MESO-Rx

Anabolic Steroids

Wuhan Wansheng Biotechnology Co., Ltd. (USA, International)

nogainz said:
Testing is not the weird gamble in the above-described scenario.
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if its sugar pills vs real product. On $50 of product it's either a $200 cost for certainty that its real, or money back if its bunk. If sugar pills, then there's not much harm.

Unless i get other data points from people saying it should taste like shit, then i'm really not able to make an informed choice.

Sadly with this shitty test reimbursement policy it puts the costs and risk of testing on the customer which only makes a lot of sense at certain economies of scale (or with strong evidence rather than my suspicion based on taste).

Would rather throw it out than throw out $200 more.
 
setters said:
Stating the obvious, they're not miracles and they're not anywhere near as potent as AAS. They're not going to overcome bad habits, and they're not going to add much to someone on a high cycle because there's too much other noise to notice anything. And everyone responds differently to things, they could do zero for you and work well for someone else. However I don't believe in the idea that they don't work if your mitochondria are already so perfectly healthy - that's just not possible in the world we live in and especially if you're messing with other compounds.
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I’m just on trt currently with a few units of gh. I keep trying them because I hear everyone raving about them but I’ll wait a few months and try again and see what happens
 
nogainz said:
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Once a week administrations are already showing clinical effectiveness subsiding after about a year, which is why most semaglutide users switched to tirzepitide. If switching from one blast a week to three moderate doses reduces the effectiveness even more, I'm already on Reta longer than I was on sema before it stopped working. So I guess I'm either a special case, or perhaps the risk they purport is just that, and not an assurance that this is a statistically proven result of violating their precious once a week approach, which yields maximum public compliance and profit, not optimal administration.

And as far as their "concern" over immunogenicity, at least in my case both my homocysteine and CRP have come down significantly during my taking of Reta (CRP by 50%), so I'm not sure when that is supposed to kick in, but it sure is taking a while, and frankly moving in the opposite direction.

I see zero concern based on this risk characterization, but to the degree that some people get scared back into once a week administrations, good on you...
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Extended pharma trials of Sema and Tirz show no loss of effectiveness 3 years after weight loss plateaus and a stable maintainance dose is used. Weight and metabolic markers related to the GLPs stay within a tight range, there’s no slow regain of weight of worsening of diabetes (which has been seen with earlier GLPs that had immunogenicity develop in some patients).

What confuses all this is GLP appetite suppression subsides as you lose weight/fat. At some point you have to titrate up to lose more. But that’s not a loss of effectiveness. If you regain weight somehow, on the same dose, appetite suppression will return. Basically, a specific dose of a GLP will “set” a metabolic target weight and appetite will only be suppressed above that weight.

This makes noticing a loss of effectiveness vs plateauing even harder.

It’s easier with diabetics, where loss of blood sugar control is easier to spot (and should never happen with a GLP, unlike appetite suppression).
 
Whistles77 said:
if its sugar pills vs real product. On $50 of product it's either a $200 cost for certainty that its real, or money back if its bunk. If sugar pills, then there's not much harm.
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Sugar pills yes. What if it's Superdrol, or Prednisone, or Finasteride, all of which are on the same WWB tablet list?

$50 is not the cost of your pills. The cost is your current uncertainty about what you're putting in your body. Zero judgement, just a strange gamble given the source.
 
nogainz said:
Sugar pills yes. What if it's Superdrol, or Prednisone, or Finasteride, all of which are on the same WWB tablet list?

$50 is not the cost of your pills. The cost is your current uncertainty about what you're putting in your body. Zero judgement, just a strange gamble given the source.
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If another drug, then im fucked. If theres good reason to suspect its another drug then i agree....its worth testing.

Without good reason, then unless buying at big scale, chinese vendors are uneconomical to buy and test.

You're right though in what you say. It's been 6 months since my last chinese purchase, and i probably shouldn't have done it. Good reminder. At least it was cheap.
 
Whistles77 said:
if its sugar pills vs real product. On $50 of product it's either a $200 cost for certainty that its real, or money back if its bunk. If sugar pills, then there's not much harm.

Unless i get other data points from people saying it should taste like shit, then i'm really not able to make an informed choice.

Sadly with this shitty test reimbursement policy it puts the costs and risk of testing on the customer which only makes a lot of sense at certain economies of scale (or with strong evidence rather than my suspicion based on taste).

Would rather throw it out than throw out $200 more.
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Too bad there wasnt like a drug kit likw for meth or weed you could use juat to test if its real. Only thing you wouldnt know is purity
 
Whistles77 said:
Without good reason, then unless buying at big scale, chinese vendors are uneconomical to buy and test.
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SSA reimburses $300 but they are gone..
HYB reimburses 55%?
And GGB reimburses 40bucks?

I don't recall the specific numbers tho, might have changed.

You could try crowdsourcing to test...
 
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