IndividualMan
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tbf it heavily depends on the Absorption rate of the Oil, No? I could Imagine Castor would solve the 1-2 hour peak. (castor propaganda)
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Trest E/D sources?
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ChemBB
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@Photon is right, the objective data we have on pharmacokinetics shows this is the case.
The human body is immeasurably complex. Does the fact that it has a short half-life mean that it's action + the action of metabolites is finished by that time?
Not necessarily. And if you "feel" it all day, then nobody can argue that case with you.
Can't vouch for any of these, but here's my list I have saved in a notepad file
https://gssteroids.com/product/trestolone-enanthate
https://avgsciences.com/product/tresto-e-gen-ment/
https://goldstandardsteroid.com/trestolone-enanthate-100mg-ml-injection-10ml/
https://aavelonepharma.com/products/trestolone-decanoate-10ml/
https://aavelonepharma.com/products/ment-d125/
https://dinespower.com/en/injectable/trestolone-enanthate-ment-injectable-steroid-in-vials
MENT Ace/Enanthate/Decanoate/Phenylpropionate/Base
(Lots of rare compounds listed on site)
https://www.steroid-peptide.com/steroids-raw/trestolone-steroids/
professionaldyel
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That objective data is on an implant not oil
Photon
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The data I linked was for im injections.
professionaldyel
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MENT Ac is an implant not MENT Acetate
ChemBB
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???
> "Since we anticipate using MENT acetate (MENT Ac) rather than MENT as the form of this androgen in humans, the bioavailability of MENT following the administration of MENT and MENT Ac was investigated in cynomolgus monkeys. Equimolar concentrations of MENT or MENT Ac were administered as a continuous subcutaneous infusion via Alzet osmotic pumps."
bigdaddyandfriends
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Trest A clears extremely fast because:
1. Acetate ester, among the fastest to be cleaved along with proprionate
2. Only UGL product so typically in MCT oil which is very thin and rapidly absorbed
3. No binding of free trestolone to SHBG, so rapidly eliminated
I dose it twice daily, split once am with my other oils, and another preworkout in the early evening. To me this is an advantage, as daily peaks and troughs various minimize side effects with "same area under the curve" and neurostimulation via androgenicity falls off when I go to sleep. If 'steady state' levels were desired, three injections per day would probably be necessary.
My current test dosing is 17.5mg enanthate + 5mg prop every am for this same type of effect. This fairly closely mimics the natural diurnal cycle in healthy young men, rather than the near steady levels seen in old men.
And terminal half life of any esterified androgen will never be the same as the ester's listed half life. And active time is different than half life. In MCT, I believe the terminal half time of test enanthate is about 4-5 days with an active time of 8-10 days, cypionate about 5-7 days with an active time of 12-14 days, and prop <1 day with active time of 2 days.
For those using only long testosterone esters, I think most would fare better using them as intended, ie 2-3x injections per week max, rather than daily. The body does not expect constant levels of hormones as it is an unnatural state. For non-aromatizable compounds, steady state may be better for anabolism but will also cause more side effects. For instance, sleep with tren A can be improved by taking it in the am so it is partially dissipated by evening. Tren E gives near steady state levels and will interfere with sleep considerably more at an equivalent dose when accounting for ester weight. There is also less effect on hematocrit with shorter esters; this is one reason why EQ is notorious for raising HCT, because even with weekly dosing it remains near steady state levels.
1. Acetate ester, among the fastest to be cleaved along with proprionate
2. Only UGL product so typically in MCT oil which is very thin and rapidly absorbed
3. No binding of free trestolone to SHBG, so rapidly eliminated
I dose it twice daily, split once am with my other oils, and another preworkout in the early evening. To me this is an advantage, as daily peaks and troughs various minimize side effects with "same area under the curve" and neurostimulation via androgenicity falls off when I go to sleep. If 'steady state' levels were desired, three injections per day would probably be necessary.
My current test dosing is 17.5mg enanthate + 5mg prop every am for this same type of effect. This fairly closely mimics the natural diurnal cycle in healthy young men, rather than the near steady levels seen in old men.
And terminal half life of any esterified androgen will never be the same as the ester's listed half life. And active time is different than half life. In MCT, I believe the terminal half time of test enanthate is about 4-5 days with an active time of 8-10 days, cypionate about 5-7 days with an active time of 12-14 days, and prop <1 day with active time of 2 days.
For those using only long testosterone esters, I think most would fare better using them as intended, ie 2-3x injections per week max, rather than daily. The body does not expect constant levels of hormones as it is an unnatural state. For non-aromatizable compounds, steady state may be better for anabolism but will also cause more side effects. For instance, sleep with tren A can be improved by taking it in the am so it is partially dissipated by evening. Tren E gives near steady state levels and will interfere with sleep considerably more at an equivalent dose when accounting for ester weight. There is also less effect on hematocrit with shorter esters; this is one reason why EQ is notorious for raising HCT, because even with weekly dosing it remains near steady state levels.
IndividualMan
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the oil absorption alone takes longer, i hope? I thought about diluting mine to 30mg/ml MENT A with castor to slow absorption
IndividualMan
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fuck they have a wide variety listed. goddamn Msten raws, odd esters, everyting. all the odd orals i heard the oldheads in my extended family talk about from the prohormone days.
I have to change my pants.
professionaldyel
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So again lol. MENT Ac is subdermal implant not the injectable oil that we use.
> To investigate the pharmacokinetics of MENT after i.m. administration, single i.m. injections of 2, 4 or 8 mg of MICRONIZED MENT were given in AQUEOUS SUSPENSION
> Micronization is a process that reduces the average diameter of a solid material's particles to the micrometer range. In pharmaceuticals, this technique is used to improve the performance of drugs, especially those with poor water solubility
> Testosterone Micronized Powder, a different compound, was once used by compounding pharmacies to create customized testosterone replacement therapies but has since been discontinued
and since we're all chatgpt experts
ChemBB
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You genuinely don't have the attention span to finish a paragraph, do you?
You can't help someone who can't read...
You can't help someone who can't read...
professionaldyel
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getting snarky when you still cant realize it was administered in a completely different solution lol.
> MENT or MENT Ac were administered as a continuous subcutaneous infusion via Alzet osmotic pumps.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxOwj2lqKY
> MENT or MENT Ac were administered as a continuous subcutaneous infusion via Alzet osmotic pumps.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxOwj2lqKY
Photon
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Did you read what you wrote.
IM Injections of a suspension. Yes it's not oil but it's an intramuscular(im) injection of MENT in water.
RAWS for orals and TNE are usually micronized. It's hard to cap orals when it's large lumps. However once dissolved in oil, it makes no difference.
professionaldyel
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A SUSPENSION makes you believe that the product we use that isnt suspension, needs to be injected twice a day?
nutcase6174
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did you end up doing this?
nutcase6174
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Trest Suspension
! I wish I could be one of those lab rats. Just imagining some PWO with some MTren...
LGOP528
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I need to pin trest ace twice a day because I am noticeably agitated in the evening. Most of the day is good though. Once I finish out trest e, I’ll put the trest ace I have into castor oil. You guys are funny arguing over studies, just pin it and see what it does.
My experience is n=1 but guess what, I only give a fuck about that 1.
My experience is n=1 but guess what, I only give a fuck about that 1.
bigdaddyandfriends
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Well I have mibolerone... methyltrestolone ie cheque drops. Tried only once made me quite aggressive then serious fatigue set in.Trest Suspension
IndividualMan
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I want me some mibolerone. I want catch a charge for attempted wildlife murder on a deer, and I think mibolerone might just make me aggressive enough to try it.
Hate those weird creatures. pokey legs, weird eyes.
bigdaddyandfriends
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Best advice when using it… (1) stay out of jail and (2) chase it with TUDCA, taxifolin, glutathione, and silymarin
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