(US) Long term stash planning BIG Thread

[Ghoul]

Well, I've only heard "crickets" from your detracters today, except early this morning. But since then, there's been a shit-storm on both ends of the line. So, pick either end... same storm wipes both. Anxious to hear a response.

The raws situation is not something I expected, and while that's yet another avenue of potential grief, the main issue that will interrupt business as usual is the end of de minimus as we know it. That's a certainty at this point.

How long it'll take a new replacement way of getting steroids to develop is unknown. Maybe a month. Maybe a year. No one knows. There will probably be experimentation by the surviving vendors to see which methods work. But none will be as easy as we've had it in the past few years. And harder means more expensive, less choice, and probably even more potential disruptions.

In the meantime, there's a real risk oils may be impacted, so those relying on TRT would be wise to make sure they grab a few extra vials so they don't end up increasingly depressed and weak, begging some unsympathetic doctor for a prescription he's reluctant to give, or turn to TRT clinics that may end up targets of the FDA like the adderall prescribing docs have.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Maybe this could motivate some inhouse American raw suppliers to make America great again

Like back in the day when you would get pharma gear that "fell off a truck". "Did I write 900lbs of Test raw? That was a mistake it was only 600"

 

[Ghoul]

Like back in the day when you would get pharma gear that "fell off a truck". "Did I write 900lbs of Test raw? That was a mistake it was only 600"

If only. Read up on how the DEA has essentially eliminated drug diversion from pharmacies and manufacturers and you'll see those days are never coming back.

A pharmacy worker drops a single tab of a controlled substance and they can't find it, it's a huge amount of paperwork. Lose a bottle of 30 and agents will be on scene to investigate within 24 hours.

 

[FlemDaddyKush]

For the FUCKING TEN THOUSANDTH TIME. Yes, you always be able to buy anything you want, but there's a BIG difference between being able to easily order a kit of Test Cyp 250 for $40 and a half kilo of raws at rock bottom prices in 5 minutes from China, and have it shipped to your house with a 99.9% success rate, and buying black tar heroin.

shits already dirt cheap, this is part of the game. people need to be worried about more important things like the EARN IT act (anti encryption). cuz when theres no encryption, not many will still be ballsy enough to sell drugs online when their true identity is exposed.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

I just placed a nice sized order to get me through the meso apocalypse!!

Legit did order outta China about 20mins ago.

 

[DECLAN]

shits already dirt cheap, this is part of the game. people need to be worried about more important things like the EARN IT act (anti encryption). cuz when theres no encryption, not many will still be ballsy enough to sell drugs online when their true identity is exposed.

Remember back when we lost all our hush mail accounts? Nothing is safe, they’ll get you if they want. And speaking of that, for all the regular customers of busted ugls, ever wonder what happened to their clientele lists? I bet LE have it they just don’t care to prosecute end users.

 

[narta]

If you are new to the game you panick buy your ass and then soma. If you are long enough in it, you have your stash and wait till this blows over like it always does. Maybe one month, one year or three but it will pass.

Have mi half kg test and enough anabolics to wait it out.

 

[bigMoJo]

shits already dirt cheap, this is part of the game. people need to be worried about more important things like the EARN IT act (anti encryption). cuz when theres no encryption, not many will still be ballsy enough to sell drugs online when their true identity is exposed.

Are you sure "Earn It" is for what you say? The legislation, from what I just read, says it's to prevent online child sexual exploitation. Would you mind linking literature to outline and point to what you are referring?

 

[bigMoJo]

I just placed a nice sized order to get me through the meso apocalypse!!

Legit did order outta China about 20mins ago.

Wonderful, no BJs for vials for you.

 

[Tkjo]

The raws situation is not something I expected, and while that's yet another avenue of potential grief, the main issue that will interrupt business as usual is the end of de minimus as we know it. That's a certainty at this point.

How long it'll take a new replacement way of getting steroids to develop is unknown. Maybe a month. Maybe a year. No one knows. There will probably be experimentation by the surviving vendors to see which methods work. But none will be as easy as we've had it in the past few years. And harder means more expensive, less choice, and probably even more potential disruptions.

In the meantime, there's a real risk oils may be impacted, so those relying on TRT would be wise to make sure they grab a few extra vials so they don't end up increasingly depressed and weak, begging some unsympathetic doctor for a prescription he's reluctant to give, or turn to TRT clinics that may end up targets of the FDA like the adderall prescribing docs have.

My source, a lesser known op out of China, claims they stock their US warehouse via formal shipment methods. They claim to not use de minimus for their bulk shipments. I wont assume that de minimus form shipping will be the only type that changes, ocean freight shipping could change. But I really think you oversimplify how they move their product into the US. I would be in over my head if I said I understood. I think most people would unless you have experience in logistics for UGL/steroid vendor business. What I expect is we see shipping reform in an omnibus or large package bill and it gets tapered down to some middle ground that ecomm companies and the fed can agree on, and that manufacturers of raws come around after 6-12months. And that distributors or vendors find one of the many ways to get illicit substances into the largest money market and consumer of illicit substances. This whole topic seems to be coming from someone who hyperfixates.

 

[FlemDaddyKush]

Remember back when we lost all our hush mail accounts? Nothing is safe, they’ll get you if they want. And speaking of that, for all the regular customers of busted ugls, ever wonder what happened to their clientele lists? I bet LE have it they just don’t care to prosecute end users.

yeah your right for the most part, its hard to stay completely anonymous nowadays unless you really know what yoir doing.and yeah LE does end up with lists of custies but luckily roids are not high on their priority list. i almost feel like protonmail is the feds themselves haha, its been proven its not completely safe but we all use it still cuz its convienant

 

[FlemDaddyKush]

Are you sure "Earn It" is for what you say? The legislation, from what I just read, says it's to prevent online child sexual exploitation. Would you mind linking literature to outline and point to what you are referring?

they are using child porn as an exscuse to stop encryption, and to make it so LE has backdoor access to everything. dont be oblivious to the situation like the rest of the world is. if you cant read between the lines and actually do research yourself why should i waste my time helping you. i know that last line sounded harsh but i wasnt trying to be mean.

 

[Kiraa710]

Just secured a kilo of test, good luck boys.

 

[bigMoJo]

they are using child porn as an exscuse to stop encryption, and to make it so LE has backdoor access to everything. dont be oblivious to the situation like the rest of the world is. if you cant read between the lines and actually do research yourself why should i waste my time helping you. i know that last line sounded harsh but i wasnt trying to be mean.

Read bewteen the lines? Sure... I can cite a half-dozen other laws already enacted that already allow "backdoor access" to LE, by reading between the lines:
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act;
Electronic Communications Privacy Act;
Quantum Computing Cybersecurity; Preparedness Act;
 HIPAA;
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act;
The Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard;
and, numerous national security executive orders and memorandum allowing such.

Read between the lines on this: come back when you have something substantive to post, rather than jacking me off and wasting MY time.

I hope that didn't come off harsh, I wasn't trying to be mean.

 

[Ghoul]

My source, a lesser known op out of China, claims they stock their US warehouse via formal shipment methods. They claim to not use de minimus for their bulk shipments. I wont assume that de minimus form shipping will be the only type that changes, ocean freight shipping could change. But I really think you oversimplify how they move their product into the US. I would be in over my head if I said I understood. I think most people would unless you have experience in logistics for UGL/steroid vendor business. What I expect is we see shipping reform in an omnibus or large package bill and it gets tapered down to some middle ground that ecomm companies and the fed can agree on, and that manufacturers of raws come around after 6-12months. And that distributors or vendors find one of the many ways to get illicit substances into the largest money market and consumer of illicit substances. This whole topic seems to be coming from someone who hyperfixates.

Thanks for the ad hominem dig at the end. I'll open with mine.

Your opinion seems to come from someone who's myopic, and a little intellectually dishonest.

Once again weak logic covers itself with a straw man argument. "They'll find a way to get it into the largest market.". No shit? You don't say? You mean like heroin and cocaine, they can somehow get it into the US? Wow, you're a genius.

Dearest shallow thinker, the point has been that the market will change, for the worse, from the status quo, and that it would be wise, if one wanted the best price and selection, to take action sooner rather than later: Do you understand?

Which methods do all the Chinese suppliers use to send the lowest priced, widest selection of product to customers?

Let me help you.

There's ONE. De minimus.

And no, there will be no "compromise".

"Oh, ok, China, we'll tell customs to allow a certain amount of smuggling to take place".

De minimus import limits will be slashed, data integrity of the customs declarations will be enforced with an iron fist so the shipping companies will be unwilling to risk their business for the minuscule profit of a few packs of contraband, which will have to, of course, provide false declarations.

And again, for those slow to comprehend, the end result will NOT BE COMPLETE UNAVAILABILITY, but higher prices, less selection, and lower quality than was available at the time I advised "stocking up" to take advantage of what had been a very good AAS market.

 

[FlemDaddyKush]

Read bewteen the lines? Sure... I can cite a half-dozen other laws already enacted that already allow "backdoor access" to LE, by reading between the lines:
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act;
Electronic Communications Privacy Act;
Quantum Computing Cybersecurity; Preparedness Act;
 HIPAA;
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act;
The Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard;
and, numerous national security executive orders and memorandum allowing such.

Read between the lines on this: come back when you have something substantive to post, rather than jacking me off and wasting MY time.

I hope that didn't come off harsh, I wasn't trying to be mean.

while all those are pretty neat, most were from 1986 and are not centered on eliminating encryption

 

[FlemDaddyKush]

Thanks for the ad hominem dig at the end. I'll open with mine.

Your opinion seems to come from someone who's myopic, and a little intellectually dishonest.

Once again weak logic covers itself with a straw man argument. "They'll find a way to get it into the largest market.". No shit? You don't say? You mean like heroin and cocaine, they can somehow get it into the US? Wow, you're a genius.

Dearest shallow thinker, the point has been that the market will change, for the worse, from the status quo, and that it would be wise, if one wanted the best price and selection, to take action sooner rather than later: Do you understand?

Which methods do all the Chinese suppliers use to send the lowest priced, widest selection of product to customers?

Let me help you.

There's ONE. De minimus.

And no, there will be no "compromise".

"Oh, ok, China, we'll tell customs to allow a certain amount of smuggling to take place".

De minimus import limits will be slashed, data integrity of the customs declarations will be enforced with an iron fist so the shipping companies will be unwilling to risk their business for the minuscule profit of a few packs of contraband, which will have to, of course, provide false declarations.

And again, for those slow to comprehend, the end result will NOT BE COMPLETE UNAVAILABILITY, but higher prices, less selection, and lower quality than was available at the time I advised "stocking up" to take advantage of what had been a very good AAS market.

customs only inspects a small % of incoming packages

 

[nightprowler7]

customs only inspects a small % of incoming packages

Believe me bro, you’re not going to win this argument. He’s got enough meth and PTO to make you regret you ever acknowledged him.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

It's interesting all the arguing about who's right or wrong.

Bottom lines....
It is indeed coming to a head so to speak, now weather that causes a huge issue in the supply/market remains to be seen.

I see allot of people scurrying to get stuff orderd things of people asking same crap over n over again.
Just settle down take a deep breath, alittle patients will do wonders

 

[bigMoJo]

while all those are pretty neat, most were from 1986 and are not centered on eliminating encryption

neither is the EARN IT act