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[dinfar1337]

China are very likely about to introduce the death penalty for handling opioids. If the same precursors are involved as with AAS, then supply issues are likely to continue...

i dont know where the idea came any of the precursors used in opioids/fentanyl is the same as in primo/etc but that isnt true at all.

here is some articles i linked some time ago in another post that shines a little light on what is actually going on.

The game is dead, its over.

china has been the only country in the world where these precursors were not regulated. and because of the fentanyl precursors being bought wildly down there they started required licenses for all precursors involving aas.

any lab in the world have limited primo/mast at the moment. China’s ECCN, effective as of December 1, 2024.

China’s Non-proliferation and Export Control Laws and Regulations_Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China

sadly the chemicals themselves have been extremely restricted to acquire now in china. went from unlicensed bulk purchase to licensed goverment controlled.

and whatever ugl promises you otherwise only have malicious intents.

 

[Obese2Greekgod]

man.... i discovered them, got to buy 1 single kit then they get taken down, can anyone list any other alternatives that are cheap af also?

 

[dick_starbuck]

man.... i discovered them, got to buy 1 single kit then they get taken down, can anyone list any other alternatives that are cheap af also?

Have you considered click on... any of the other vendors in the forum?

Everyone moved onto SSA, SRY, and HYB.

 

[sqbp]

i dont know where the idea came any of the precursors used in opioids/fentanyl is the same as in primo/etc but that isnt true at all.

here is some articles i linked some time ago in another post that shines a little light on what is actually going on.

The game is dead, its over.

sadly the chemicals themselves have been extremely restricted to acquire now in china. went from unlicensed bulk purchase to licensed goverment controlled.

and whatever ugl promises you otherwise only have malicious intents.

It won´t be as it was before, thats for sure.

 

[dinfar1337]

It won´t be as it was before, thats for sure.

not at the same prices.

turkey/iran/india/russia have the capabilities of producing the precursors and wide scale manufacturing them while the laws are loose there around it. but seems like everybody has relied on china and dont have a walter white in these countries that want to take the market for himself

 

[Ghoul]

They've let the fent get exported by pharma companies, though, since not for domestic consumption. Trump claimed China would crack down on it and apply the death penalty, but China replied yesterday and said it's the US' problem and not theirs.

They've been saying that for years.

It's obvious they started stepping away from the drug precursor business within weeks after the election last year.

We're living it ffs. China didn't suddenly decide AAS were immoral. They just got swept up in the overall crackdown on illegal drug chemicals.

 

[CharlesV]

but China replied yesterday and said it's the US' problem and n

fine. bet. now crank up production and start taking our money again dammit.

 

[4Drago]

Thats one of the benefits of being an old timer. You learn to always have a personal stash to last you through the tough times (2-5 yrs minimum).
I'm sure there are many newbies and younger guys that have learned this the hard way. I believe we are looking at closer to 5 years this go around. We're seeing the clock rewind to the days of the 90s. Prices will triple and fake shit will be like it was in the old days.

Heck Back then I thought I did 4-5 cycles. In all actuality it was more like one real cycle. No wonder I never got any bigger then 224lbs on that one real cycle. Looking back, I think that was a good thing because I was able to maintain 220 naturally but at 15% bf. The placebo effect was probably the healthiest thing for me. Fake crap forced me to be off even longer then I thought. This helped me reinforce my base.

After a 15 year long break (not even doing trt) I got back into gear. The shit was real and I climbed to 257 lbs within a year. If I did this in my 20s I probably would have been tempted to do things that I'd be regretting today in my 50s.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Thats one of the benefits of being an old timer. You learn to always have a personal stash to last you through the tough times (2-5 yrs minimum).

I shop at costco, I dont shop at 7-11.

So many of these kids are crying for gear now because they wanted to buy 1-2 vials of test at a time. lol

 

[4Drago]

I shop at costco, I dont shop at 7-11.

So many of these kids are crying for gear now because they wanted to buy 1-2 vials of test at a time. lol

Well on a good note, trt clinics are a normal thing now. We didn't have this option back in the 90s... at least not at the level it's available today.

Nows a great time for everyone to reinforce their base and figure out what their body's own natural maximum potential is.

But, supply and demand always plays a roll in availability and price. I foresee trt clinics increasing prices and taking advantage of the current situation.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

But, supply and demand always plays a roll in availability and price. I foresee trt clinics increasing prices and taking advantage of the current situation.

they most definitely are. I have a cop hitting me up asking me to brew some test C for him. He said the clinics are too expensive.

He lets me bang his wife so... you know...

Trade for a trade

 

[CharlesV]

Thats one of the benefits of being an old timer. You learn to always have a personal stash to last you through the tough times (2-5 yrs minimum).

for sure. i’ve managed stock up in a short amount of time…not 5 years worth, but enough to keep me from panic buying for a year or two. but with all this uncertainty, i’d love to have a fat sack of at least Test to keep in a dark cool place.

We're seeing the clock rewind to the days of the 90s. Prices will triple and fake shit will be like it was in the old days.

as long as it’s qualify and available, i really don’t mind if prices jump. even today’s domestic prices are so good it’s laughable. i spend far more on my PM supplement stack each month than i do my cycle.

 

[CharlesV]

they most definitely are. I have a cop hitting me up asking me to brew some test C for him. He said the clinics are too expensive.

He lets me bang his wife so... you know...

Trade for a trade

there is a lot to unpack there.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

there is a lot to unpack there.

Yea, into his wife

 

[RaddishPork]

Thats one of the benefits of being an old timer. You learn to always have a personal stash to last you through the tough times (2-5 yrs minimum).
I'm sure there are many newbies and younger guys that have learned this the hard way. I believe we are looking at closer to 5 years this go around.

I was blessed to have disposable income at the same time I was in my "research" phase, right when the gear was available through a single email for dirt cheap. Once I discovered gear was sold in kits internationally for the same price as 2 domestic vials, I pretty much got at least one kit of everything I saw.

I thought everyone was being a drama queen when they said it was coming to an end. Just seeing the war on drugs from American soil fail so miserably, I didn't realize there's more to this game than being a typical dope dealer.

The one place I did get burned is homebrewing. I was JUST starting to do the research and look into it when all the purity tests started coming back low and shipments were getting seized. I'm going to take that as my sign to not get greedy and just keep it chill for a while. Not like I "need" to brew anyways.

RIP to the spirit of the guys who just started cycling though. Now they've got shut down test levels and gear prices are doubled. That's gotta burn lol

 

[Esteronez]

I was blessed to have disposable income at the same time I was in my "research" phase, right when the gear was available through a single email for dirt cheap. Once I discovered gear was sold in kits internationally for the same price as 2 domestic vials, I pretty much got at least one kit of everything I saw.

I thought everyone was being a drama queen when they said it was coming to an end. Just seeing the war on drugs from American soil fail so miserably, I didn't realize there's more to this game than being a typical dope dealer.

The one place I did get burned is homebrewing. I was JUST starting to do the research and look into it when all the purity tests started coming back low and shipments were getting seized. I'm going to take that as my sign to not get greedy and just keep it chill for a while. Not like I "need" to brew anyways.

RIP to the spirit of the guys who just started cycling though. Now they've got shut down test levels and gear prices are doubled. That's gotta burn lol

Started cycling in august, crash came in october, haven’t gotten to try any compounds other than test, eq, “anavar” and dbol. I was dumb enough to be buying from GA at the time instead of QSC. want some damn mast

 

[xrayphoton13]

Started cycling in august, crash came in october, haven’t gotten to try any compounds other than test, eq, “anavar” and dbol. I was dumb enough to be buying from GA at the time instead of QSC. want some damn mast

Nothing wrong with GA back then. I have both. Why did you quote anavar? Mine from GA works great

 

[dasking]

Nothing wrong with GA back then. I have both. Why did you quote anavar? Mine from GA works great

Same here

 

[Esteronez]

Nothing wrong with GA back then. I have both. Why did you quote anavar? Mine from GA works great

got anavar from WWB recently, never ran it until recently and since raws are shit i have no idea if its anavar, its the stromusc shit

 

[dasking]

got anavar from WWB recently, never ran it until recently and since raws are shit i have no idea if its anavar, its the stromusc shit

Ive got some of the 25s and 50s and seem to be as expected results. I only used the 25s yet to be fare. Not from that vendor but Stromusc still. I do no appreciate there softer quality so im running them now instead of my old stock