(US) Long term stash planning BIG Thread

[Dirthand]

Better to let a member "panic buy" (I'd call that simple procrastination) before a source decides it's better to hang on to their raws for potentially making overpriced oils later, isn't it?

One of the sources NP through out there for op slings powder only.. he doesn't make oil.. I was chatting privately with him on telegram this morning... He is being overwhelmed... He is already having to pick and choose who to service.. So no I wouldn't want to add to that by sending new people his way at the moment. That's just my perogative though.. doesn't make it right or wrong.. I get what your saying!!
Peace
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[Ghoul]

That’s pretty rich coming from the someone who sounds so sure of something we haven’t seen.

So it's "insufferable" for someone to suggest, on a very credible basis, that there's a possibility of a supply distribution so get what you need while it's cheap and available? The same product you'd buy anyway, simply doing so earlier, which would eliminate any concern about that potential disruption?

What kind of logic stands up and says "No! No! Don't do that! Wait until the problem is upon us!"

You speak as if once it happens, you know there will be plenty of advance warning.

This can only come from a position of comforting ignorance. There's plenty to be "seen" in as far as the significance of changes to the primary mechanism that's allowed cheap and easy access to AAS in the US.

Again, can you explain clearly what "harm" you're preventing with your advice to not prepare, keep just what's needed on hand, and be confident that when it's needed, it'll be readily available?

 

[readalot]

I stocked up on pharma test but this is very interesting to watch play out. Thanks for all your efforts @Ghoul !

 

[Tkjo]

Thanks for the ad hominem dig at the end. I'll open with mine.

Your opinion seems to come from someone who's myopic, and a little intellectually dishonest.

Once again weak logic covers itself with a straw man argument. "They'll find a way to get it into the largest market.". No shit? You don't say? You mean like heroin and cocaine, they can somehow get it into the US? Wow, you're a genius.

Dearest shallow thinker, the point has been that the market will change, for the worse, from the status quo, and that it would be wise, if one wanted the best price and selection, to take action sooner rather than later: Do you understand?

Which methods do all the Chinese suppliers use to send the lowest priced, widest selection of product to customers?

Let me help you.

There's ONE. De minimus.

And no, there will be no "compromise".

"Oh, ok, China, we'll tell customs to allow a certain amount of smuggling to take place".

De minimus import limits will be slashed, data integrity of the customs declarations will be enforced with an iron fist so the shipping companies will be unwilling to risk their business for the minuscule profit of a few packs of contraband, which will have to, of course, provide false declarations.

And again, for those slow to comprehend, the end result will NOT BE COMPLETE UNAVAILABILITY, but higher prices, less selection, and lower quality than was available at the time I advised "stocking up" to take advantage of what had been a very good AAS market.

We’re probably both right in what we think of each others pov. That’s just a pretty rich comeback from someone who sounds absolutely sure of himself. The first post on here sounds arrogant “With the sun setting on Le Golden age of cheap bull testes serum” like please man I highly doubt you’re the guy. I tried to emphasize I’m not that guy either. Reminds me of my buddy, engineer who literally cannot be wrong, pulls out claims that supposedly can’t be refuted at all and ultimately needs to dial back his adderall or misdiagnosed himself. His logic is robotic and he hyper fixates on one thing. I probably am short sighted on what will happen but I’m not denying it. I just believe the price changes will be smaller than what you expect. Or no change at all. I never said it would disappear and you’re mistaking me for others who are mistaking your argument. Hyperfixation. Seems you’re not going anywhere so I’ll be watching the minute by minute updates on this throughout the next year. But assuming the reform goes through this winter, I’ll give it 3-6 months maybe a year until I cross you off as someone who made me us all buy $1000 of powder for nothing.

 

[Ghoul]

I stocked up on pharma test but this is very interesting to watch play out. Thanks for all your efforts @Ghoul !

It's infuriating to spend 2 years watching the legislation develop, reading the multi hundred page reports, listen to the hearings, countless press conferences from lawmakers, trade groups, unions, law enforcement. parents of victims, and President, while hundreds of millions of $ are moved into place for enforcement, then some very strong executive orders start rolling, the CBP engaging in massive construction projects, every shipper announcing their plan to comply with the new regime, Chinese mega corps spend billions buying up warehouse space to dodge this, and the very first official policy act the day after the election out of the White House is the announcement that cracking down on de minimus shipments is a top priority for implementation within a hundred days.

So I come into here and lay this out, suggesting it might be a good idea to get while the getting's good just in case of a disruption, and a couple of clowns with potato chip crumb covered shirts look up from their cartoons and say, "Nah, never gonna happen, it'll be business as usual, it's a terrible idea to buy extra gear.".

 

[Sampei]

I’m confused, man.

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I didn't specify there that the silica packet are in the second bag sealed around the sealed bag with oxygen absorbers.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

a couple of clowns with potato chip crumb covered shirts look up from their cartoons and say, "Nah, never gonna happen, it'll be business as usual, it's a terrible idea to buy extra gear.".

lol

 

[Tkjo]

It's infuriating to spend 2 years watching the legislation develop, reading the multi hundred page reports, listen to the hearings, countless press conferences from lawmakers, trade groups, unions, law enforcement. parents of victims, and President, while hundreds of millions of $ are moved into place for enforcement, then some very strong executive orders start rolling, the CBP engaging in massive construction projects, every shipper announcing their plan to comply with the new regime, Chinese mega corps buying up warehouse space to dodge this, and the very first official policy act the day after the election out of the White House is the announcement that cracking down on de minimus shipments is a top priority for
implementation within a hundred days.

So I come into here and lay this out, suggesting it might be a good idea to get while the getting's good, and a couple of clowns with potato chip crumb covered shirts look up from their cartoons and say, "Nah, never gonna happen, it'll be business as usual, it's a terrible idea to buy extra gear just in case.".

You either helped us all save thousands of dollars or things will be okay maybe slightly more expensive.

I really don’t want to cook this stuff in my tiny ass living space.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

I didn't specify there that the silica packet are in the second bag sealed around the sealed bag with oxygen absorbers.

How does the silica absorb moisture from outside of the sealed bag?

Is on the principle that nothing is truly air tight? For example balloons, or that guy who survived in a sunken ship by having air leech into his water-tight cabin through the walls?

 

[iris]

It's infuriating to spend 2 years watching the legislation develop, reading the multi hundred page reports, listen to the hearings, countless press conferences from lawmakers, trade groups, unions, law enforcement. parents of victims, and President, while hundreds of millions of $ are moved into place for enforcement, then some very strong executive orders start rolling, the CBP engaging in massive construction projects, every shipper announcing their plan to comply with the new regime, Chinese mega corps spend billions buying up warehouse space to dodge this, and the very first official policy act the day after the election out of the White House is the announcement that cracking down on de minimus shipments is a top priority for implementation within a hundred days.

So I come into here and lay this out, suggesting it might be a good idea to get while the getting's good just in case of a disruption, and a couple of clowns with potato chip crumb covered shirts look up from their cartoons and say, "Nah, never gonna happen, it'll be business as usual, it's a terrible idea to buy extra gear.".

I think the issue of new US legislation landscape is getting mixed up a little with what is going on in China and the clampdown on factories producing anabolic substances, at the moment.
Maybe the conflation of the two is creating some confusion, within the debate you are having here.

 

[Sampei]

How does the silica absorb moisture from outside of the sealed bag?

Is on the principle that nothing is truly air tight? For example balloons, or that guy who survived in a sunken ship by having air leech into his water-tight cabin through the walls?

If the first sealed bag fail you got the silica gel on the outer sealed bag that will catch any moisture.

I wouldn't like silica to contaminate my raw directly getting wet or whatever. It's probably not even needed to use them as if you have vacuum sealed the raw what kind of moisture can that be there?

I triple seal them: vacuum seal with oxygen and raw, vacuum seal that bag with silica gel, put in mylar bag and seal the mylar bag with one more oxygen absorber.

This is how I would store it.
You can ask @narta or other more expert ppl if you want a better opinion

 

[Grey Spartan]

haha its all good, let him live in a paranoia thinking he might have to spend a little more on roids and a little less on his meth and glp1s

Serious question, why the fuck would you need GLP-1s if you have meth?

 

[bighunanballs]

You either helped us all save thousands of dollars or things will be okay maybe slightly more expensive.

I really don’t want to cook this stuff in my tiny ass living space.

Queue the @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals post where Tracy says we might not see Chinese UGL masteron, Tren or deca raws/oils for a long time after everyone's current supplies dwindle to nothing.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

I triple seal them: vacuum seal with oxygen and raw, vacuum seal that bag with silica gel, put in mylar bag and seal the mylar bag with one more oxygen absorber.

Thanks man. I think I’ll vacuum seal the raw. Then put that bag in another bag with a silica gel and oxygen absorber, vacuum seal it. Then put it in a Mylar bag with another silica gel and oxygen absorber and vacuum seal that too. I’d rather the oxygen absorber not touch the raws.

I’ll make a bag for each year’s supply of oral raws. When I open a bag I’ll put it in an opaque glass bottle and microspoon my dosages from there. I won’t bother with a silica gel or o2 absorber for it as it’ll get used within a year.

One more question:
Won’t the vacuum sealing suck the raw powder? Or is the rate of vacuuming low enough to not do it?

 

[AlexDavis43]

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Oh man heated? Nice touch. Mine sends a stream of ice water directly at my keister. Two speeds: firehose and drizzle. Need a cigarette after the firehose.

 

[bighunanballs]

Oh man heated? Nice touch. Mine sends a stream of ice water directly at my keister. Two speeds: firehose and drizzle. Need a cigarette after the firehose.

We tried a tushy unheated using well water up in Maine a few years back. It only took three or four seconds before your butthole became completely numb and felt like it was being stabbed with thousands of needles. Pretty sure that well water up there could easily cause hypothermia in a few mins

 

[AlexDavis43]

I didn't know it was possible to take shitting so seriously. I only have a basic wand which is already invaluable.

A wand for cleaning the toilet or your asshole?

 

[Sampei]

Thanks man. I think I’ll vacuum seal the raw. Then put that bag in another bag with a silica gel and oxygen absorber, vacuum seal it. Then put it in a Mylar bag with another silica gel and oxygen absorber and vacuum seal that too. I’d rather the oxygen absorber not touch the raws.

I’ll make a bag for each year’s supply of oral raws. When I open a bag I’ll put it in an opaque glass bottle and microspoon my dosages from there. I won’t bother with a silica gel or o2 absorber for it as it’ll get used within a year.

One more question:
Won’t the vacuum sealing suck the raw powder? Or is the rate of vacuuming low enough to not do it?

the oxygen absorber with the raw in the same bag, my oxygen absorber are in plastic sealed nothing wrong in touching the raw.

No worries the vacuum sealer will not suck the powder don't worry..I used it at maximum intensity and it didn't happen

 

[nullandvoid]

A wand for cleaning the toilet or your asshole?

Actually both, but I meant just a basic bidet, the wand style you have to manually aim and use. It's nothing near as fancy as that Assblaster 3000.

 

[bigMoJo]

You either helped us all save thousands of dollars or things will be okay maybe slightly more expensive.

I really don’t want to cook this stuff in my tiny ass living space.

Hey bro,

You don't have to do anything, nothing is manadated here. Do what you are comfortable with, or don't do anything, no one is pressuring you.

Just to help out, if you want, just get:

A. A few vials of oil(s) they won't cost more than a $100 - $200 for a year's supply (or even less from some sources). Some vendors sell really low priced kits of 10, but you get what you pay for.
B. Raws... $100 to $200 will get you enough for multiple compounds @ 100g each, but of course that much can last about 3 to 5 years, maybe 10.
C. Peptides and HGH are not having issues, but some select peptides, like BPC157 will.
D. $80 to $100 of PCT / ancilaries will last 9 months to a year. But, there's no "panick" on that stuff at the moment.

All in all, if you're on a budget and don't want to brew, I'd say $300 would get you enough to weather the storm, unless you plan on using high end compounds like primo. Test is cheap.

Hope that helps.