How to reduce BP fast (same day)?

For sedentary obese people maybe BP is a good indicator but bro I have muscle on my hand, when that cuff squeeze me it's hard to reach my artery.

LOL. I guess you are just too big and muscular to have normal, low blood pressure like the rest of us plebes.

MrCloud, we have some huge guys on the forum who have normal, low blood pressure. Some of them are almost assuredly larger than you. Unfortunately, I am not one of them, but your massive, huge, muscular biceps and triceps that we all wish we had and could be like you are not an excuse for high blood pressure.

With that having been said, it looks like we missed the window for your test, which was yesterday. Did you pass? Did you fail? What was your blood pressure?

Does your job depend upon this?

The standard advice is good. Lose weight. Hit cardio, daily. Real cardio, that is, get your heart rate elevated for a half hour (and yes, the higher the better, within reason, hitting 120 bpm is nothing, get it higher). Get leaner. Drop your steroid dosages down to put yourself in the normal human reference range. Keep them down in the normal human reference range for many months at a time, making sure your lipids stay normal for extended periods.

Pharmacological solutions, too, but you are already on two drugs, telmisartan and nebivolol. You do not tell us how much.

Draining 3-4 pints of blood lowers blood pressure - lol
 
For cardio both LISS and HIIT are very effective at lowering bp, with HIIT being slightly better but it’s so close that you should pick the one you can sustain, for most people that is LISS as HIIT will cut into your normal lifting recovery.
 
For HIIT, they recommend age-220 x 80% - 95%
That is for the peaks. Lower way down for the troughs.

I do what I call MICT, but using that recommendation, I keep my heart rate above 80% for however long it takes to get up there through the end, which is half an hour to 45 minutes, so probably close to 20 minutes or so over 80%, sometimes more like over 85%.


 
Cardio this morning monitoring heart rate - I was over 80%. I do not know for how long (forgot to time that part). I was doing cardio for a half hour while watching American Sniper (great cardio movie), and it takes a while to get my heart rate up and stable at the higher level.

I increase cardio length and intensity over time. I add a minute each session or every other session or whenever my heart rate starts dropping because I have adapted to the cardio or increase intensity to get the heart rate up.
 
What BP level you think you get when you do a deadlift PR ? With ur logic we all should be dead. For sedentary obese people maybe BP is a good indicator but bro I have muscle on my hand, when that cuff squeeze me it's hard to reach my artery. On my forearm I had as low as 105 sys. With my specific cuff I need to have it right above elbow , 3-4 cm up and I get +25 sys/dus. This doesn't scare me personally but to each their own.
This is some of the worst logic I have ever seen.

Momentary spikes to your blood pressure during strenuous activity is not at all the same thing as persistent elevated BP. You're going to be one of those people who dies from steroid use and makes everyone think we're a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to make intelligent decisions about what we put in our bodies.
 
LOL. I guess you are just too big and muscular to have normal, low blood pressure like the rest of us plebes.

MrCloud, we have some huge guys on the forum who have normal, low blood pressure. Some of them are almost assuredly larger than you. Unfortunately, I am not one of them, but your massive, huge, muscular biceps and triceps that we all wish we had and could be like you are not an excuse for high blood pressure.

With that having been said, it looks like we missed the window for your test, which was yesterday. Did you pass? Did you fail? What was your blood pressure?

Does your job depend upon this?

The standard advice is good. Lose weight. Hit cardio, daily. Real cardio, that is, get your heart rate elevated for a half hour (and yes, the higher the better, within reason, hitting 120 bpm is nothing, get it higher). Get leaner. Drop your steroid dosages down to put yourself in the normal human reference range. Keep them down in the normal human reference range for many months at a time, making sure your lipids stay normal for extended periods.

Pharmacological solutions, too, but you are already on two drugs, telmisartan and nebivolol. You do not tell us how much.

Draining 3-4 pints of blood lowers blood pressure - lol

I completely agree with your advice, but I have a nuance in the way I approach this,

Telling a heroin addict to stop using heroin is the best advice, but people will do what they're going to do and even "perfect" advice will be ignored. So instead you give them clean injection gear, tell them how to avoid od'ing, offer fentanyl test kits.

So on a steroid forum, I presume someone's gojng to keep on doing what they're already decided to knowing full well, on some level, it's risky,

If after the cardio BP is still elevated, as we know it will. at least in cycle, better to use a well thought out pharmaceutical strategy to reduce risk greatly than have them needlessly inducing end organ damage while waiting for them to see the light and drop the gear.

Doctors don't withhold BP meds while waiting for a 400 pounder with 170/95 to lay off the pizza and ice cream.

@MrCloud I don't know what dose of Telm you're using, and presuming you'll be sticking with Nebiv, the clinical guidelines would have you on Telm 80 / Amlodipine 5 ( increasing to 10 if not into the 120s after a couple of weeks, or, better would be leave amlodipine at the low dose 5, and add low dose Indapamide 1.25.

You can get all three in a single tab from india vendors here cheap.

It would go a long way toward protecting your kidneys on cycle.
 
This is part of my issue with BP.

My doc has given me a couple different BP monitors for home BP logging. I can put it on, get 105/65. Then take the cuff off and put it back on the exact same way and get 128/80 not 1 minute later. I've even replicated it in the doctor's office, she measured me at like 150 over something. We went one room over to a different cuff and I was like 123/80. Even she agreed that BP monitors must hate me. But how the fuck can a BP reading even be meaningful when it can change so much in such a short time?

There are fairly cheap BP monitors designed to overcome inconsistent measurements by voice commands to change positions, do this or that, and after several measurements uses an algorithm to establish what the real BP is. Problem is most max out around 20" cuff.
 
The profound misunderstanding of blood pressure on display here is astonishing.


Was talking to someone today that for over a decade we both had the same experience of being told "it's a little high" at the doctor's office, with no further discussion on what to do, or the significance of that mildly elevated BP going on for years. And since you don't "feel" it, you don't realize you're spending health points you can't get back, that could've been easily be preserved.

If you're lucky enough to have access to one of the few, elite, specialists in the field of of preventative cardiology, if you have even the lowest degree of hypertension (above 130/80), that's been going on for 6 months or more, besides immediate treatment to bring it down, they start with a baseline "end organ damage assessment", including heart, liver, kidneys, eyes, because there will be at least low levels of detectable damage,

I'm certain that in a decade or two "baseline end organ damage" assessments for anyone with hypertension will be common.
Not because anything special can be done for that early stage of organ injury, but showing patients steady degradation of their organs may be the only way to get them to take BP as seriously as they should.
 
Was talking to someone today that for over a decade we both had the same experience of being told "it's a little high" at the doctor's office, with no further discussion on what to do, or the significance of that mildly elevated BP going on for years. And since you don't "feel" it, you don't realize you're spending health points you can't get back, that could've been easily be preserved.

If you're lucky enough to have access to one of the few, elite, specialists in the field of of preventative cardiology, if you have even the lowest degree of hypertension (above 130/80), that's been going on for 6 months or more, besides immediate treatment to bring it down, they start with a baseline "end organ damage assessment", including heart, liver, kidneys, eyes, because there will be at least low levels of detectable damage,

I'm certain that in a decade or two "baseline end organ damage" assessments for anyone with hypertension will be common.
Not because anything special can be done for that early stage of organ injury, but showing patients steady degradation of their organs may be the only way to get them to take BP as seriously as they should.
Dammit, Ghoul!
 
One very peculiar benefit of being on the taller side is my experience when standing up after seated for an extended period has become a near clinical level accuracy blood pressure monitor. (I still check BP twice a day minimum)

Zero head rush whatsoever -> My systolic is 130 or higher
Tiny amount of lightheadedness -> We're in the golden zone
Big head rush -> We've gone below 110/60 and need to taper back the meds
 
Well, for starters, if you think comparing chronically elevated blood pressure to the few-second effort of a deadlift PR, you may want to look into voluntary sterilization. I don't think that's a controversial statement.
Give us more than starters. I appreciate a good cheap shot as much as the next guy, but I was hoping to learn something.
 
Was talking to someone today that for over a decade we both had the same experience of being told "it's a little high" at the doctor's office, with no further discussion on what to do, or the significance of that mildly elevated BP going on for years. And since you don't "feel" it, you don't realize you're spending health points you can't get back, that could've been easily be preserved.

If you're lucky enough to have access to one of the few, elite, specialists in the field of of preventative cardiology, if you have even the lowest degree of hypertension (above 130/80), that's been going on for 6 months or more, besides immediate treatment to bring it down, they start with a baseline "end organ damage assessment", including heart, liver, kidneys, eyes, because there will be at least low levels of detectable damage,

I'm certain that in a decade or two "baseline end organ damage" assessments for anyone with hypertension will be common.
Not because anything special can be done for that early stage of organ injury, but showing patients steady degradation of their organs may be the only way to get them to take BP as seriously as they should.

Yeah, I was going to follow up on my sentence with another one but got called away. I'm specifically reacting to any type of justification for carrying substantially elevated blood pressure for people below 50. The OP is going to fuck himself up if he doesn't fix it. The heart rate may or may not be an issue -- the healthy range is surprisingly high. But that kind of BP really is a time bomb.

Low-level hypertension turns out to be the focus of an incredibly large amount of research and in many instances it's not quite clear how to best treat it. That's one reason for varying guidelines on what actually constitutes meaningful hypertension -- medical organizations in the US have tended to consider 120/80 the highest acceptable blood pressure, whereas many organizations in Europe have opted for slightly higher thresholds, so something like 130/85.

It is certainly true that the threshold for acceptable blood pressure varies by person, and not knowing the context, I would imagine that's what doctors are reacting to when they see mildly elevated pressure but don't pursue it. It's the same way that we all know the safest amount of drugs to take is zero, but there is some non-zero amount that is also safe. If you're in the business of making sure people don't have blood pressure issues, erring low is the default.

In the context of older adults, things get much trickier and more interesting. In the last ten or so years, there has been a great deal of study around the question, "if a patient has X condition, what is the best target blood pressure?" There's an avalanche of papers in that vein where X is nearly every chronic condition and condition associated with advanced age that you can imagine.

Kidney conditions are taxed by most volume depletion medications, so that's a question of organ safety. But for most other conditions, the question is more about the possible side effects from medications. If you take an 80 y.o. and put them on enough meds to get their blood pressure from 170/95 to 120/80, you can bet they're going to have postural orthostasis and disorientation when they stand up and bend over. You're not doing anyone a favor if you break their fucking hip, right?

So the question is, over the course of (say) a decade, will more 65 y.o. people experience medical issues from having a blood pressure of 130/80 *or* have complications from the medications required to drop their BP. The answers have seemed to vary based on the comorbid conditions, making it a still-harder question to answer.

But anyone below fifty who has chronically elevated blood pressure should take the time to trial low doses of one of the dozens of medications. There will be one that is effective with essentially no deleterious (or maybe even noticeable) side effects. It's money and time, but it's better than even low level organ damage from accommodating too much pressure for several decades.
 
Give us more than starters. I appreciate a good cheap shot as much as the next guy, but I was hoping to learn something.
I was scrolling pretty quickly and it seems like almost all of it is coming from OP. It's not a useless measure, though it can be tricky to interpret in borderline cases. Having a great deal of musculature doesn't vitiate the effects of high blood pressure. A muscular upper arm tends to be conical rather than cylindrical, so both size and shape have to be taken into account when taking BP on a jacked dude who isn't fat. Even still, thigh cuffs exist and they're just as accurate.

Extra fact that no one has ever asked or will ever be able to use: you can use a thigh cuff and a hand pump to lift a pontoon boat that's become stuck in the sand. Pressure is one of the more interesting thermodynamic variables that we, as humans, experience vanishingly low variation in.
 
There are fairly cheap BP monitors designed to overcome inconsistent measurements by voice commands to change positions, do this or that, and after several measurements uses an algorithm to establish what the real BP is. Problem is most max out around 20" cuff.
Damn, really? I've never seen one of these. I usually just grab the most expensive omron I can get at the time
 
What I really like (Beside the pharmacological route)

- Black fermented garlic
- Reducing salt intake
- Beet root juice
- Cardio
- Eating super clean
 
I was scrolling pretty quickly and it seems like almost all of it is coming from OP. It's not a useless measure, though it can be tricky to interpret in borderline cases. Having a great deal of musculature doesn't vitiate the effects of high blood pressure. A muscular upper arm tends to be conical rather than cylindrical, so both size and shape have to be taken into account when taking BP on a jacked dude who isn't fat. Even still, thigh cuffs exist and they're just as accurate.

Extra fact that no one has ever asked or will ever be able to use: you can use a thigh cuff and a hand pump to lift a pontoon boat that's become stuck in the sand. Pressure is one of the more interesting thermodynamic variables that we, as humans, experience vanishingly low variation in.


FYI EU 2024 guidelines are now aligned with US, 130/80 should be treated with meds if lifestyle can't bring it down within 3 months. Under 120/70 is ideal.

A week ago Canada implemented same standard:


They noted 130/85 doubles the risk of a major cardiovascular event compared to bp <120/70.

They recognize the data is overwhelming that getting BP below 130/80 is a major factor in preventing damage to health.

Canada went one step further than the US and EU and is advising doctors to perform an evaluation of end organ damage for everyone with hypertension. Impressive.
 
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