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is Testosterone a weak anabolic/muscle builder?
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Astartes
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Yeah. I have to say this is a silly conversation. Many of us can personally dispute this assumption. ZD’s pic is a fundamental example. FIDO
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AbstractMind
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Yep!!
Anyone who has ever ran a test 500mg/wk and isn't abusing peds can tell you how effective it is.
The first cycle I ran was 500mg test e tornel which means it was probably closer to 350mg and I gained 20lbs in 10wks and I knew nothing about a proper diet.
I like primo and test.
The first cycle I ran was 500mg test e tornel which means it was probably closer to 350mg and I gained 20lbs in 10wks and I knew nothing about a proper diet.
I like primo and test.
AlwaysHungry
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Testosterone works ! It's boring anabolic but it works , you sprinkle some AI a little DHT here and there GH of course and you can blast an oral a couple times.
If you know what you're doing you're gonna have good results , just don't expect that anabolic look and don't expect gains to be fun like tren.
All anabolics works either you run it with test or alone or you do combinations. They're a human made chemical that it's purpose is to add LBM. So pick your poison.
Gains are roughly equal doesn't matter if you're on 500mg test or 500mg deca or 500mg tren ! Change my mind !! Total dosage matters. So find on what you respond the best.
The general wisdom is you either run High test for growing
Or high nandro
Because they're "simillar" that's the injectable bases for growing.
If you know what you're doing you're gonna have good results , just don't expect that anabolic look and don't expect gains to be fun like tren.
All anabolics works either you run it with test or alone or you do combinations. They're a human made chemical that it's purpose is to add LBM. So pick your poison.
Gains are roughly equal doesn't matter if you're on 500mg test or 500mg deca or 500mg tren ! Change my mind !! Total dosage matters. So find on what you respond the best.
The general wisdom is you either run High test for growing
Or high nandro
Because they're "simillar" that's the injectable bases for growing.
Just my opinion but I think test in isolation is not paticularly effective outside of increasing recovery.
High Test+GH = Powerful
Hight Test+GH+Slin = More Powerful
Enough test for sex function +Deca or Primo or tren or whatever anabolic agrees with = Powerful
Ive done 500mg test and for me it is pretty much on par with 150mg test + 25mg var per day. And I am someone who doesn't get estro sides from test like bloating etc.
High Test+GH = Powerful
Hight Test+GH+Slin = More Powerful
Enough test for sex function +Deca or Primo or tren or whatever anabolic agrees with = Powerful
Ive done 500mg test and for me it is pretty much on par with 150mg test + 25mg var per day. And I am someone who doesn't get estro sides from test like bloating etc.
CaptainAll
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Would you recommend Anadrol as an anabolic to add to Test TRT, Primo and HGh?
VenomYo
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ive done 3grams of test, it doesnt do jack shit except bloat you
Is that what counts as mass nowadays? a shit ton of water and glycogen supercompensation. Nah fam I dont like looking like the michellin man, and I know for a fact that test doesnt build much muscle compared to almost every other compound. But go ahead, keep telling yourself that a) a first cycle of 250mg is worth a damn (LOL) and b) that high test does jack shit (it doesnt)
THis shouldnt even be up for debate. its just a bunch of oldheads trying to gatekeep the real gains, so they keep repeating this old mantra from the 60's "hur dur test is best, hur dur first cycle 250mg is all you need", meanwhile they themselves are blasting insulin, mast, gh, test, deca and a fuckton of orals, but as far as you're concerned you should just stick to a low dose of test. What a fucking joke man, gtfo
Is that what counts as mass nowadays? a shit ton of water and glycogen supercompensation. Nah fam I dont like looking like the michellin man, and I know for a fact that test doesnt build much muscle compared to almost every other compound. But go ahead, keep telling yourself that a) a first cycle of 250mg is worth a damn (LOL) and b) that high test does jack shit (it doesnt)
THis shouldnt even be up for debate. its just a bunch of oldheads trying to gatekeep the real gains, so they keep repeating this old mantra from the 60's "hur dur test is best, hur dur first cycle 250mg is all you need", meanwhile they themselves are blasting insulin, mast, gh, test, deca and a fuckton of orals, but as far as you're concerned you should just stick to a low dose of test. What a fucking joke man, gtfo
VenomYo
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funny thing is, put most of these high test advocates under a lie detector and youll quickly find out that test is the smallest part of their cycle by a mile
VenomYo
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100% accurate and everyone knows it. Test needs to be run at the bare minimum, just enough to maintain good sexual function, that is the role of test, nothing else.
Theworm
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This same conversation happened a few years back.
For me, test 500 added much better gains than 100 mg test and 400 mg deca.
As for the poster who thinks test doesn’t add muscle, total nonsense, where’s the evidence? As for the science, 600 mg test for 20 weeks added just under 20 pounds of lean gains, see attached:
For me, test 500 added much better gains than 100 mg test and 400 mg deca.
As for the poster who thinks test doesn’t add muscle, total nonsense, where’s the evidence? As for the science, 600 mg test for 20 weeks added just under 20 pounds of lean gains, see attached:
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As far as I know almost every other anabolic was created to be more anabolic and have less sides than test. Otherwise muscle wasting patients would just be prescribed test in various doses no?
Again my opinion, but I think the only reason guys run 2g of test is because that is what is required to maintain sexual and mental function when your on
1-1.5g of other anabolics. Im guessing everyone has different ratios of test:anabolics to feel good.
If you run 150mg test and 900 primo, 350 tren and 500 EQ you probably won't feel great.
I know the difference between water and tissue lol
I've been running gear for over 8 years.
It was Ian Vaillere who said Chris only ran 500mg in his OFFSEASON. He was his coach at the time. Not sure why Ian would lie about what Chris runs when Ian also discloses his own cycles. Chris is almost at the top of his weight cap so it would give him nothing to run tonnes of shit in the offseason just to shrink back down contest time. You seem to think gear does all the work and are ignoring the fact Bumstead is in the top .0001% of genetics on the planet. Guy would have mogged anywhere on here when he was 18 let alone after years of competing
Everyone has a opinion and a butt hole but that doesn't mean that he should use it
Jon Skywalker is the worst example ever.
Yeah test can bloat you and add a lot on the scale, but when the water comes off you'll have more muscle underneath than if you were to run dry compounds.
I've always felt that the extra estrogen helps facilitate a growing environment and helps other computers to their potential
I've always felt that the extra estrogen helps facilitate a growing environment and helps other computers to their potential
CaptainAll
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Test moonface is epic
CaptainAll
Member
But the truth is that all pros, today or 90’s, ram test along with Anabolics, and for a reason.
Kevin Levrone:
600 Test
400 Deca
100mg Anadrol ED
And so most of other pros. I personally grow much better on Anadrol than test. And real Anapolon does not make me retain any water whatsoever, unlike test.
Kevin Levrone:
600 Test
400 Deca
100mg Anadrol ED
And so most of other pros. I personally grow much better on Anadrol than test. And real Anapolon does not make me retain any water whatsoever, unlike test.
The logic doesn't follow here.
If someone inject 3 whole grams of ANY AAS and then discontinued, they would all end up in the same position when all is said and done. This is simply because most don't need and won't see any additional benefit from extreme dosages regardless of the AAS.
If you are saying that 3 grams of testosterone used accordingly would result in a great number and degree of side effects (specifically excessive water retention / bloat /etc) when compared to 3 grams of other injectables, I don't think you would find much objection.
But instead of making that argument, you are asserting something completely different i.e. testosterone is useless at building more contractile muscle. I don't think you even believe that.
Testosterone, at equivalent dosages, will have similar results are far as contractile muscle. And taking into consideration your implication, I agree that the excessive bloat and water retention doesn't count as "real gains".
So at most, the perception that test create more dramatic gains (because of the excessive bodyweight gained due to water retention/bloat/etc) is misleading and inaccurate.
And most do minimize the test component in their stack specifically to minimize the harm of those side effects (as well as potential for synergy). It doesn't mean test couldn't get the job done - it just would likely come at a much greater cost in terms of side effects. At least that is the rationale for most people - maximizing "real" results and minimizing harm.
