CharlesV
Member
damn. is there full pallet discount?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Cheap Pfizer/Hospira BAC may be about to end
- Thread starter Ghoul
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I ordered 2 & got 5 so far and a 25X of lidocaine 1%
Here2Learn
Member
Well now that all the entire Reddit grey world has decided to panic buy all the Hospira bac and most places not going to sell it going forward what is everyone planning? Those who did preorders got emails saying the price is increasing $150 and they have to pay the difference.
Ateam2023
Member
when i run out of hospira, in 5 years , i'll just make my own again, easy peasy,,
Here2Learn
Member
I have at least a years worth and probably more but was just curious.
Ateam2023
Member
I
ts super easy to make bac water, there's plenty of info on it here on Meso including recipes etc and what kind proper ingredients too,
Ghoul
Member
Update on this topic. Email I recently received.
I bought single Hospira vials from this place before I knew about Medex. It's a very straight med supply company, not a place specializing in serving the PED community, so I doubt this would be a ruse to drum up sales.
From a liability perspective this makes sense. If they allow prescription only products to "leak" into the market they could eventually be sued by someone who used their BAC to fuck themselves up somehow.
If the below comes true I'm sure someone will figure out how to provide this to the UGL community, at a higher price.
I "reviewed my credentials" but can't seem to find my DEA license so I guess I'm screwed lol.
I bought single Hospira vials from this place before I knew about Medex. It's a very straight med supply company, not a place specializing in serving the PED community, so I doubt this would be a ruse to drum up sales.
From a liability perspective this makes sense. If they allow prescription only products to "leak" into the market they could eventually be sued by someone who used their BAC to fuck themselves up somehow.
If the below comes true I'm sure someone will figure out how to provide this to the UGL community, at a higher price.
I "reviewed my credentials" but can't seem to find my DEA license so I guess I'm screwed lol.
Ateam2023
Member
just make your own bac water people its not hard,,
Ghoul
Member
If you're going to make your own, then do yourself a favor and make Phosphate Buffer Saline (only the type using Water for Injection) and add USP Benzyl Alcohol.
This is the same buffer solution used in pharma pens for Tirz, Sema, and rHGH to maintain ideal PH 7.2-7.4. Not only is this physiological pH so injections are comfortable, it keeps these compound far
more stable, with less degradation and aggregation.
UGL GLPs and rHGH almost never include pH control excipients, and end up acidic 5-6 pH after reconstitution with BAC. Acidity damages these proteins and can cause injection site reactions.
Most peptides do best at this pH, but not all. Some are more stable when in a slightly acidic solution, so check the specific compound. But for all GLPs and rHGH this buffer solution will give you better results.
This is the cheapest PBS with Water for Injection I've found. Shipping is high but it's still not bad, esp if you buy a few bottles at a time.
Kiraa710
Member
Say we grab some bags of SWFI from online dental suppliers, that’s should technically work as well correct? Just sans the benefits you detail here obviouslyIf you're going to make your own, then do yourself a favor and make Phosphate Buffer Saline (only the type using Water for Injection) and add USP Benzyl Alcohol.
This is the same buffer solution used in pharma pens for Tirz, Sema, and rHGH to maintain ideal PH 7.2-7.4. Not only is this physiological pH so injections are comfortable, it keeps these compound far
more stable, with less degradation and aggregation.
UGL GLPs and rHGH almost never include pH control excipients, and end up acidic 5-6 pH after reconstitution with BAC. Acidity damages these proteins and can cause injection site reactions.
Most peptides do best at this pH, but not all. Some are more stable when in a slightly acidic solution, so check the specific compound. But for all GLPs and rHGH this buffer solution will give you better results.
This is the cheapest PBS with Water for Injection I've found. Shipping is high but it's still not bad, esp if you buy a few bottles at a time.
Ghoul
Member
Yes. A couple of things to keep in mind if you want as similar a product to pharma BAC as possible, and why I find $4 30ml bottles of Hospira far more convenient.
You really need to sterile filter as you transfer the WFI and BA into whatever vial you're going to use. And on that note, you'll want a quality, pyrogen and particulate free vial with a non reactive stopper like UltraSpec or better yet ALK.
The container matters because WFI+BA is going to give you an acidic solution that can leach chemicals from whatever it's kept in. I don't have it in front of me but I read a study and the list of crap that got into the slightly acidic water is nasty. Not just from plastic, but glass, and the stopper.
That chemical leaching and a pretty significant pH shift from cheap containers only took a few months at room temp.
Pfizer uses a medical grade polyolefin material that's also used in surgical implants. Nothing leaches out of it, and it doesn't change the pH for years,
So there's a little more than "WFI + BA in a plastic vial" going on with Hospira than meets the eye.
AlexDavis43
Member
100%
I didn't even use fancy water, just sterile stuff from Amazon. Same for vials. The bubble boys would cringe. Thank god I have an immune system.
It's just that these pallets of Hospira are too cheap and convenient to resist but as soon as that ends, back to homemade.
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
I know man ... Even the stupid sterile 30ml glass vials are just as expensive
BamaCrazy
Banned
You should wear a bubble suit, hair net, N95 mask in a sterile clean room. Then filter the BA, filter the sterile solution, and make your BAC in sterile vials. Then reconstitute and filter the peptide. Peak filtering. lol
Ateam2023
Member
well something to look into, , Down the hole we go,,If you're going to make your own, then do yourself a favor and make Phosphate Buffer Saline (only the type using Water for Injection) and add USP Benzyl Alcohol.
This is the same buffer solution used in pharma pens for Tirz, Sema, and rHGH to maintain ideal PH 7.2-7.4. Not only is this physiological pH so injections are comfortable, it keeps these compound far
more stable, with less degradation and aggregation.
UGL GLPs and rHGH almost never include pH control excipients, and end up acidic 5-6 pH after reconstitution with BAC. Acidity damages these proteins and can cause injection site reactions.
Most peptides do best at this pH, but not all. Some are more stable when in a slightly acidic solution, so check the specific compound. But for all GLPs and rHGH this buffer solution will give you better results.
This is the cheapest PBS with Water for Injection I've found. Shipping is high but it's still not bad, esp if you buy a few bottles at a time.
Ateam2023
Member
i think ima order some more today , "B4 its to late",,,,
Photon
Member
The ph of Hospira is actually below 7.
I reckon it might be slightly different depending on batch but the range is in their docs.
pH: 4.5-7.0
Ghoul
Member
Yeah, I measured it as 5.7.
Not ideal, and the reason for using PBS if someone cares enough to pursue the best they can make of UGL peptides.
As I said a few peptides are intended to be slightly acidic, and PBS would damage them, Hospira would be the way to go for them even if you go down the PBS route.
But Hospira is consistent, safer, and better than UGL or most of the crap on Amazon.
And even if someone doesn't give a crap about the pharma aspect of Hospira, it's the cheapest, easiest option by far, so still hard to resist.
It might be a good idea to ask Jano to check PH after he reconstitutes. It'll take him 3 seconds, and gives a clue as to whether there are buffer excipients. If we start checking, the UGLs might start paying attention to that aspect of formulation.
Photon
Member
It's a tough one..cause some peps like NAD+ are better at higher ph..and don't want to use something like 5.7..then you have some that do better in lower ph...like Glutathione...The last thing you want is to use the wrong ph..and make your pep useless...
Lab grade PBS sterile solutions are easy to get at multiple ph points (just need to know what ph your peptide is most stable at) but getting one that writes "for injection" is rare...
