Do you go to cruise during an athletic tournament?

[wedorecover]

For my next comp I’m going to run
Test c 500
Npp 450
50 mg tbol
10 mg gw

 

[Jabbathehutt]

I train BJJ too and feel much better rolling when I'm on "sports trt" than full blast. I fell it does impact my cardio and also the pumps have negative impact, for example when framing or holding a choke my arms get so pumped that I can't hold for too long.

 

[cmK9s33]

That’s my lime lol!
At first if you have build an endurance base , nothing gonna screw the things significantly.

Yeah testosterone can decrease the capacity you have and every other anabolic. This is mainly because we also shift training more towards to hypertrophy and we care about build muscle and strength and not endurance.

However this has a big advantage if you train and you’re “heavy” and meet your goals. Then some weeks prior to the events you drop the testosterone dosage or completely or you can add also a dry agent like mast or primo.
Then you drop ALL the water ALL the heaviness and you’re better than before you’re lighter and you have kept the strength from anabolics so now it’s show time.
I’ve seen people running marathons while they carry loads and also on test tren.

If you use anabolics for athletic purposes you just need to have the right strategy.
The thing with us bodybuilders is that we get the anabolics wrong. We megadose them to add 2lb more and we live with side effects.
The reality is if you low dose (200test 200nand) then you’re gonna be better all around strength endurance agility (bigger,better,stronger,faster) you just DONT NEED HIGH DOSAGES FOR THIS PURPOSE.

PS: when I’m on nandrolone only my endurance game goes on another level for real so it’s just something to to thing about. There’s also a study on rats who were on nandrolone , they was able to run much much more distance than the rats who were natural.

Was this a TRT-ish type of dose when you tried this? Am I misinterpreting your statement or have you tried this multiple times?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Was this a TRT-ish type of dose when you tried this? Am I misinterpreting your statement or have you tried this multiple times?

Nandrolone only without testosterone maybe an inject of test every 15-20days or so.
Haven’t run deca alone lower than 1000mg but every time I run it alone without test my performance skyrockets both cardio and strength.
In combination with test my endurance goes to shit pretty fast

 

[Mongo966]

Do you drop to a cruise for a tournament (non-tested of course)? I do BJJ and figured I should drop to cruise 2 weeks before a tournament.

Obviously tren should be dropped, but curious about test and other compounds too.

Gordon Ryan didn't look like he was cruising at last year's adcc. He looked like a brick shithouse, juiced to the tits. I'd be interested to know what his doses actually were.

 

[cmK9s33]

Nandrolone only without testosterone maybe an inject of test every 15-20days or so.
Haven’t run deca alone lower than 1000mg but every time I run it alone without test my performance skyrockets both cardio and strength.
In combination with test my endurance goes to shit pretty fast

1,000mg and it improves your cardio?!? That's wild. a gram of nearly anything would smash my conditioning. Strength improvement sure lol.

So 1g of nandrolone is a better performance enhancer for you than (for example) 200 test+200 nand?

Out of curiosity, have you ever used nandrolone and EQ without testosterone? Or at least your bare minimum once every 2-3 week testosterone injection?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

1,000mg and it improves your cardio?!? That's wild. a gram of nearly anything would smash my conditioning. Strength improvement sure lol.

So 1g of nandrolone is a better performance enhancer for you than (for example) 200 test+200 nand?

Out of curiosity, have you ever used nandrolone and EQ without testosterone? Or at least your bare minimum once every 2-3 week testosterone injection?

Yeah that’s weird I attribute the performance enchantment come from its anabolic activity without bring the huge water retention also the relief of joints plays a role.
I’ve used equipoise solo at 1g it didn’t give me the performance enchantment that nandrolone gave me.

Testosterone if it’s more than my trt dose then my cardio goes to shit.

 

[EXCELLENTMENTALHEALTH]

Cardio and talent. Those are the things that work, and you don't need steroids to develop either. You should already know where you stand cardio wise. If you don't, then your already in trouble.

You seem to fishing for a particular answer, but I have no idea what answer you'll be willing to accept.

I get conflicting answers is what I'm getting at. I thought dropping to cruise was the answer but a lot of people saying otherwise here.

Gordon Ryan didn't look like he was cruising at last year's adcc. He looked like a brick shithouse, juiced to the tits. I'd be interested to know what his doses actually were.

Well he may very well have dropped to cruise 2 weeks before the comp. I'd love to know what he cycles though.

 

[wedorecover]

For me even just the mental of dropping to a cruse would fuck with me

 

[wedorecover]

I much prefer to complete on cycle. Like @Eman said you should have an idea of how your cycle is effecting your endurance from rolling in the gym.
Tren never negatively effects my cardio tho I just run it at 150mg usually.
I feel like most of the people who say test effects endurance are people who don't have much of an aerobic base to begin with.
are matches are usually 10 mins long not ultra marathons so the strength to "lost" endurance ratio is worth it to stay on cycle imo.
Test EQ T-bol is by far my favorite cycle for BJJ. If you've never tried Tbol highly suggest it seems to be slept on in the bodybuilding community for the most part but I find it to be better than anavar in everyway for strength/endurance

What’s up brother I’m walking around at 195 right now I think I’m going to a no gi you think the 188 class is where I should go it’s either that or 202 and then boys up there are gonna be monsters probably coming down from 220

 

[Leg_locker]

What’s up brother I’m walking around at 195 right now I think I’m going to a no gi you think the 188 class is where I should go it’s either that or 202 and then boys up there are gonna be monsters probably coming down from 220

I would drop down the the 188. 7 pounds is nothing to lose especially since most tournaments have a 1-2 pound weight allowance.
188 is still a good weight If you do the absolute.

 

[wedorecover]

I would drop down the the 188. 7 pounds is nothing to lose especially since most tournaments have a 1-2 pound weight allowance.
188 is still a good weight If you do the absolute.

Imma do no gi so iv been working with my wrestling coach on my take downs / and take down defense … it’s not tell the beginning of bext year but iv been working on my cardio hard

 

[Leg_locker]

Imma do no gi so iv been working with my wrestling coach on my take downs / and take down defense … it’s not tell the beginning of bext year but iv been working on my cardio hard

That's lots of time to prep. One of the hardest things I had to learn was staying within recoverable volume in the weight room always felt like I should be doing more but I always think of Lee Haney's phrase "Stimulate, don't annihilate".
It's super easy to overtrain if you lift like a bodybuilder going to failure then go hard on the mats (especially wrestling).

 

[wedorecover]

That's lots of time to prep. One of the hardest things I had to learn was staying within recoverable volume in the weight room always felt like I should be doing more but I always think of Lee Haney's phrase "Stimulate, don't annihilate".
It's super easy to overtrain if you lift like a bodybuilder going to failure then go hard on the mats (especially wrestling).

I think that’s just in some of us brother I don’t think I could ever feel like I’m doing enough …. But I’m definitely going to have to stay in a good range and not do to much …

 

[SonhoDourado]

That's lots of time to prep. One of the hardest things I had to learn was staying within recoverable volume in the weight room always felt like I should be doing more but I always think of Lee Haney's phrase "Stimulate, don't annihilate".
It's super easy to overtrain if you lift like a bodybuilder going to failure then go hard on the mats (especially wrestling).

100%- Especially good advice for older grapplers. The 18-25 year olds generally disregard this advice but you can burn the candle at both ends in that age range lol.

BJJ/Weight training in your 30-50s is a whole different ballgame. It’s a delicate dance trying to balance life,diet,work,kids/wife, gym,and the mats. For former athletes like myself it was a very rude reality check of what aging does to the body. After 20 years of wrestling and 30 years of weight training my body was a bit worn. I ran test and eq for my first 4 months of training. I wouldn’t do it again tbh. I was training 5-6 days at the gym and 3-4 on that mats. It was too much and I perpetually felt beat up no matter how easy or hard I rolled. The reality was at near 40 no amount of gear,diet,recovery,or mobility routine would enable me to match the pace of a 20 something on the mat!

The solution for me was 150-200mg sports TRT dose with ample weights,yoga,and cardio. Dropped from 215 down to 195-200 and feel leaps and bounds better. Still strong yet I’m not carrying extra poundage. The next goal is to make it to 180-185 and see how I feel there. Ideally for health it’s probably better anyway in my mid 40’s to be lean and mean rather than Andre Galvao’d out on the açaí and jesus.

 

[redmanzzz]

Do you drop to a cruise for a tournament (non-tested of course)? I do BJJ and figured I should drop to cruise 2 weeks before a tournament.

Obviously tren should be dropped, but curious about test and other compounds too.

Yes you would want to lower your dose for optimal endurance. And def take tren out or you will gas out quick

 

[LGOP528]

That's lots of time to prep. One of the hardest things I had to learn was staying within recoverable volume in the weight room always felt like I should be doing more but I always think of Lee Haney's phrase "Stimulate, don't annihilate".
It's super easy to overtrain if you lift like a bodybuilder going to failure then go hard on the mats (especially wrestling).

Are you able to do compound lifts and train a lot? My conditioning has really tanked the last few weeks and I am trying to figure out why. I have pretty much added what everyone said not to do in this thread though. I started lifting on top of training hard 5 days a week. Started a 500test/ 100NPP/200mast cycle. All of this is after the winter comp cycle in my area.

 

[Leg_locker]

Are you able to do compound lifts and train a lot? My conditioning has really tanked the last few weeks and I am trying to figure out why. I have pretty much added what everyone said not to do in this thread though. I started lifting on top of training hard 5 days a week. Started a 500test/ 100NPP/200mast cycle. All of this is after the winter comp cycle in my area.

I still do all the major compound lifts other than traditional deadlifts will only ever use the trap bar. I also prefer SSB or zecher squats over back squats.
Iv been loosely doing the conjugate method lately and have been feeling it's really good for all aspects strength conditioning and recovery.
What is your current lifting routine like? It does sound like your not recovering properly if your conditioning tanked after u started lifting

 

[LGOP528]

I still do all the major compound lifts other than traditional deadlifts will only ever use the trap bar. I also prefer SSB or zecher squats over back squats.
Iv been loosely doing the conjugate method lately and have been feeling it's really good for all aspects strength conditioning and recovery.
What is your current lifting routine like? It does sound like your not recovering properly if your conditioning tanked after u started lifting

My recovery definitely sucks. Im not sure how some of these people fit in work, family, bjj, and lifting. One day of rest, 5 days of bjj, and two days of lifting. I am doing squat, OHP, rows then I do some work for shoulder stability and bicep work. The compound lifts are for 8-10 reps with weights that keep a medium bar speed. I went with compound lifts because that is what I know and just wanted to get in the gym and create the habit.

 

[Leg_locker]

My recovery definitely sucks. Im not sure how some of these people fit in work, family, bjj, and lifting. One day of rest, 5 days of bjj, and two days of lifting. I am doing squat, OHP, rows then I do some work for shoulder stability and bicep work. The compound lifts are for 8-10 reps with weights that keep a medium bar speed. I went with compound lifts because that is what I know and just wanted to get in the gym and create the habit.

2 days a week full body is a good place to start. Maybe try splitting your weight room sessions into a heavy upper/ dynamic lower, heavy lower/dynamic upper so your not killing your whole body at once plus working on speed/foce production will have way more benefits than just simply training in the hypertrophy range for BJJ.
Something else that I fined helped tremendously is adding in plyometrics and corrective exercises for active recovery.