1. i still have raws for a few months. and i'll buy ready-made products, if i can't find the raw sources.
2. PP used to have such raws listed on their international shipping. now, they apparently have not.
3. with Qingdao, it used to be simple stuff: send email asking for the price list, send the money and adddress (they even used to accept wise a few years back), and receive the package almost a month later. that's simple. specially if you have gone through the process before.
4. the post you mentioned, i couldn't get the answer i was looking for, so i logged out, because i actually have a job and a schedule to attend to. I was hoping that the qingdao situation would get solved in a few months. came back and apparently the situation in the supplier world is getting worse and worse. as to the post it still remains the shithole it was back then (just like this forum tends to be, due to it's community). none of my logical arguments were met with logic whatsoever. just the sheer stupidity of brain rotted people (chronic high dosages of steroids and serms actually have that effect, which has been scientifically verified).
5. people should cooperate (both for testing the stuff and spreading the sfatey information in an organized manner so that people could reference it and discuss it easily, and, eventually, even debunk it. but that would require some coordiantion, which is something gym-and-internet-dwealing apes here are virtually incapable of). however, this community finds it easier to act like low-iq children filling the threads with drama, memes, time-wasting braindead pseudo-intellectualism and logorrhea, that make simple queries like this (point out an europe-viable raw source) a hugely time-consuming ordeal.
6. if people were more organized and direct, up-to-date lists and easy-to-fill queries would be easy to maintain and keep up to date. anabolic steroid science has been remarkeably still for the last decades - other than a fad here and there.
8. compare this forum and its relatively stagant topics to "stack overflow", which deals with, by far, the most rapidly evolving field in human history: omputer science. hard questions there get answered, and the answers are easily searchable, so there's no piles of non-sense one need to get through in order to solve really difficult challenges. here, in meathead land, the queries should be theoretically easy to answer (for every topic, from pharmacology and physiology to source list) - just like nutrition, it's not an hard topic at all -, yet in order to get simple answers, one has to swim through shitpile of posts that lead nowhere, and people who actually have busy lives cannot afford to waste hours upon hours just to get simple answers. some of us do, because, sadly, there's no alternative.
7. i said it in this answer to that post you mentioned:
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You're wasting hours upon hours bouncing off each others responses,.reading emotional thread/reply after emotional thread/reply, until you feel ready to take the dive.
Which industry or group of people has ever been better off by having a pool of disorganized, meme-filled information to pick and bounce than having an organized, well-structured information that's easily discussable, referenced and pointed to?
Take highly technical, high performative, highly regarded forums like "stack overflow", and compare it to these meathead, hormone-imbalanced, bottom-10%-earners riddled forums (like meso), and compare the differences.
The reason why people keep asking the same questions here is because most of the previous questions didn't get a legitimate answer in the first place. And the few ones which did, that answer got lost in the abundance of stupidity, cliché-driven responses people like you post all the time ("stop wanting to be spoon-fed" / "do your own research" / "I'm a fucking parrot who learned this simple reasoning and can't think outside its flawed nature, so I'll keep thinking this way, because it makes me feel part of the meathead heritage which is all my personality! I need to feel like I belong!"). So, people who are actually busy (which none of you, who replied so far, is) end up having to waste hours to get a suboptimal result.
That's why something that's literally simply - like this time-stagnated 50 year-old+ steroids science -, or even source listing according to services and reach, take hours upon hours to be researched... once again, only for us to come up with suboptimal results.
Only with clear, structured, easily quoted or referenced information will the community evolve and take an active part in rising standards of consumption for users and, by market pressure, standards of production for sources. While every meathead relies in his own "study"/"research"/that-user-replies-a-lot-so-he-surely-is-a-reliabke-sourcr-of-information, consumers will keep be taken advantage of, and meathead like you, will still see subpar results in their training.
But, hey! You feel good in your own ignorance and stupidity, so keep tightening those tribal links among you! You sure are winners in life for one another.
Let's see your real-life achievements: seeing the way you stools reason together, I bet my right hand, they're all below-avarage.
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