Anyone microdose tren?

[atruse]

So you added 35 mg per week tren to TRT with test only? What test dose? Did you get any psychological sides from the tren such as increased aggression or irritability?

You started the tren at the same time you ended 3 months of reta? What was your reta dose? Did you lose weight over the 3 months on reta?

Yah 35mg/week, in top of 105mg/week trt.
Just tried for 6 weeks to test it out, couldn’t go longer since my blood workc is due soon for my trt script

Nothing effected my mood at all, like I said, it wasn’t very noticeable other then a bit more push in the gym, and I was a bit more horny lol but that could have been placebo knowing I was on tren

And yes, I did 4 weeks 1mg, 4wks 2mg, and 4 wks 4mg, I lost a bunch of weight, went from about 194 to 180, lowest weight I’ve ever been as an adult. Improved lipid markers and A1C as well.

It effected my morning diet to much though, in a negative way, and since I workout at 5am, I couldn’t eat before the gym, so it was effecting performance, that’s why I pulled it for now.

Will bring it back in when I need to cut again.

 

[Zbignew]

My ideal dose of Tren is 0mg/week

My body and mind just don't like Tren, nor Deca: I get all of the sides and none of the gains.

So I give up, never again.

Conversely my body and mind LOVES DHT drugs like Mast and Primo. I respond very well to those.

So fuck it, I'll keep what works for me, and abandon what doesn't.

 

[Albertaboy73]

Lowest I've ran Tren A is 25mg ED. And even that seemed like more then enough. I prefer ED injections. When I look back to my early days of Tren use I can't comprehend how I got through the 100mg ED. If it wasn't for Zopiclone sleeping pills I would never of slept while running Tren. 25mg or 100mg made no difference. No sleep!

 

[safet]

Dude thats 700mg a week, no wonder you had side effects

 

[adrenalytic]

just finished 6 weeks of 5mg/day Tren ace

So that's what, 35 mg /week? Nice. I'm currently 3 weeks into 20 mg week of Tren E so I don't have stable serum level yet but I am noticing an increase in weight but not fat. I have been slamming 4000+ kcals a day on this bulk and I can't get fat (250+protein, low fat diet and mostly (but not all) clean carbs). The partitioning between DHB and Tren is fucking chef's kiss.

 

[mcap]

Yah 35mg/week, in top of 105mg/week trt.
Just tried for 6 weeks to test it out, couldn’t go longer since my blood workc is due soon for my trt script

Nothing effected my mood at all, like I said, it wasn’t very noticeable other then a bit more push in the gym, and I was a bit more horny lol but that could have been placebo knowing I was on tren

And yes, I did 4 weeks 1mg, 4wks 2mg, and 4 wks 4mg, I lost a bunch of weight, went from about 194 to 180, lowest weight I’ve ever been as an adult. Improved lipid markers and A1C as well.

It effected my morning diet to much though, in a negative way, and since I workout at 5am, I couldn’t eat before the gym, so it was effecting performance, that’s why I pulled it for now.

Will bring it back in when I need to cut again.

Why stop microdosing tren for the blood work? AFAIK tren won't effect TRT related markers and would you not wanna know how tren effects your lipids, etc?

 

[atruse]

Why stop microdosing tren for the blood work? AFAIK tren won't effect TRT related markers and would you not wanna know how tren effects your lipids, etc?

Well first it was just to do an experiment since I had never run tren before
Second it can throw off your estrogen markers since we don’t use sensitive e2 testing
And I don’t want to be risking any unwanted attention from my doc to keep my script flowing

Like I said
I’ll bring it back again soon enough
There’s no rush

 

[Spicyballs]

Seems like this is the right thread, if not let me know.

Never ran Tren before, except an oral “prohormone” Tren back in 2009 when GNC still sold prohormones to 18 year-olds and everyone swore it was “all the gains, none of the sides.” I was a naive 22-year-old, bought the hype, and paid for it with insane night sweats (towels on towels for two straight weeks) and a sorority girlfriend who I thought had a much more busy social calendar than reality. Aborted mission and never looked back.

I’ve run pretty much everything else (Test, EQ, NPP/Deca, Var, Tbol, etc.) with decent success. My biggest limiter has always been old injuries flaring up, especially a surgically-repaired wrist, that usually hit late cycle or right after everything clears and force me out of the gym for weeks. Watching hard-earned size melt off the scale is soul crushing.

For years I stayed on the “Tren sides aren’t worth it” side of the fence. But after the last couple of years of reading logs, studies, and listening to guys I respect, talk about how low-dose Tren is much better and easier to manage, especially for people who struggle to grow, I’m finally pulling the trigger.

Plan:
Test 250 mg/wk (TRT before and after)
Tren A 100 mg/wk - split EOD. Goal: slow clean bulk through winter (bedroom windows cracked), currently ~15 % BF

Past 19-nor experience: Deca killed my libido and EQ around weeks 6-8 and gave me some mental fog. I know people used to lump Deca and Tren together because they’re both 19-nors, but almost everything I’m reading now says low-dose Tren A is a completely different animal.

I’m expecting the “you don’t know until you try it” answers, and I’ve seen guys in other threads swear 100-150 mg/wk is life-changing with almost zero sides, while others say even 25 mg EOD turns them into an insomniac rage monster. So I do feel like it's nearly impossible to predict sides.

So, first real Tren run at nearly 40 years old. Night-sweat towels are already in the closet, window cracked open, Caber on hand, P5P and taurine stocked.

I don't talk about PE usage to anyone close to me. So any thoughts are much, much appreciated!

 

[atruse]

Seems like this is the right thread, if not let me know.

Never ran Tren before, except an oral “prohormone” Tren back in 2009 when GNC still sold prohormones to 18 year-olds and everyone swore it was “all the gains, none of the sides.” I was a naive 22-year-old, bought the hype, and paid for it with insane night sweats (towels on towels for two straight weeks) and a sorority girlfriend who I thought had a much more busy social calendar than reality. Aborted mission and never looked back.

I’ve run pretty much everything else (Test, EQ, NPP/Deca, Var, Tbol, etc.) with decent success. My biggest limiter has always been old injuries flaring up, especially a surgically-repaired wrist, that usually hit late cycle or right after everything clears and force me out of the gym for weeks. Watching hard-earned size melt off the scale is soul crushing.

For years I stayed on the “Tren sides aren’t worth it” side of the fence. But after the last couple of years of reading logs, studies, and listening to guys I respect, talk about how low-dose Tren is much better and easier to manage, especially for people who struggle to grow, I’m finally pulling the trigger.

Plan:
Test 250 mg/wk (TRT before and after)
Tren A 100 mg/wk - split EOD. Goal: slow clean bulk through winter (bedroom windows cracked), currently ~15 % BF

Past 19-nor experience: Deca killed my libido and EQ around weeks 6-8 and gave me some mental fog. I know people used to lump Deca and Tren together because they’re both 19-nors, but almost everything I’m reading now says low-dose Tren A is a completely different animal.

I’m expecting the “you don’t know until you try it” answers, and I’ve seen guys in other threads swear 100-150 mg/wk is life-changing with almost zero sides, while others say even 25 mg EOD turns them into an insomniac rage monster. So I do feel like it's nearly impossible to predict sides.

So, first real Tren run at nearly 40 years old. Night-sweat towels are already in the closet, window cracked open, Caber on hand, P5P and taurine stocked.

I don't talk about PE usage to anyone close to me. So any thoughts are much, much appreciated!

Considering everything you just laid out here, Why don’t you start at half the dose before jumping up to 100mg?
Just curious, why that is your chosen starting point.

I think it’s good to have all the ancillaries available and towels etc, but at 30-40mg you might get most the benefits without any of those side effects.
Given your prior history with deçà, I would be cautious with tren.
If at low dose your tolerance is good, then move up to 75mg and so on. Using Ace, you should notice it’s effects in less then a week.

I think tren is potent enough, that you will be surprised at what 50mg will do.

Now that my 6 weeks trial is done (35mg) and my body comp has flattened out. I can say that the effects of that dose alone made considerable difference in body composition, and im looking forward to bringing it back in, and might even just use 25mg

 

[zmurphy]

Seems like this is the right thread, if not let me know.

Never ran Tren before, except an oral “prohormone” Tren back in 2009 when GNC still sold prohormones to 18 year-olds and everyone swore it was “all the gains, none of the sides.” I was a naive 22-year-old, bought the hype, and paid for it with insane night sweats (towels on towels for two straight weeks) and a sorority girlfriend who I thought had a much more busy social calendar than reality. Aborted mission and never looked back.

I’ve run pretty much everything else (Test, EQ, NPP/Deca, Var, Tbol, etc.) with decent success. My biggest limiter has always been old injuries flaring up, especially a surgically-repaired wrist, that usually hit late cycle or right after everything clears and force me out of the gym for weeks. Watching hard-earned size melt off the scale is soul crushing.

For years I stayed on the “Tren sides aren’t worth it” side of the fence. But after the last couple of years of reading logs, studies, and listening to guys I respect, talk about how low-dose Tren is much better and easier to manage, especially for people who struggle to grow, I’m finally pulling the trigger.

Plan:
Test 250 mg/wk (TRT before and after)
Tren A 100 mg/wk - split EOD. Goal: slow clean bulk through winter (bedroom windows cracked), currently ~15 % BF

Past 19-nor experience: Deca killed my libido and EQ around weeks 6-8 and gave me some mental fog. I know people used to lump Deca and Tren together because they’re both 19-nors, but almost everything I’m reading now says low-dose Tren A is a completely different animal.

I’m expecting the “you don’t know until you try it” answers, and I’ve seen guys in other threads swear 100-150 mg/wk is life-changing with almost zero sides, while others say even 25 mg EOD turns them into an insomniac rage monster. So I do feel like it's nearly impossible to predict sides.

So, first real Tren run at nearly 40 years old. Night-sweat towels are already in the closet, window cracked open, Caber on hand, P5P and taurine stocked.

I don't talk about PE usage to anyone close to me. So any thoughts are much, much appreciated!

I 2nd the low dose. I ran 35mg TrenA per week and got zero sides and decent results. You can always up the dose but if you start at 100mg and get sides you'll never find your tolerable dose.

 

[Spicyballs]

Considering everything you just laid out here, Why don’t you start at half the dose before jumping up to 100mg?
Just curious, why that is your chosen starting point.

I think it’s good to have all the ancillaries available and towels etc, but at 30-40mg you might get most the benefits without any of those side effects.
Given your prior history with deçà, I would be cautious with tren.
If at low dose your tolerance is good, then move up to 75mg and so on. Using Ace, you should notice it’s effects in less then a week.

I think tren is potent enough, that you will be surprised at what 50mg will do.

Now that my 6 weeks trial is done (35mg) and my body comp has flattened out. I can say that the effects of that dose alone made considerable difference in body composition, and im looking forward to bringing it back in, and might even just use 25mg

Appreciate the response. The reason for my 100mg/wk starting point is because that looks to be the happy spot for max benefits / manageable sides. With that said, might not be the happy spot for sides, and by halving that, I may be in the minimal sides zone.

I have a few more weeks before I kick it off, but I may start with 10mg eod, which is significantly lower than 25mg eod. I definitely like the slower and more calculated approach leaving room for adjustment.

Did you try the eod first or you started at ed pins? After years and years on TRT and lines of sands (scar tissue) in my glutes, I just switched to slin pins and eod test shots vs 2x/wk. No clue why it took me so long. I'm not sure if this is placebo or not, but I've noticed a much more stable feeling in everything and feel like I've dropped a few lbs of fat and bumped up a few lbs in muscle. No more peaks and valleys.

Again, I appreciate your insight atruse!

 

[Spicyballs]

I 2nd the low dose. I ran 35mg TrenA per week and got zero sides and decent results. You can always up the dose but if you start at 100mg and get sides you'll never find your tolerable dose.

I 2nd your 2nd. Seems like the obvious choice here. Room to adjust while testing the waters. Not to mention, I may get everything I'm looking to get out of it.

What were your results and how long did you run it?

Thanks

 

[zmurphy]

Appreciate the response. The reason for my 100mg/wk starting point is because that looks to be the happy spot for max benefits / manageable sides. With that said, might not be the happy spot for sides, and by halving that, I may be in the minimal sides zone.

I have a few more weeks before I kick it off, but I may start with 10mg eod, which is significantly lower than 25mg eod. I definitely like the slower and more calculated approach leaving room for adjustment.

Did you try the eod first or you started at ed pins? After years and years on TRT and lines of sands (scar tissue) in my glutes, I just switched to slin pins and eod test shots vs 2x/wk. No clue why it took me so long. I'm not sure if this is placebo or not, but I've noticed a much more stable feeling in everything and feel like I've dropped a few lbs of fat and bumped up a few lbs in muscle. No more peaks and valleys.

Again, I appreciate your insight atruse!

I did TrenA EOD and didn't notice any difference from on days to off days. I structured it so my big lifts were on pin day, but I think that was mostly mental rather than actual benefit.

 

[zmurphy]

I 2nd your 2nd. Seems like the obvious choice here. Room to adjust while testing the waters. Not to mention, I may get everything I'm looking to get out of it.

What were your results and how long did you run it?

Thanks

I ran it for 60 days and got off to check bloods. So far I'm pretty pleased. Going from 200 Test to 225 test/125 Primo/35 TrenA my
AST went up 8 points to 25
ALT went up 4 points to 21
eGFR went from 90 to 82
Everything else stayed rock solid

I was 235lbs and fluffy when I started. I'm down to 230lbs and have 100% put on a few pounds of muscle while in a 500+cal deficit.

 

[atruse]

Appreciate the response. The reason for my 100mg/wk starting point is because that looks to be the happy spot for max benefits / manageable sides. With that said, might not be the happy spot for sides, and by halving that, I may be in the minimal sides zone.

I have a few more weeks before I kick it off, but I may start with 10mg eod, which is significantly lower than 25mg eod. I definitely like the slower and more calculated approach leaving room for adjustment.

Did you try the eod first or you started at ed pins? After years and years on TRT and lines of sands (scar tissue) in my glutes, I just switched to slin pins and eod test shots vs 2x/wk. No clue why it took me so long. I'm not sure if this is placebo or not, but I've noticed a much more stable feeling in everything and feel like I've dropped a few lbs of fat and bumped up a few lbs in muscle. No more peaks and valleys.

Again, I appreciate your insight atruse!

Right on man, looking forward to hearing about your experience

I inject every day, with slin pins yah, soon as a wake up And I gym at 5am-630, so it’s a PWO boost.

It’s just part of my routine now like brushing my teeth, I don’t run high doses of anything so can’t say I noticed any difference other then it’s just easier to do it ED

My next “blast” is similar @zmurphy was running.
210mg test 210mg primo 35mg tren A
Starting Christmas Day, that’s my gift to myself lol

 

[latrinelove]

What is the best ester to microsode like 10/20mg daily for say 6 to 8 weeks?

 

[Eddie.]

What is the best ester to microsode like 10/20mg daily for say 6 to 8 weeks?

If it's your first time using tren, definitely acetate. Most guys saying the best overall ester for tren is hex, it's like a different drug. I respond well to tren but i haven't found the courage to use such a long ester though, I'm playing it safe with acetate.

 

[latrinelove]

If it's your first time using tren, definitely acetate. Most guys saying the best overall ester for tren is hex, it's like a different drug. I respond well to tren but i haven't found the courage to use such a long ester though, I'm playing it safe with acetate.

Yes never done Tren before. I was told Ace is the ester that will give you the most side effects, while Hex is not suitable for daily injection. Go figure..

 

[Eddie.]

Yes never done Tren before. I was told Ace is the ester that will give you the most side effects, while Hex is not suitable for daily injection. Go figure..

A long ester is suitable for both frequent and infrequent injections, although dosing ed a long ester is dumb. Ace in some guys hits harder, indeed. But if for any reason you can't handle the sides from tren you can stop it and in a few days return back to normal.

With a long ester if anything goes bad you'll have to fight it for weeks before returning to baseline.

Although TBH i don't think sides from 100-140 tren will be that much. I'm still doing Ace every day despite i hate the ed pinning.

 

[latrinelove]

A long ester is suitable for both frequent and infrequent injections, although dosing ed a long ester is dumb. Ace in some guys hits harder, indeed. But if for any reason you can't handle the sides from tren you can stop it and in a few days return back to normal.

With a long ester if anything goes bad you'll have to fight it for weeks before returning to baseline.

Although TBH i don't think sides from 100-140 tren will be that much. I'm still doing Ace every day despite i hate the ed pinning.

Thanks for the explanation mate.