musclesiege
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Are you back from t bagging other shills to get the shill of the month plaque?
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Sorry I was responding to a reference @B Ware made here to a period on MESO when there was essentially no restrictions and zero moderation;:
Some people still long for this type of freedom of speech as a method of holding sources "accountable".
And quite honestly, the zero moderation made it easy for MESO to avoid any perceived conflicts of interest: At a cost:
T-Bagger
Member
I do wonder though, why things like wishing one dead was stopped.
T-Bagger
Member
*zips up pants*
As I said at the time, I probably should have issued a permanent ban instead of a 3 month ban for the Naps threat containing those elements. If it happened today, I would. But I did not when it would have made a difference.
There are always lessons to learn from your mistakes. And issuing a temporary ban as the immediate response to a member who crossed the line in the Underground without considering context or intention and without giving them a warning first was the wrong approach.
Since then, automatic temporary bans have been avoided in favor of first-time warnings as the norm when violations occur in the Underground subforum,
However, as far as blatantly and repeatedly violating the rules again and again, members today, as they were then, will continue to be permanently banned for the deliberate non compliance.
As far as banning members for actually criticizing and holding sources accountable, it never happened then or before/since then.
The Steroid Underground subforum is begging Members to criticize and hold sources accountable. Please take advantage because there is no place like it:
Actually, Members regularly do this and are not even temporarily banned. They did it at least 25+ times in 2024 alone. Granted, the tracking numbers doxxed sources, if you want to call it that but likely not intentionally. Not that I think it is comparable because sources probably already protect themselves and the biggest concern is the self-doxxing. Just making sure you have all the information
fooba
Member
it appears youre right. i thought i remembered bbbg posting in the qsc thread but was actually other vets who have moved on
A lot more freedom of speech was tolerated back then 10+ years ago. I think it sorta worked well back then because there was much more of a community of us against the sources. Things have changed since then.
The overall discourse changed sometime in the past 5 years or more with members spending a lot more time attacking and insulting each other rather than reserving it for the sources. The source sycophants and parasocial relations seemed to take hold more easily, perhaps as a consequence of the increased overall polarization of the forum.
So permitting this type of unrestricted free speech when members were spending increasing amount of time attacking each other was not working well.
fooba
Member
on the topic of holding sources accountable, the triple b thing personally made me lose hope/care.
my memory could be wrong but i believe at the time he was the only domestic ugl on here aside from stan and people were so desperate for a domestic source. people went along with his big batch lies, ignored the fact that he printed labels for a new batch # while saying he was still on the same old big batch. his reluctance to get tests done from the start should have made everything clear. but for some reason people kept buying from him.
there was also liska "vetting" though some people thought that was because of competition or whatnot
goodlyfe is one of the few on here who took the vetting well. his oils were garbage when he first introduced them. he shut it down and stuck to gh for a while, then reintroduced oils later along with providing tests for the raws he used to brew and tests for finished products. and he was able to walk away with the money he made.
people are also selective with the vetting. with indian pct sources, sure you can say its generic pharma. but how many lab tests do they have/posted?
my memory could be wrong but i believe at the time he was the only domestic ugl on here aside from stan and people were so desperate for a domestic source. people went along with his big batch lies, ignored the fact that he printed labels for a new batch # while saying he was still on the same old big batch. his reluctance to get tests done from the start should have made everything clear. but for some reason people kept buying from him.
there was also liska "vetting" though some people thought that was because of competition or whatnot
goodlyfe is one of the few on here who took the vetting well. his oils were garbage when he first introduced them. he shut it down and stuck to gh for a while, then reintroduced oils later along with providing tests for the raws he used to brew and tests for finished products. and he was able to walk away with the money he made.
people are also selective with the vetting. with indian pct sources, sure you can say its generic pharma. but how many lab tests do they have/posted?
AlexDavis43
Member
What is the accusation here? Indian PCT sources could send their best pharma grade products for testing then sell you whatever they want. Pristine packaging and all.
So your criticism is against members who haven't sent their blood pressure medications for blind testing?
fooba
Member
how did you come to what you posted from what i posted? what does members sending bp meds have to do with vetting indian generic sellers?
have you ever seen them pressured to provide tests? when all indian hcg was testing poorly and no indian pct vendors would end in hcg for testing, what happened?
and you saying that indian pct can provide their best tests then send whatever? that can apply to any source, so ??????????????
indian pct sources are not held to the same standards as other sources on here are, which is what i was saying.
at least with the deus dropshippers you have people at least asking them what sets them apart from the others which is better than nothing
AlexDavis43
Member
Putting Indian generic vendors/dropshippers in the same ballpark as sources selling homebrew gear.
Do you send prescription medications that you pick up at a local pharmacy for testing, even if they're generics?
I doubt it, but it seems more relevant for this discussion if we're talking about homebrewed gear that's being sold.
fooba
Member
if theyre vending on here, then they're in the same ballpark. a source is a source and they all have to fulfill requirements before being able to post. do you think they should be exempt from the same requirements and expectations of everyone else? if so, why?
as per millard, resellers(aka deus dropshippers and indian pct dropshippers) are not exempt from this requirement.
is it unrealistic for them to test their entire catalogue? yes, but they should still be pressured to test at least a few products every few months regardless of the fact that theyre grandfathered in.
were talking about less people holding sources accountable here and you seem to be advocating for less testing from indian pct sources??
T-Bagger
Member
I think you should have grandfathered in some, like say any members pre 2020. We were a different breed back then lol.
musclesiege
Member
I think @Spaceman Spiff needs a bracelet like in the early 2000s but instead of what would Jesus do it’s what would liter, read, or ghoul do.
Spaceman Spiff
Member
I don't like clowns
Spaceman Spiff
Member
it doesnt say how much they have to test either.
iris
New Member
moving away from pct vendors, anyone selling oils should provide tests for raws and finished products, as a standard.
Alex Davis always presses sources for providing test reimbursement, which I agree with.
I would prefer testing what I get, myself, additionally to the basic lab results provided.
However, various sources here put conditions/limits to these credits.
It all varies a lot.
I can't remember which source it was, but there was a cap on spending for the lab tests they were willing to credit.
Is someone like GA down with full reimbursement/credit for same batch products, no matter how many people do it?
Of course, they prefer to credit, which as an incentive only makes sense in relation to how much one orders (assuming they are willing to be repeat customers).
Spaceman Spiff
Member
This is another thing that is not always realistic.
How many KG of raws do you think they have? Can you prove they didnt buy 20kg of test c?
How many vials do they pump out per batch?
How big are the beakers? Even a 2L beaker can maybe make 180 vials. These sources pump out testosterone and tren like its candy on halloween.
They probably make atleast 400-600 vials of test C a month. You dont see testing every month posted per "batch"
I agree they should test the raw products. What if they brew something, sell it, and its not the product? Its obvious that they should.
Some of the requests are not realistic in the sense that they should test EVERY finished product. nor can anyone here prove it. It is so easy to lie.
The blind testing is where it will shine.
Are you using gear?
AlexDavis43
Member
Some members have taken it upon themselves to tell new sources that it is mandatory to test all of their products.
Oh boy the famous teabagging your family threats of Brutus. Those were the times. I miss censoredboardsucks too great guy
