BigTomJ
Member
Nobody has special hookups.
They might think they do, but all the pros are getting the same stuff that we are.
Best case scenario they have a private brewer that has the same raw access as every other reasonably connected brewer.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Nick Walker's Coach scoffs at "shortage" of primo / mast
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Nobody has special hookups.
They might think they do, but all the pros are getting the same stuff that we are.
Best case scenario they have a private brewer that has the same raw access as every other reasonably connected brewer.
RockyP
Member
Nick’s performance wiped the smug smile Right off of Kyle’s face anyhow
I’m nobody important but have been around the boards since the late 90’s and I can get my guys Mast E 200 and Primo E 200 today. I’m talking finished product, not raw powder.
I’m sure the member who said that there aren’t any private sources or private ugl’s can expand on what he meant(was it the op?). My definition of a private ugl is one that serves a finite group of members in the private or secret forum of an online bb’ing/steroid board.
Labs aren’t gonna get rich but they’ve got less eyes on them. The lab I’m with has been at it for more than a decade. He’s served 1 board since 2012. The owner of the board doesn’t allow labs that source on his board to serve an open board.
His prices have gone up some. He tests raws and finished product. He paid a little over $3k for 100 grams of Primo. He left the price alome but brewed it at 100mg/ml instead of 200mg/ml. I know the price actually doubled but he just had to change the mg/ml on his list.
He said Mast E is approaching the price of Primo as well. Its not there yet but it looks like it will be within a year if things stay the way they are.
This is kind of a weird paragraph. Just say his prices doubled, lol. You don't need 5 sentences to say "His Primo have prices doubled."
dinfar1337
New Member
im pretty sure i was the one who started it, but i dont think you meant me since i was clearly talking about raw sources.
the idea of private source makes sense for oils since i can just buy raws homebrew and be my own n=1 private source. but i also made sure to mention in my initial post theres no private sources, only those with higher moqs for raws and most of us cant get in contact with them. you can take your private brewer as example he is paying 30k for 1kilo primo
just dosent make sense for raws since you need spacy expensive equipment which requires a safe location which is hard to get and profit is lower than ugls profit for example.
there'll always be some china man or indian man connecting us to those factories.
poverty vs 2.5-3 billion people
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dinfar1337
New Member
just be clear. chinese sources probably dont look like this. but they need something similar in terms of safety for themselves and not leaking anything hazardous out in the trash/sink etc eg(super spacy).
and thats just the department that synthesites the chemicals. if i knew were they were getting the chemicals from i would save up 500k hire few chinese chemists and take the risk for you all
BP_6
Member
I remember years ago when there was a controversy many years ago with nandrolone being used on AIDS patients with many saying it was a lifesaver for them.
Then it was discontinued. The patients complained and the excuse given was basically that they couldn't find any manufactures what made it. Then some AIDS activist collation did some work and said they contacted and found like 17 different manufactures from all over that were fully capable of producing nandrolone basically if they were given an incentive $ to.
Point being I am sure there are chemical manufactures all over the world fully capable of producing anabolic raw materials of probably anything you like. The harder part is getting ones that will slip some to the "grey" markets.
Then it was discontinued. The patients complained and the excuse given was basically that they couldn't find any manufactures what made it. Then some AIDS activist collation did some work and said they contacted and found like 17 different manufactures from all over that were fully capable of producing nandrolone basically if they were given an incentive $ to.
Point being I am sure there are chemical manufactures all over the world fully capable of producing anabolic raw materials of probably anything you like. The harder part is getting ones that will slip some to the "grey" markets.
BigDadd7
Member
It was an explanation of the how and why of the price increase.
RockyP
Member
I don’t think the issue is that steroid raws can’t be made elsewhere. It’s just that they wont. Any pharma company or equipped laboratory can make you a truckload of Mast E overnight. There’s just no incentive for them to do so. We’re not talking rare earth metals here. I did just wonder what a on-patent primo would cost from an American drug company. Prob something like $800 for a 10 ml vial.
ChemBB
Member
There are also private raws sources.
I reached out to a lot of suppliers in CN recently that listed CAS numbers of rare compounds. None of them would give me a public pricelist -- they only took CAS and quantity requests.
I'm sure if I made a $10-30k order with them, then they'd give me a list...
That's not a private source, though - it's just one that has a MOQ. Anyone that can hit that point could make the order, not just a private client list.
ChemBB
Member
I see what you're saying -- but on the other hand, if they won't tell you what they have, feels pretty private to me lol
Thorshammer
Member
^^this^^ exactly those dudes are just not in the know and haven't been told whats going on by the lab they are dealing with.
RockyP
Member
Seems that way. One of the biggest Primo maximalist pros (Jewett) is apparently now running test / mast / EQ in his current regimen.
Thorshammer
Member
You need reactor vessels and explosion proof fume hoods and still gotta be able to source all the precursors. Starting from ground zero would take a massive operation.
BP_6
Member
Despite the rumors over the years. In general I have seen absolutely zero evidence that pro's have some "special" sources. They much more likely than not use the same sources we all use more or less. Just as pro's don't have some secret magic workout routine, or some secret magic diet.
Their true biggest secrets are their genetic gifs including how well they respont to anabolic stimulation, their structure, how they store fat.
Their true biggest secrets are their genetic gifs including how well they respont to anabolic stimulation, their structure, how they store fat.
Thorshammer
Member
I can say I know for a fact they do not have any special sources.
RockyP
Member
….aaand Nick fired Kyle. Surprised it took so long.
urmumsurdad30
Member
Yeah not sure why they even linked up to begin with
Eddie.
Member
Because he has no options obviously! He has part ways with most of the top tier coaches and nobody would want him back, he's finished buisness. I won't be surprised if next official coach would be his mom lol.
To be fair though, Kyle did a great job with him but clearly they missed the peak. What matters is what you present on stage and not how you look a week ago or after but i guess nobody could argue he improved him.
