Best Non AAS Cutting Drugs?

[Mshep102]

I know the few basic answers: DNP, GLP1s, 10 sets of putting the fork down, etc.

However, I was wondering what the best stack would be in your guy’s opinions. Due to age, I don’t want to take any AAS since I got a few more years (mid 20s), but I am more than happy to use a few things to cut.

I currently have/can easily get, the following:
Tirz, albuterol, caffeine, ephedrine, yohimbine, adderall (15mg), most other common things off the web.

I have heard mixed reviews about mixing albuterol with things, but I’m not sure what the jury is on whether it’s synergistic with only caffeine, or if it works better with yohimbine/adderall/etc.

Any tips help, along with any other suggestions for things to take. My BP is low, and my RHR is also low so I don’t need to worry a whole lot about those sides for the time being.

 

[BabaJagga]

have you ever tried tirz or any glp? cause with that, i dont think much else is needed.

in my short experience with tirz in low doses, i had to force myself to eat. after 5mg shot i couldnt eat for 3 days.

i dont think anything more would be helpfull considering side effects. caffeine, for sure but drinking too much coffe mess up my sleep for example.

take it as opinion from guy that lost 25kg of fat in little less than year naturally.

 

[Nidus]

Tirza/Retra are incredibly amazing and so underrated given their secondary benefits and how save they are!

 

[malfeasance]

Well, T3.

 

[Mshep102]

have you ever tried tirz or any glp? cause with that, i dont think much else is needed.

in my short experience with tirz in low doses, i had to force myself to eat. after 5mg shot i couldnt eat for 3 days.

i dont think anything more would be helpfull considering side effects. caffeine, for sure but drinking too much coffe mess up my sleep for example.

take it as opinion from guy that lost 25kg of fat in little less than year naturally.

I have been moving up my dosages and have yet to feel any sort of appetite suppression yet. Hopefully my next dose friday will prove me wrong, but either the dose isnt large enough, or I got some bunk stuff. I will find out soon though.

Thank you for the opinion with the other benefits, I will take that into account.

 

[Mshep102]

Well, T3.

Without AAS though, T3 will shred your muscle, right?

 

[BabaJagga]

I have been moving up my dosages and have yet to feel any sort of appetite suppression yet. Hopefully my next dose friday will prove me wrong, but either the dose isnt large enough, or I got some bunk stuff. I will find out soon though.

Thank you for the opinion with the other benefits, I will take that into account.

which one are you using?

 

[lukiss96]

Without AAS though, T3 will shred your muscle, right?

I wouldn't mess with thyroid hormones, unless you absolutely have to. Most people have issues with self control rather than "slow" metabolism. Overeating is the main cause why many people are not in shape.

 

[Mshep102]

which one are you using?

I don’t think I can say on this form.

 

[Mshep102]

I wouldn't mess with thyroid hormones, unless you absolutely have to. Most people have issues with self control rather than "slow" metabolism. Overeating is the main cause why many people are not in shape.

Yeah for sure, I had no interest in thyroid hormones. I will probably just up my tirz dose and keep taking my adderall as needed. Maybe sprinkle in some albuterol for fasted cardio

 

[malfeasance]

Without AAS though, T3 will shred your muscle, right?

I just assumed that on this web site, everybody is using AAS, and weight training intensely, and eating lots of protein.

And use T3 judiciously, start low. But it works.

 

[phenominal34]

I just assumed that on this web site, everybody is using AAS, and weight training intensely, and eating lots of protein.

And use T3 judiciously, start low. But it works.

T3 is a drug of the past in my opinion. Won’t even crack top 10 now.

Actually I feel it increased appetite

 

[Smokeythabear]

I have been moving up my dosages and have yet to feel any sort of appetite suppression yet. Hopefully my next dose friday will prove me wrong, but either the dose isnt large enough, or I got some bunk stuff. I will find out soon though.

Thank you for the opinion with the other benefits, I will take that into account.

Tirz or Reta is all you need. Try to only buy from sources with a good track record of 3rd party tested product. Plenty of those to be found here. I have used from multiple sources and you’ll know right away if it’s legit. As the other comment mentioned, if it’s overfilled and you do your expected dose then it’ll nuke your appetite too much for a few days.

 

[trobertson33]

Reta is king

 

[malfeasance]

T3 is a drug of the past in my opinion.

Are competitors no longer touching it in prep? <-- Serious question

 

[Duke309]

Are competitors no longer touching it in prep? <-- Serious question

With larger doses of GH that competitors are running, based on blood work free t4 is decreasing quite a bit. They end up taking ~100-150mcg of t4 only and skip the t3. Check blood work after a month or so on the t4 only and make sure conversion to t3 is good. If required based on bloodwork you could add in 25mcg of t3 to get free t3 back into normal range

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Are competitors no longer touching it in prep? <-- Serious question

T3 is still very much in play.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I would avoid DNP. I'm kinda surprised people still use it. A girl just died recently. It also causes cataracts and can cause major major water retention which is basically your body failing. It's really hard for me to trust a Chinese ugl that doesn't give an eff about me and will suffer no repercussions if I die from overdose to dose each capsule correctly.
Take the safer route with something like tirzepatide. We are all different but semaglutide is about half the strength to me as tirzepatide and retatrutide sucks(in my body) as it doesn't give me nearly the food noise suppression as the other two so I can easily overeat on it which basically cancels out the other positive effects it has.
If you need more consider caffeine/ephedrine or clen. T3 is very catabolic so I would avoid it as well unless you are very advanced and trying to get on stage

 

[Jin23]

I know the few basic answers: DNP, GLP1s, 10 sets of putting the fork down, etc.

However, I was wondering what the best stack would be in your guy’s opinions. Due to age, I don’t want to take any AAS since I got a few more years (mid 20s), but I am more than happy to use a few things to cut.

I currently have/can easily get, the following:
Tirz, albuterol, caffeine, ephedrine, yohimbine, adderall (15mg), most other common things off the web.

I have heard mixed reviews about mixing albuterol with things, but I’m not sure what the jury is on whether it’s synergistic with only caffeine, or if it works better with yohimbine/adderall/etc.

Any tips help, along with any other suggestions for things to take. My BP is low, and my RHR is also low so I don’t need to worry a whole lot about those sides for the time being.

While in a sustained calorie deficit, for a natty, keeping TT up and SHBG down should be your primary concern, as those two (especially shbg) are very likely to take a noticeable hit, especially in the later phases of the cut.

Low dose enclomiphene, for instance; 3 mg eod, is usually sufficient to bring TT above your normal levels. Dosage varies between individuals, you might need more or less.

Moving on from SERMs, you've got a sleeve of natural test boosters which are quite effective. Cistanche and tongkat ali are both gtg. Don't use tongkat ed or you will crash your e2. They both have varying MOA's in regards to testosterone upregulation; from enzymatic upregulation, shgb modulation to AR antagonism in the hypothalamus. You can bring your TT in to TRT + levels with this combo. But they don't only optimize T, they are strong nootropics in their own right and they will substantially increase your energy levels, motivation, aggression, etc.

Shilajit and cordiceps are also worth a try. Shilajit for increasing T and cordiceps for increasing cardio.