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underdosed testosterone
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hellerhiwater
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im on ~250 k4l test p and test e and my tt was 1450 and free t was 450
maybe you dont respond well?
on 300 from a prior batch of kits i had 1900 so thats not the case. same pin schedule eod, same timing 24 hr pin before blood draw. same hydration. same everything. must be due to the gear shortage causing underdosed stuff
BALLISTIC
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What is your question, is your test under dosed? How would we know?
You test your T level with labs, then assume it's under dosed? Why not test the T itself with Jano... Actually know the compound potency.
Your levels mean nothing, if you don't know how you respond. If the T was tested you would have something to go off.
What knowledge do you have to go off with your T level in labs where it is? Because others have blah blah? Nobody is the same. This is your first cycle. You don't know anything about you at all.
What's your free T? Shbg?
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on 300 from a prior batch of kits i had 1900. same pin schedule eod, same timing 24 hr pin before blood draw. same hydration. same everything. please enlighten me with some other reason that could explain this
BALLISTIC
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Wannabesamsulek
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Carrier oil, ester, temperature, bodyfat %, liver clearance rate, etc. do the community a service and test your test. They do reimburse for testing if im not mistaken...
hellerhiwater
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i know it seems like everything is the same especially if you're meticulously tracking EVERYTHING but even then there's so many variables that the only reliable way to figure out whether or not its underdosed is to test the vial specifically.
afaik you can send in 1ml of the oil to jano so you dont lose a ton of product to the testing.
there also exists another forum that meticulously vets sources and kits is on that board and has blind user test results. you might try and find that board and your batch in those blind tests just to see.
BALLISTIC
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Agreed, this...
Total testosterone can swing either way 20 to40% at the same dose purely from binding proteins, metabolism, blood volume, and assay timing. DHT production will increases
or 5alpha reductase upregulates, you will pull more testosterone out of circulation, lowering tT
it’s the exact same carrier oil stored the same, same bodyfat, same exact bloodwork outside of this.
i just highly doubt with supposedly the same exact product same time of drawing same pin schedule same diet same bodyfat same everything on nearly double the dose i could have less test ive gotten bw 4 times 3 times prior on my old batch each time a slight bump in total test levels with each dose bump and now on nearly double the dose with the only change being a new batch it’s anything else. ill test it and get the results in a month lmao. idec abt the money its just such a waste of 2-3 months if training my fucking ass off. it is good in a way because lately ive felt so beat up all the time and wondered how my recovery was so shit despite good sleep nutrition training etc. have some stromusc test stocked up from wwb im gonna run that for a few weeks and get bloodwork to see. anyone know the cheapest place to get a single testosterone total/free test uncapped? not worth paying for full bloodwork again
BALLISTIC
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There's a thread for labs.
Your missing the point and it's ignorance. Test the product. Otherwise your just wrong, no other way about it. The variables you mentioned are irrelevant unless it was a true control study. Feeding times, exact food repeated, hydration the exact ounces of water exactly the same time...etc...
Your are assuming and can't state anything as fact. So your waisting time, take 1ml previous batch, take 1ml current batch, send you Jano.
I'm not sticking up for this vendor, I've never used and don't care 2. But without Jano you can't say the T is under dosed. Your speculating at nothing.
hellerhiwater
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i use discountedlabs dot com
they have constant sales going on, and have a subscription option. ends up being very cost effective for the usual tests we want to run.
for your peace of mind; when i started my self-administered trt journey I dove headfirst into all this stuff and developed a weird hyperfixation on k4l specifically. my thought process was "if their order minimum is so high, they must be the best" so i spent irl weeks just tearing into them trying to find any reason to disprove that (flawed) idea of mine.
i am not trying to white knight for k4l, or convince anyone to use them. just sharing that across at least 3 boards and 3 big orders, ive encountered 2 notable issues;
the dbol 50 on their site tested as anadrol and that test result is posted on their site under that dbol 50 listing.no idea what was up with that.
on a really old board that doesnt have any particular focus outside of community rankings of sources, there was a customer who had vials filled to 10ml instead of 12ml as advertised. k4l sent $500 worth of gh to them. i think this is what sparked the note on their listings that the 12ml vials will be filled closer to 10ml.
im saying this to share my experience. to try and reassure you that
1) they will absolutely take care of you if the product is significantly or even more than slightly underdosed
2) they will almost certainly reimburse you for testing, but just to make sure they do, find a board they're on or email them about the specifications for testing (and blood work) reimbursement.
delay3s
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I mean your test is still 1500 why are you acting like it’s 200 or some shit lmao. If you’re “training your ass off” and sleep nutrition etc is dialed in you should still be making good progress, if your not then the test level isn’t the problem I can promise you that. Nattys make good progress with less than half that test level and a natural production of testosterone
Infernalmango
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First off - 450 is not double of 300.
Also, even if you were at 1900 on 300mg, that wouldnt equal 3800 on 600mg. Levels don’t double just because dose did.
Post your labs from pre cycle to the most recent if you want help deep diving
after my first pin of test i had 1000. after 225ish i had 1500 after 300ish i had 1900. now 2 months later after switching batches on 450ish i have 1500. i use half the ai i used on 300 for the same e2 level with 450. im just gonna test it and ill update in February or march by the time its done.
BALLISTIC
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Best choice
adrenalytic
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Haven't read all the comments but did anyone ask the simple question: was the test LC/MS? Because 1500 is Labcorps cap for the standard test.
hellerhiwater
Member
that would be one of the funniest things ive seen in a minute. really hoping its the case, youre a legend lmao
BALLISTIC
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It wasn't covered, but by assumption he had previous testing at 1900.
Either way I was hoping to explain he can't state anything without testing the compound specifically. His labs will have way to many plausible variables.
Maybe he'll listen to you. Haha
i had 1900 on 250-300 so if i have a 1500 now on half a gram it likely is “200 or some shit”
after my first pin of test i had 1000. after 225ish i had 1500 after 300ish i had 1900. now 2 months later after switching batches on 450ish i have 1500. i use half the ai i used on 300 for the same e2 level with 450. im just gonna test it and ill update in February or march by the time its
yes it goes over 1500 it was 1572 its lc/ms via quest
