Why do some people run growth hormone releasing peptides instead of HGH?

i was very wrong about growth hormone secretagogues. they spike cortisol too much by convincing your body that you’re starving (ghrelin pathway) — skip the cortisol spike and take hgh directly. i sure as hell wish i took hgh when my growth plates were still open instead of blasting grams of gear!
 
i was very wrong about growth hormone secretagogues. they spike cortisol too much by convincing your body that you’re starving (ghrelin pathway) — skip the cortisol spike and take hgh directly. i sure as hell wish i took hgh when my growth plates were still open instead of blasting grams of gear!
Sounds like they don't work for you then. Not sure you can generalize to everyone, my cortisol was fine on tesa/ipa.
 
For the most part, possession and use of rHGH is not a crime in the US, at least no more than using unprescribed blood pressure meds would be. Possession with intent to distribute, and acts further up the chain from there is. (there are a couple of state level exceptions).

I can only speak regarding Tesamorelin, a well studied, FDA approved drug (Egrifta) with a long track record of safety.

For one. even without routine testing, it's generally safe for long term use. Acromegaly is not a risk, because you'll never exceed physiological levels of GH by enough to cause it. Similarly, new onset diabetes risk is very low. All natural pituitary feedback mechanisms are left intact. It can and has been used daily for decades with no "safety signals" of health harm. That's very appealing,

Tesa essentially mimics the "ideal conditions" that would trigger your body to max out endogenous growth hormone production. Perfect sleep, perfect nutrition, perfect health, and no stress,

ChatGPT didn't elaborate on why pulsatile release is beneficial. TLDR constant release like rHGH is not natural, and GH receptors can downregulate over time ("GH resistance").

That's why Tesa is very effective at reducing visceral fat at doses inducing much lower levels of GH/IGF than required to achieve similar fat lipolysis with rHGH. The pulses don't cause a loss of receptor responsiveness that occurs with constant exposure to GH. Visceral fat reduction is Tesa's main reason for existence, but it provides the other familiar rHGH benefits on skin, hair, nails etc at a level roughly similar to 2iu of rHGH.

So this makes for a good anti-aging, general health use case vs inherently riskier rHGH. Tesa is a modest GH increasing minivan with an automatic transmission, while rHGH is a manual sports car with no safety features by comparison, requiring monitoring of glucose, IGF, kidney function, lipids, getting timing right, managing sides etc.
Is it a fair statement that someone taking 2iu of agh daily would have similar effects on visceral fat as someone taking 2mg or Tesa daily?
 
Is it a fair statement that someone taking 2iu of agh daily would have similar effects on visceral fat as someone taking 2mg or Tesa daily?

No, in that case Tesa will be more effective. It’s very selective for visceral fat loss. You need supra-physiological doses of rHGH to get similar visceral fat loss. 4iu rHGH would be closer, perhaps slightly more effective.
 
I've tried gh and tesamorelin. Tesamorelin wins hands down for me. 2 reasons :

- cost-effective : most people take the daily 2mg dosage as gospel. I was able to raise my igf-1 levels by ~100 in 4 weeks using only 0.5mg tesamorelin daily. That's cheaper than GH.

- doesn't interfere with my sleep, unlike GH. Didn't matter which time of the day I took GH, I always felt like crap the next morning.
May I ask how old you are?
 
Guys, does taking GH permanently suppress your natural production? I just started CJC-1295/Imp because of that concern, although I'm honestly not expecting much from that. Also concerns about joint pain and water retention. So to answer the original question, in my case, concern and not knowing what information to trust regarding sides and dosage.
 
Guys, does taking GH permanently suppress your natural production? I just started CJC-1295/Imp because of that concern, although I'm honestly not expecting much from that. Also concerns about joint pain and water retention. So to answer the original question, in my case, concern and not knowing what information to trust regarding sides and dosage.
No.
 
Guys, does taking GH permanently suppress your natural production? I just started CJC-1295/Imp because of that concern, although I'm honestly not expecting much from that. Also concerns about joint pain and water retention. So to answer the original question, in my case, concern and not knowing what information to trust regarding sides and dosage.
What CJC? What protocoll? Tesamorelin is way more potent
 
What CJC? What protocoll? Tesamorelin is way more potent

CJC 1295/IPA blend. I'm doing 250mcg after 3 hours fasting and right before bed. I chose it over Tesa because at 2mg / day that would have cost $260 assuming I do it just 5 days per week. I have seen GH less expensive. So, I figured I would try the CJC/Imp blend and if that didn't work, try GH.
 
Guys, does taking GH permanently suppress your natural production? I just started CJC-1295/Imp because of that concern, although I'm honestly not expecting much from that. Also concerns about joint pain and water retention. So to answer the original question, in my case, concern and not knowing what information to trust regarding sides and dosage.

No it doesn’t. GH production recovers very quickly after stopping rHGH or Tesa. No suppression whatsoever.

In fact there are some indications (weak) that Tesa may “rejuvenate” GH production to an extent, providing a modest but long term increase in GH production.
 
For me I don't 100% trust all Peptides yet. I am trying them out slowly myself to see how I do on them. So for now it's HGH. In the long run if they do what it is said they do there are less risks and sides. I grew up in the age of scam steroid-like pills. I have a hard time believe in things that sound too good to be true. So far I have liked what i have tried (mainly Tirzep and Semaglutide) Working on a few right now. HGH works and I know it works.
 
How long did you take it and @2mg? What was your body fat when you started... did you have a belly or already somewhat lean? Thanks!
So i actually noticed this during my bulk.

When i started my bulk i was acceptably lean (could see clearly my first two rows).

Ans what i always noticed was that i had a "belly" even though you could see my abs.

I didnt gain much fat during my bulk but my belly shape changed. At first i though this is only my imagination. But im now 3 weeks into my cut and im pretty certain.
However please take it still with a grain of salt, i have no dexoscan or something similar.

What has WOTHOUT ANY DOUBT changed are my lovehandles. They disappeared. Which isnt considered viz fat but still worth mentioning.

My protocoll was the following (same for bulk and cut)

-right after waking up and befire my fasted cardio: 100mcg CJC no dac + GHRP-2

-afternoon/directly after the gym: 100mcg CJC no dac + GHRP-2

- right before turning off the lights: 2mg Tesa+600mcg Ipamorelin.


You dont necessary need the 100mcg CJC no dac + GHRP-2 as Tesamorelin+ Ipamorlin right before bed is WAY MORE POTENT.

If you however use id i just want to add that if you work out very close to going to bed like me (less dann lets say 4h) i would pin the Tesamorelin right after the workout. Generally speaking its by far most effective before sleepimg but receptors get desensitized and Tesa is A LOT more expensive than CJC so i always wanted to make sure to get the gulk effect of my tesa.
If you dont work out so close to bedtime, ignore this. Or just stick in general with Tesa+Impa.


How long will it take: after about 1months the effects started to fully kick in. So i would say, run it at least 2-3 months
 
Thanks. I'm 61, if Tesa would work for me using just 0.5mg daily, heck even at 1mg daily, that would be a good option. Did you use it every day?
You can start low.

I just want to say that with my regime i got BAD sideeffects over time. But i also used other Somastatin inhibitors before bed (6mg Melantonin and GABA) which further pushed GH release.

Realy bad waterbretentions, could make a fist in the morning. Taking a 1 week break tigether with a lot of natural diuretics fixed it mostly.

So yes 1mg Tesa + Ipamorelin would also be effective.

BUT YOU NEED THE IMPAMORELIN (or another GHRP for its Somastatin inhibition)
 
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