Lean Bulking on AAS/fat gain and nutrient partitioning

[Deadpool99]

Hey guys,
I have never done a lean bulk on gear, in theory when on steroids when using high doses of test/tren/mast and gh/slin. What would be the best surplus, I was thinking 250 - 500 calories.

Also my question is: In theory if I'm on a 500 calories surplus, wouldn't my stack have insane nutrient partitioning and if I was supposed to gain 1lbs/week of fat, will I be gaining was less fat, maybe around 0.25lbs fat or even less instead? Is this a realistic take on how nutrient partitioning would work?

 

[wells14]

I always gain fat while in a surplus no matter how much or what compounds I use. Some compounds vastly improve nutrient partitioning, Tren specifically is known for this for example. However, in my opinion, its down to your genetic response to the gear, food and training that will determine the overall outcome.

 

[Deadpool99]

I always gain fat while in a surplus no matter what how much or what compounds I use. Some compounds vastly improve nutrient partitioning, Tren specifically is known for this for example. However, in my opinion, its down to your genetic response to the gear, food and training that will determine the overall outcome.

Yeah makes sense, I am also debating weather 250 calories is enough, or do I need something closer to 500 kcals.

 

[BabaJagga]

Yeah makes sense, I am also debating weather 250 calories is enough, or do I need something closer to 500 kcals.

you wanna run high doses of 3 anabolics + hgh + insulin... goin with so low kcal surplus sounds... bit weird at best.

 

[wells14]

Yeah makes sense, I am also debating weather 250 calories is enough, or do I need something closer to 500 kcals.

Just track your food and weight and up the food every week or two until your weight increases at the rate you like, its not rocket science.

 

[Deadpool99]

you wanna run high doses of 3 anabolics + hgh + insulin... goin with so low kcal surplus sounds... bit weird at best.

I spent a lot of time researching,
You could eat a 500–1000 kcal surplus and blow up, yes, but you’d also add a lot of fat and water. But theoretically with a smaller surplus, because Tren/GH/insulin would force more of those calories into lean tissue.

 

[Deadpool99]

Just track your food and weight and up the food every week or two until your weight increases at the rate you like, its not rocket science.

Mainly concerned about the weight I need to aim for, that’s what I meant with the calorie surplus, I just wanted to ask and see what people more experienced than me determine how much weight is optimal to gain per week.

As most people are more experienced than me and probably have tried more stuff than I have and may have some advice that would help.

 

[wells14]

Mainly concerned about the weight I need to aim for, that’s what I meant with the calorie surplus, I just wanted to ask and see what people more experienced than me determine how much weight is optimal to gain per week.

As most people are more experienced than me and probably have tried more stuff than I have and may have some advice that would help.

There is no specific formula that everyone follows. Diets are almost always personalised unless you have a lazy coach. If you're thinking about running Tren, GH, Insulin, etc then nutrition & diet shouldn't really be something you're still struggling to grasp the concept of.

 

[Deadpool99]

There is no specific formula that everyone follows. Diets are almost always personalised unless you have a lazy coach. If you're thinking about running Tren, GH, Insulin, etc then nutrition & diet shouldn't really be something you're still struggling to grasp the concept of.

I understand what you mean. I mainly ask these questions due to the personalized nature of things.

It’s not for the lack of knowledge, I just like to see what people think and have to say for what I have planned and I get curious what other people’s approaches are. I already have my laid out plan for an entire 74 weeks. All the planned dosages/compounds/macros. But I like to share and see what other people do cuz I find it interesting, I guess I have too much free time on my hands.

I just joined Meso after moving to the US and I got no one in my circle of friends and family who are interested in what I am interested in. So I get curious to see how much gear people use, how much they eat, how they cut and how they gain muscle. I like to understand everyone’s POV.

 

[Rival]

~+250calories sounds about right. You can easily calculate your TDEE and in a lean surplus I usually don’t go over 10%.

Use the Mifflin-St Joer formula to calculate your BMR depending on activity level. I use this all the time and it’s pretty damn dead on accurate for me.

If you dont want to manually calculate as your weight goes up then just use this calculator: https://legionathletics.com/tdee-calculator/

 

[Deadpool99]

~+250calories sounds about right. You can easily calculate your TDEE and in a lean surplus I usually don’t go over 10%.

Use the Mifflin-St Jose formula to calculate your BMR depending on activity level. I use this all the time and it’s pretty damn dead on accurate for me.

If you dont want to manually calculate as your weight goes up then just use this calculator: https://legionathletics.com/tdee-calculator/

Thanks for tip, I usually use TDEE calculators as a baseline then work my way from there, I already have my maintenance on various doses of gear, so I can easily adjust it.
I do agree with the way you calculate your TDEE, Mifflin-St Jose formula was spot on for me when I was a natural. Like to the dot, maybe 50kcals deviation.

 

[Rival]

usually use TDEE calculators as a baseline then work my way from there, I already have my maintenance on various doses of gear, so I can easily adjust it.

Yup that’s the way. Good on you for recording that, otherwise you’re just going to have to play the scale game.

 

[ackmack78]

It would be nice to get a consensus on what some of the guys here do.

I usually shoot for 1lb/week during a bulk with plenty of anabolics and GH. It served me well last year. This year I'm doing the same but I'm reversing up out of a diet from a really lean place(6.5% on a dexa probably closer to 8%). Trying the reverse as I thought I got a little too fat too quickly last year as the compounds built up. I also overhsot my 1lb a week in the beginning so trying to avoid that and stay insulin sensitive. I also learned I needed to look at my weekly pics better and not assume it's just bloat, which I'm going to work on this bulk I just started. Nothing wrong with holding weight for a couple weeks while body composition improves.

For my first cycle I did really well with 2lbs/week gain but wouldn't do that again. It was great for a 1st cycle but those kind of gains aren't happening again.

 

[Deadpool99]

It would be nice to get a consensus on what some of the guys here do.

I usually shoot for 1lb/week during a bulk with plenty of anabolics and GH. It served me well last year. This year I'm doing the same but I'm reversing up out of a diet from a really lean place(6.5% on a dexa probably closer to 8%). Trying the reverse as I thought I got a little too fat too quickly last year as the compounds built up. I also overhsot my 1lb a week in the beginning so trying to avoid that and stay insulin sensitive. I also learned I needed to look at my weekly pics better and not assume it's just bloat, which I'm going to work on this bulk I just started. Nothing wrong with holding weight for a couple weeks while body composition improves.

For my first cycle I did really well with 2lbs/week gain but wouldn't do that again. It was great for a 1st cycle but those kind of gains aren't happening again.

I'm trying to do the same, start the bulk at a low bf so at the end of it, I don't look extra fluffy, also going to try and take measurements weekly to gauge the fat gain.

I have the most OCD when it comes to caloric intake so I'm gonna start at 0.5lbs/week, until I get steady gains of 0.5lbs then I increase it after gauging the correct caloric surplus. Worst case I overshoot and gain 1lbs/week and that's still good.

 

[professionaldyel]

Questions like this make me really question who is behind the computer screen lol. If your nutrition sleep stress training and hydration arent in check your scale weight doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

[ackmack78]

I'm trying to do the same, start the bulk at a low bf so at the end of it, I don't look extra fluffy, also going to try and take measurements weekly to gauge the fat gain.

I have the most OCD when it comes to caloric intake so I'm gonna start at 0.5lbs/week, until I get steady gains of 0.5lbs then I increase it after gauging the correct caloric surplus. Worst case I overshoot and gain 1lbs/week and that's still good.

Ya not a bad idea. Dont be afraid to go with a maintenance diet on rest days and a 200 surplus on training days in the beginning as the compounds build up. You could stay at maintenance on rest days and increase training days cals by 100 as the weeks go on. I'd stop adding 100 cals when you get to 400 extra cals on training days and then reassess. Not sure how much you have to eat but keeping cals around maintenance on rest days can help with appetite esp as you get deeper into the bulk. You can always increase those rest day cals if weight starts to drop too much after a rest day. This would assume a longer bulk if you're doing 12 weeks you kind of have to hit it hard and fast.

My last bulk I ended at 5k cals on training days and 4500 on rest days. But I think I pushed it a bit too hard esp at the end trying to add every last oz of muscle i could. Didn't have bad results but could have kept a few lbs off at the end. I ran a 22 week cycle but at my age I deload every 6th week and take a break from the gym. This time I just finished week 1 at 3100 cal training days and 3k rest days, next week 3300 training days 3k rest days which is probably still a deficit for me since I'm starving

 

[Deadpool99]

Questions like this make me really question who is behind the computer screen lol. If your nutrition sleep stress training and hydration arent in check your scale weight doesn't matter in the slightest.

No one claimed these were not in check, which they are, for me atleast.

 

[professionaldyel]

Yeah but that's assuming these are in check, which they are.

anyone with experience in this field knows that the person asking this type of question doesn't have them in check.

 

[Rbvasques]

What i learned is that your “surplus” is a moving target, just keep weight gain at 0.5% to 1% your body weight a week, you will have to slowly ramp up food or anabolic, or both.

i usually save tren for cutting, since its great holding muscle, and i use reta for some of its food partitioning benefits and insulin sensitivity during bulking.

 

[Deadpool99]

anyone with experience in this field knows that the person asking this type of question doesn't have them in check.

Thankfully I got it in check, sleep/training/macros/supplementation/bloodwork all in check. I spend 100% of my day planning/improving my goals. And I am religiously strict.

I love asking due to curiosity, I ask these simple questions cuz no one rly asks and I spend 75% of my day planning these simple stuff and I love hearing people's thoughts. Sometimes digging deep into research literature discussing these simple stuff that seem like dumb question for someone who shouldn't be taking gear.