My First cycle after 20 years

[Liter O' Test]

Far better than the argument of “I’m addicted to water” LOL. Do you feel good coming up with that one? Water, protein and fats are necessary, unlike carbs.

My argument is that the guys from 50 years ago who ate no carbs and are bigger and leaner than you meanwhile you sit here and complain and cope with with “carbs are more anabolic than roids” since you can’t gain muscle while on a gram of gear LOL.


i mentioned carbs effects on insulin and MUR already. I never argued against the fact that carbs are ideal (people like tom platz switched from zero carb to carb diet, which you can see the interview on the same channel i linked) for muscle growth, but to say that no carbs negates gear usage and you can’t gain muscle while not eating them with it is laughable beyond belief and bs. Go tell that to Arnold, tom platz etc LOL. Genuine moron. We definitely evolved in 50 years to the point where it’s now humanly impossible to gain substantial muscle without carbs, didn’t we?

ok man this forum is not the place for you, go argue with people over nonsense somewhere else, clearly youre so much smarter than every bodybuilder all the pros and coaches etc

the brain runs on glucose maybe thats why youre so dumb

 

[white-boyka]

ok man this forum is not the place for you, go argue with people over nonsense somewhere else, clearly youre so much smarter than every bodybuilder all the pros and coaches etc

Again being an illiterate retard. Nowhere did I say don’t eat carbs. I said they are ideal for muscle growth. I simply just stated you are an idiot. Also no arguments on your part. Multiple IFBB pros and coaches use keto periodically. You’ll see that if you head over to professionalmuscle (who are all by the way, bigger and leaner than everyone on this shit forum).

the brain runs on glucose maybe thats why youre so dumb

Brain can be supplied on ketones with no issues + gluconeogenesis exists.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Again being an illiterate retard. Nowhere did I say don’t eat carbs. I said they are ideal for muscle growth. I simply just stated you are an idiot. Also no arguments on your part. Multiple IFBB pros and coaches use keto. You’ll see that if you head over to professionalmuscle (who are all by the way, bigger and leaner than everyone on this shit forum).


Brain can be supplied on ketones with no issues + gluconeogenesis exists.

im not reading your stuff because youre dumb and argumentative

 

[IndividualMan]

pure energy

nutritionally empty.

lmao.
lmfao even.

Carbs make me big and strong. Carbs make anyone big and strong.

As a diabetic, I can inject insulin whenever I fucking please. In whatever amounts.
Insulin+ Fat+protein? feels shit. feel small and empty.
Insulin+ low fat+ low carbs+ high protein? also feels shit. feel, again, small and empty.
the insulin is not the thing that makes you big full and strong. It is the carbs. The insulin only helps put the carbs in the muscle. Without the carbs, the insulin is just a thing that helps you not atrophy and wither away.

The only path to being full and strong all the time without getting too fat due to overeating calories is high carbs high protein low fat. Not this carnivore chicanery. goddamn circus clowns pushing this bad joke of a diet.

Carbs make you full and strong, protein is needed for ideal muscle gain, as it is the building block every muscle cell is made of. Fat is only needed in small amounts to stay relatively healthy, and it is the easiest macro to overshoot calories on. Thats how you should order your macros. highest to lowest Carbs, Protein, fat.
And dont forget your fiber, which could easily be higher than your fats.

 

[IndividualMan]

Again being an illiterate retard. Nowhere did I say don’t eat carbs. I said they are ideal for muscle growth. I simply just stated you are an idiot. Also no arguments on your part. Multiple IFBB pros and coaches use keto periodically. You’ll see that if you head over to professionalmuscle (who are all by the way, bigger and leaner than everyone on this shit forum).


Brain can be supplied on ketones with no issues + gluconeogenesis exists.

"Glucose is not needed, which is why my body destroys infinitely more unique and historically limited ressources to replace it"
You are a joke, man. come on.

 

[white-boyka]

Insulin+ Fat+protein? feels shit. feel small and empty.

You don’t feel shit if you are fat adapted. You feel small because you don’t have any substantial muscle mass and are glycogen and water depleted.

The only path to being full and strong all the time without getting too fat due to overeating calories is high carbs high protein low fat. Not this carnivore chicanery. goddamn circus clowns pushing this bad joke of a diet

If you want to be ballooned up with water sure. Low /no carbs + fats + protein will get you just as lean minus the water. Again, not the point, I said carbs are ideal for muscle growth in the previous reply. You clowns are all illiterate it seems.

the insulin is not the thing that makes you big full and strong.

Insulin is anabolic genius.

Fat is only needed in small amounts to stay relatively healthy,

Funny how the fat is needed to make you healthy and not carbs. Almost like all the vitamins in food are fat soluble. Almost like all food that is actually nutrient dense like red meat, eggs, dairy etc is all high in fat.

lmao.
lmfao even.

You say lmao to nutrient void while eating your cereals pasts and rice lol.

Again, I never said carbs and protein to not be the ideal diet for putting on muscle mass. It is. I just argued that saying you can’t gain muscle on a diet that doesn’t include carbs (+ the fact he was on a gram of Test and still couldn’t gain muscle LOL) is an extremely moronic thing to say and is bs. A body builders diet of cereals, pasta, rice and shitty nutrient void carbs is ideal for gaining muscle, but absolute crap by every other metric.

Basically your argument was carbs store water in the muscle so I look bigger. Real solid argument.

 

[Liter O' Test]

You don’t feel shit if you are fat adapted. You feel small because you don’t have any substantial muscle mass and are glycogen and water depleted.


If you want to be ballooned up with water sure. Low /no carbs + fats + protein will get you just as lean minus the water. Again, not the point, I said carbs are ideal for muscle growth in the previous reply. You clowns are all illiterate it seems.


Insulin is anabolic genius.


Funny how the fat is needed to make you healthy and not carbs. Almost like all the vitamins in food are fat soluble. Almost like all food that is actually nutrient dense like red meat, eggs, dairy etc is all high in fat.


You say lmao to nutrient void while eating your cereals pasts and rice lol.

Again, I never said carbs and protein to not be the ideal diet for putting on muscle mass. It is. I just argued that saying you can’t gain muscle on a diet that doesn’t include carbs (+ the fact he was on a gram of Test and still couldn’t gain muscle LOL) is an extremely moronic thing to say and is bs. A body builders diet of cereals, pasta, rice and shitty nutrient void carbs is ideal for gaining muscle, but absolute crap by every other metric.

Basically your argument was carbs store water in the muscle so I look bigger. Real solid argument.

youre on a bodybuilding forum go away goofball , find somewhere else to argue

 

[IndividualMan]

You don’t feel shit if you are fat adapted. You feel small because you don’t have any substantial muscle mass and are glycogen and water depleted.


If you want to be ballooned up with water sure. Low /no carbs + fats + protein will get you just as lean minus the water. Again, not the point, I said carbs are ideal for muscle growth in the previous reply. You clowns are all illiterate it seems.


Insulin is anabolic genius.


Funny how the fat is needed to make you healthy and not carbs. Almost like all the vitamins in food are fat soluble. Almost like all food that is actually nutrient dense like red meat, eggs, dairy etc is all high in fat.


You say lmao to nutrient void while eating your cereals pasts and rice lol.

Again, I never said carbs and protein to not be the ideal diet for putting on muscle mass. It is. I just argued that saying you can’t gain muscle on a diet that doesn’t include carbs (+ the fact he was on a gram of Test and still couldn’t gain muscle LOL) is an extremely moronic thing to say and is bs. A body builders diet of cereals, pasta, rice and shitty nutrient void carbs is ideal for gaining muscle, but absolute crap by every other metric.

Basically your argument was carbs store water in the muscle so I look bigger. Real solid argument.

you are so right and abolutely primal Ketopilled bro. You are not completely wrong and unable to follow the simple logic of
More water/carbs in the muscle->Stronger Person-> more mechanical tension during training-> better gains

I could be super duper lean, but instead i choose to be super watery. Its not like I can see the striations in most of my muscle groups (except abs, glutes & upper parts of the legs) after weeks of getting more than half my daily cals from carbohydrates.

And as @Liter O' Test said, we are on a Bodybuilding harm reduction forum. The shortest path to the most gains is the goal. less time needed to make your gains = less time you need to expose yourself to harmful drugs at high doses. Thats harm reduction.

This is not a forum for your hollistic pseudohealth delusions.
And again:

nutrient void

carbs

You gotta be one of the short bus kids, man.
"carbs have no nutritional value. They are just PURE ENERGY"
"Carbs (a macroNUTRIENT) are void of nutrients"
just listen to yourself, man. A regular person could not be this stupid if they tried their hardest.