all myself but I know when it comes to TRT that could be very foolish.

I've been taking testosterone boosting herbs for a while now. Maybe I should just stick with those and mess around with some mild peptides for now. At least until I get the balls to go on TRT. Or just go to a clinic and just ask him some questions.

What kind of steroid creams?

Yeah I don't trust doctors at all. Especially after the BS my dad dealt with at a renowned heart hospital. Specialists all disagreeing with each other, ones from the same field doing the same, making bogus claims that studied and science clearly disagree with just because it's outside their field of study, yadda yadda. Put my old man through the ringer lol.

Well you can do it all through UGL, and it's cheaper that way. Monitoring your own labs is easy. Cycling is a commitment just like TRT, only difference is one you come off of, the other you don't. Same difference in my book as far as commitment.

Using test boosting herbs if they are at clinically proven dosages should have your levels higher than they are, or maybe they would be worse without it. Personally can't speak on that.

You can try taking clomid (clomiphene) daily to boost testosterone through negative feed back loops. That is proven to work, and is typically the first line to see if it can pick up your natural test levels. Take a natural estrogen modulator with it like DIM & Chrysin. Can get more into that if you'd like.

 

[mass gain]

Did you think I meant to say that people who take steroids can’t work stressful jobs? Because I really just wanted to know how it might affect that situation. Just questions.

I watched a video of a guy that mentioned how anabolic steroids affected his marriage, seems perfectly reasonable to ask how it would affect someone’s job.

You are fine. I have just seen people trolling with that kind of lead in. If you aren't trolling it is fine.

Sure people can have shorter fuses on tren. I have experienced it myself. If you are in a stressful situation, I don't recommend being on a long or heavy tren cycle.

It can be hard to sleep on tren and you can sweat a ton and for me about midway through I actually start to feel not so good. The gains are there but the side effects are real.

IMO the trigger partly comes from the annoyance and wear of the other side effects I mentioned. The rest is the type of person you were coming into taking tren. If you are already a hothead, it can amplify your hothead tendencies. If you are not a hothead, it won't necessarily turn you into one but it can certainly alter your mood in a negative way.

 

[bornSkinny]

So people who take Tren, does it affect your ability to be calm and focused at work? I work a very serious and stressful job, that requires me to make tough decisions and work with others under stress and I just wonder how being roided up would affect things. Never personally met a jacked person who worked a very serious job.

What did the jacked people you have met do for a living?

 

[Certified Bub]

What did the jacked people you have met do for a living?

Fuck bitches, trade crypto

 

[PikOsyris88]

What kind of steroid creams?

Yeah I don't trust doctors at all. Especially after the BS my dad dealt with at a renowned heart hospital. Specialists all disagreeing with each other, ones from the same field doing the same, making bogus claims that studied and science clearly disagree with just because it's outside their field of study, yadda yadda. Put my old man through the ringer lol.

Well you can do it all through UGL, and it's cheaper that way. Monitoring your own labs is easy. Cycling is a commitment just like TRT, only difference is one you come off of, the other you don't. Same difference in my book as far as commitment.

Using test boosting herbs if they are at clinically proven dosages should have your levels higher than they are, or maybe they would be worse without it. Personally can't speak on that.

You can try taking clomid (clomiphene) daily to boost testosterone through negative feed back loops. That is proven to work, and is typically the first line to see if it can pick up your natural test levels. Take a natural estrogen modulator with it like DIM & Chrysin. Can get more into that if you'd like.

I'm definitely into natural supplements. If you recommend some, id probably order on Amazon right now. Got a dozen I take daily. Looks like Chysin is an aromatase inhibiter. I've heard of athletes doing that. That's as far as I know about it. Is it safe? Please go more into it.

 

[PikOsyris88]

What did the jacked people you have met do for a living?

Private gym owners, social media, strippers... A guy at my work with huge lats just works a construction type job. I think he's on gear. That job is physically stressful, but not mentally.

I control a large water system, in California. We're running out of water here, have a faulty system and our company is very greedy when it comes to being cost effective. So I can't make a single mistake and I work a rotating shift. One week graveyard, one week day shift. Etc. No weekends off.

 

[PikOsyris88]

You are fine. I have just seen people trolling with that kind of lead in. If you aren't trolling it is fine.

Sure people can have shorter fuses on tren. I have experienced it myself. If you are in a stressful situation, I don't recommend being on a long or heavy tren cycle.

It can be hard to sleep on tren and you can sweat a ton and for me about midway through I actually start to feel not so good. The gains are there but the side effects are real.

IMO the trigger partly comes from the annoyance and wear of the other side effects I mentioned. The rest is the type of person you were coming into taking tren. If you are already a hothead, it can amplify your hothead tendencies. If you are not a hothead, it won't necessarily turn you into one but it can certainly alter your mood in a negative way.

I can be a dick sometimes. Irritable at times. But I think I'm one of the calmest people I know.

But my original post was mostly to find out if I making hard decisions and handling stress would be worsened on Tren. Sounds like it would.