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[CharlesV]

Because our HGH36iu test actually reaches a high concentration of 40iu, this situation will not occur when using pure water.

the problem, at least anecdotally, is that I ran through at least 7 kits of QSC’s 36iu growth throughout 2024 into 2025. similar to SSA’s, their testing was often at 40iu’s+ and I did not experience and strands or floaters. heck, i never experienced if with the handful of SSA kits i ran either. all of it recon’d with Hospira BW.

i’ve since switched to Lob’s 31iu kits and don’t experience it with it either.

i’m not saying Eve is wrong, but my experience maintains that BW has not yielded poor results yet.

 

[CharlesV]

Because our HGH36iu test actually reaches a high concentration of 40iu, this situation will not occur when using pure water.

the problem, at least anecdotally, is that I ran through at least 7 kits of QSC’s 36iu growth throughout 2024 into 2025. similar to SSA’s, their testing was often at 40iu’s+ and I did not experience and strands or floaters. heck, i never experienced if with the handful of SSA kits i ran either. all of it recon’d with Hospira BW.

i’ve since switched to Lob’s 31iu kits and don’t experience it with it either.

i’m not saying Eve is wrong, but my experience maintains that BW has not yielded poor results yet.

 

[roofer22]

Can you share which COA was given for this batch? I was about to buy some SSA GH 36 that tested at 40ish. Black tops. Thank you if you have it.

They posted the latest 36iu test in the testing thread not too long ago.

 

[DinoBB76]

They posted the latest 36iu test in the testing thread not too long ago.

i think that people use little dose of BAC , when i use for example 24Iu (without problem) , i put 3ml , one vials = 6 pin , zero problem 4iu single pin

 

[trytryagain]

It’s be interesting to recon with 3ml sterile and then extract into a larger sterile vial and inject another 3ml custom 1.8% to 2% BA sterile soln in a larger vial (giving a 0.9%-1% final BA percentage). Just as an experiment to see if it’s really a concentration-specific issue or a SSA/source production issue. Taking pictures at each step…

 

[Ghoul]

It’s be interesting to recon with 3ml sterile and then extract into a larger sterile vial and inject another 3ml custom 1.8% to 2% BA sterile soln in a larger vial (giving a 0.9%-1% final BA percentage). Just as an experiment to see if it’s really a concentration-specific issue or a SSA/source production issue. Taking pictures at each step…

Chinese UGLs have used the "Sterile water not BAC" shit for years when any peptide reconstitution issue comes up. Heard it multiple times from QSC and others.

That ain't it.

Higher concentration promotes aggregation (along with other factors), and 40-42iu is pushing the limit in a 3ml vial. At that concentration, without any surfactant excipients (used by pharma for high concentration rHGH), if anything is a little off, slightly damaged monomers (from heat, light, oxygen, agitation while reconstituting), aggregation is pretty likely.

Reports on lobster of similar issues from a couple of customers. Seems to happen more in the Summer months, which makes me think it may be exposure to very high heat in transit.

 

[niqTM]

I have been recon'ing my 36iu GH with 1ml water. You guys are saying that is not enough?

 

[Photon]

I have been recon'ing my 36iu GH with 1ml water. You guys are saying that is not enough?

I use .5ml with Q's 40iu..
6 vials..then i put into an insulin cart..

Cold bac water, then i leave it in the fridge to slowly dissolve.
Have not faced any cloudy or stringy situations yet.

 

[Ghoul]

I have been recon'ing my 36iu GH with 1ml water. You guys are saying that is not enough?

In a mannitol only formulation (no buffers or surfactants to protect against aggregation), the highest concentration pharma uses is 15iu/ml. More than that causes aggregation, whether it's visible or not.

When higher concentrations are used, the excipient ingredients become more complex to protect the rHGH.

TLDR, the lower the concentration, the less rHGH will degrade via aggregation.

 

[CharlesV]

i go half, so about 2.0 on those 40iu tested kits or 15.5 on the 31iu varieties. my very unofficial field research shows it’s fine.

the sheer number of kits SSA (and QSC before them) push out on a daily basis, compared to the amounts of complaints, leads me to think the issue is not really as widespread as it’s being made out to be.

it’s be nice if we had the wherewithal to do legit in depth studies on this shit, but it’s not going to happen.

 

[niqTM]

i go half, so about 2.0 on those 40iu tested kits or 15.5 on the 31iu varieties. my very unofficial field research shows it’s fine.

the sheer number of kits SSA (and QSC before them) push out on a daily basis, compared to the amounts of complaints, leads me to think the issue is not really as widespread as it’s being made out to be.

it’s be nice if we had the wherewithal to do legit in depth studies on this shit, but it’s not going to happen.

What would you see if it wasn't "fine"?

My QSC 36iu (40iu) vials always look clear, no floaters, no cloudiness. Is there anything else I should be looking for?

 

[Infernalmango]

Chinese UGLs have used the "Sterile water not BAC" shit for years when any peptide reconstitution issue comes up. Heard it multiple times from QSC and others.

That ain't it.

Higher concentration promotes aggregation (along with other factors), and 40-42iu is pushing the limit in a 3ml vial. At that concentration, without any surfactant excipients (used by pharma for high concentration rHGH), if anything is a little off, slightly damaged monomers (from heat, light, oxygen, agitation while reconstituting), aggregation is pretty likely.

Reports on lobster of similar issues from a couple of customers. Seems to happen more in the Summer months, which makes me think it may be exposure to very high heat in transit.

So for Optis 60iu vials, you’re saying there is likely a good chance to see similar things? They are going to be in 5ml vials I believe.

 

[Ghoul]

So for Optis 60iu vials, you’re saying there is likely a good chance to see similar things? They are going to be in 5ml vials I believe.

If you reconstitute with 5ml it'll be a lower concentration than 3ml for 40iu, so it somewhat reduces the risk, but if 60iu is sitting around reconstituted for a month that will make things worse. Unless the savings per iu was significant, I'd personally stick to lower iu vials so they get used more quickly.

I had an 18iu vial reconstituted, then went unused for 2 months because plans changed. Crystal clear. When I tried to filter it, 13mm filter completely seized up half way through.

After reconstituting a fresh vial from the same kit, it filtered just fine. That told be the "clear" vial was packed with subvisible aggregates. By the time you can see a microscopic "filament" aggregate with your naked eye, it consists of tens of millions of rHGH monomers stuck together.

 

[dinfar1337]

If you reconstitute with 5ml it'll be a lower concentration than 3ml for 40iu, so it somewhat reduces the risk, but if 60iu is sitting around reconstituted for a month that will make things worse. Unless the savings per iu was significant, I'd personally stick to lower iu vials so they get used more quickly.

I had an 18iu vial reconstituted, then went unused for 2 months because plans changed. Crystal clear. When I tried to filter it, 13mm filter completely seized up half way through.

After reconstituting a fresh vial from the same kit, it filtered just fine. That told be the "clear" vial was packed with subvisible aggregates. By the time you can see a microscopic "filament" aggregate with your naked eye, it consists of tens of millions of rHGH monomers stuck together.

just give me all your 60 iu vials if you use a month on them. i will run them through in under 10 days

 

[Ghoul]

just give me all your 60 iu vials if you use a month on them. i will run them through in under 10 days

Ten days happens to be my rule of thumb limit for max time I want a vial reconstituted.

More of an issue for the 2iu / day users.

 

[CharlesV]

What would you see if it wasn't "fine"?

My QSC 36iu (40iu) vials always look clear, no floaters, no cloudiness. Is there anything else I should be looking for?

i really don’t put much thought into it. i recon’ it, let it sit, check for clarity and blast away. i’ve never seen anything but clear reconstituted gh. TP (for years), Platinum (for a kit) , Opti, QSC, SSA, Lobster, in that order, have only had crystal clear gh.

we saw the issues a year or so ago with the yellow pucks, and more recently floaters and stringers, but i guess i’ve either had good luck or need glasses.

 

[dinfar1337]

Ten days happens to be my rule of thumb limit for max time I want a vial reconstituted.

More of an issue for the 2iu / day users.

this is good tho.

its like sticking those ugly ass 120mg tirzepatide vials in the head of 2mg users like me.

it will take me years to run through it. someone using 15mg could probably use 2 months on it.

but theres something for high iu hgh users now so we dont have to constantly recon

 

[mogulator]

Has anyone tried the MT2 recently I saw some people having cloudy vials after just a couple of days.

 

[Infernalmango]

If you reconstitute with 5ml it'll be a lower concentration than 3ml for 40iu, so it somewhat reduces the risk, but if 60iu is sitting around reconstituted for a month that will make things worse. Unless the savings per iu was significant, I'd personally stick to lower iu vials so they get used more quickly.

I had an 18iu vial reconstituted, then went unused for 2 months because plans changed. Crystal clear. When I tried to filter it, 13mm filter completely seized up half way through.

After reconstituting a fresh vial from the same kit, it filtered just fine. That told be the "clear" vial was packed with subvisible aggregates. By the time you can see a microscopic "filament" aggregate with your naked eye, it consists of tens of millions of rHGH monomers stuck together.

Gotcha. Is there actual health dangers in having gh stored for up to the 28 day limit? Or is it just product degradation?

 

[AllGoodThings]

just give me all your 60 iu vials if you use a month on them. i will run them through in under 10 days

I'm at 14iu/day trying to heal a ruptured tendon, so I'll use them in just over 4 days, therefore, in all fairness, they should go to me. Thank you.