bigMoJo
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Spaceman,
Please take a look at the below linked paper... this is where I'm getting that "definition." Essentially, they are terming anything other than cancerous PV as "secondary." Let me know if you extrapolate the same conclusion.
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Please take a look at the below linked paper... this is where I'm getting that "definition." Essentially, they are terming anything other than cancerous PV as "secondary." Let me know if you extrapolate the same conclusion.
Spaceman Spiff
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Secondary PV...
PV is the acronym for polycythemia vera
Paper is about secondary polycythemia
bigMoJo
Member
You're right!
I didn't realize it... I'm adding "vera" to "secondary polycythemia," and that's not how it's refered to. I'll bet my doctor's diagnosis reads that way too.
Details matter. Thank you.
Bizzark1
Member
Just to be clear
"Secondary polycythemia" would be a condition involving both white and red blood cells. Not just effecting HCT
Secondary erythrocytosis is what we are referring to when talking about increased HCT due to AAS, smoking, living in altitude etc.
I dont know of many conditions effecting white and red blood cells that isn't a result of polycythemia vera/primary polycythemia (cancer/mutation) so I wonder if that makes Secondary polycythemia a redundant term to use
my understanding is
You either have polycythemia vera (cancer) or Secondary erythrocytosis (increased HCT not caused by cancer)
Of course I could be wrong and happy to be corrected
"Secondary polycythemia" would be a condition involving both white and red blood cells. Not just effecting HCT
Secondary erythrocytosis is what we are referring to when talking about increased HCT due to AAS, smoking, living in altitude etc.
I dont know of many conditions effecting white and red blood cells that isn't a result of polycythemia vera/primary polycythemia (cancer/mutation) so I wonder if that makes Secondary polycythemia a redundant term to use
my understanding is
You either have polycythemia vera (cancer) or Secondary erythrocytosis (increased HCT not caused by cancer)
Of course I could be wrong and happy to be corrected
hammerheart
Member
Just to be clear
"Secondary polycythemia" would be a condition involving both white and red blood cells. Not just effecting HCT
Secondary erythrocytosis is what we are referring to when talking about increased HCT due to AAS, smoking, living in altitude etc.
I dont know of many conditions effecting white and red blood cells that isn't a result of polycythemia vera/primary polycythemia (cancer/mutation) so I wonder if that makes Secondary polycythemia a redundant term to use
my understanding is
You either have polycythemia vera (cancer) or Secondary erythrocytosis (increased HCT not caused by cancer)
Of course I could be wrong and happy to be corrected
I have beta thalassemia minor. Its a genetic trait originally developed as adaptation to malaria common in the mediterranean basin. RBC are higher in number (6-7), hemoglobin usually lower than normal but the cell size is smaller (mvc below 70).
Personally with aas I would get slightly higher numbers, with hemoglobin actually normalizing and hematocrit staying top 50%.
ExogenousDan
Member
I wanted to share another positive experience with Lobster.
I've previously ordered the 310iu GH kits and Pharma Slin from Turkey, with no complaints. As of recently, I placed another international order 40+ kits from China to the UK, and I was impressed—it arrived in just 12 days from payment. As always, communication with Lobster was professional and quick. I ordered 13.5iu kits and HCG and everything came as described packaged well, and of course vacuums in both. I’ll be sending the HGH of for Jano testing in the coming weeks and I’ll share the results once they come in.
Thanks again Lobster, and everyone else who’s contributing towards testing
I've previously ordered the 310iu GH kits and Pharma Slin from Turkey, with no complaints. As of recently, I placed another international order 40+ kits from China to the UK, and I was impressed—it arrived in just 12 days from payment. As always, communication with Lobster was professional and quick. I ordered 13.5iu kits and HCG and everything came as described packaged well, and of course vacuums in both. I’ll be sending the HGH of for Jano testing in the coming weeks and I’ll share the results once they come in.
Thanks again Lobster, and everyone else who’s contributing towards testing
TheLobster
Subscriber
I wanted to share another positive experience with Lobster.
I've previously ordered the 310iu GH kits and Pharma Slin from Turkey, with no complaints. As of recently, I placed another international order 40+ kits from China to the UK, and I was impressed—it arrived in just 12 days from payment. As always, communication with Lobster was professional and quick. I ordered 13.5iu kits and HCG and everything came as described packaged well, and of course vacuums in both. I’ll be sending the HGH of for Jano testing in the coming weeks and I’ll share the results once they come in.
Thanks again Lobster, and everyone else who’s contributing towards testing
Bizzark1
Member
That's interesting, thanks for the info. I have seen similar info on some blood work (specifically the mvc)
This guy should inform all the countries that have additional customs fees coming with the shipment...
Atleast in Finland there was additional custom fees that would need ID and credit card use, which is not optimal opsec view.
Lets see if this guy even refunds the package, asked money back since there was no mention about this.
Atleast in Finland there was additional custom fees that would need ID and credit card use, which is not optimal opsec view.
Lets see if this guy even refunds the package, asked money back since there was no mention about this.
I don’t think it’s on a source to know the customs laws of your country bro
I think it would be fair since other sources have no issues with those.
Is it shipped from turkey?
So order from them? The onus is on you.
Psy-chonaut
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Common procedure - in Dk the courrier charges you about 25$ just to store the parcel while customs are fiddling around with it , to see if they also should charge you something extra etc.......
Not defending the seller, but if you already know how customs work in your country, why not ask him directly before placing the order? It’s not really fair to expect every seller to list the import rules for each country. If you know Finland tends to apply extra fees, a quick message could’ve saved you the trouble.
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
I wonder what the percentage of sales is to Finland lol
I'd imagine quite low given the busts and how careful customs is in general so people are afraid and just buy local
Thats kind of the problem here if
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Delivers with out this issue you kind of assume they would too.
TheLobster
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If you had sent me a constructive message asking, “Can you please help me with this issue?” I would have gladly helped. But if you respond to me with harsh and destructive comments, we will never be able to reach a solution, my friend
Some countries are tax free, and some are not. I don’t have control or full knowledge over which countries apply customs fees and which don’t. Some customers end up paying, and when I ask if they want me to return the fee some say yes, and some say no. But since you immediately attacked me instead of discussing it calmly, I don’t think we’ll be able to reach a solution
Also, I am not the one charging you the tax fee it’s your country’s customs regulations. It’s completely out of my control
When the package is returned to me, you can receive your refund
Some countries are tax free, and some are not. I don’t have control or full knowledge over which countries apply customs fees and which don’t. Some customers end up paying, and when I ask if they want me to return the fee some say yes, and some say no. But since you immediately attacked me instead of discussing it calmly, I don’t think we’ll be able to reach a solution
Also, I am not the one charging you the tax fee it’s your country’s customs regulations. It’s completely out of my control
When the package is returned to me, you can receive your refund
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