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[bigstepper]

I mean the goal of sending to Jano (at the moment I did not know Primal would reinburse), was to be completely safe and focus on harm reduction/ peace of mind. Hence why I spent over $400.00 to test. So that’s all I can say as far as my handling is I was absolutely making sure to be as precise and clinical as possible since I was to pin this shit. So at least from my own end I am confident and feel my approach was the best possible.

I dont have issues with Primal, I continue to buy his gear and love his process. But I do prefer to test. Soon Ill send some mots and glow for testing, both from Primal.

To be clear, there doesn’t seem to be anything terribly wrong with it aside from the fact that it doesn’t appear to be exactly what was claimed.

It was suspiciously excluded from his own testing. What are the odds the one thing he doesn’t produce a gcms test for recently also comes up inconsistent with his claims and all the others? He was even asked to comment on it specifically and did.

 

[Photon]

Can some one explain why Pharma grade has so much more in it then the UGL GSMC test results.

You can just type in google, cottonseed oil coa
You'd get something like this


Now it doesn't show up on GCMS as that, because GCMS shows breakdown of components (not quality), most of it in chemical terms (not human readable ones).

MCT on the other hand is clean..



Pharma uses cottonseed because that's the one used in human trials. Nobody's going to spend millions in testing to show MCT can be used instead.

 

[Magenzus]

To be clear, there doesn’t seem to be anything terribly wrong with it aside from the fact that it doesn’t appear to be exactly what was claimed.

It was suspiciously excluded from his own testing. What are the odds the one thing he doesn’t produce a gcms test for recently also comes up inconsistent with his claims and all the others? He was even asked to comment on it specifically and did.

Yep, thats what I think too. At this point for me at least I will be testing and trust whatever the test says. Looking forward to using the Primo ngl!

 

[bigstepper]

Primo 100mg/mL and 200 MCT BACK IN STOCK! Highest quality MCT oil (Miglyol 812).

Test E and Mast E should be arriving within the next 3 weeks. Happy Holidays everyone. You need anything from us just holler.

Primo E GCMS

Primo E 100mg/mL -> 101.57mg/mL
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Primo E 200mg/mL -> 178.50mg/mL
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Primo E Raw -> 94.71%
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There was early skepticism…

Not wrong there, who knows. Wonder what the GCMS would look like on the 100mg seeing that is good but the 200mg is off, which has the GCMS ran on it

I think the thing I’m more curious about is, if the same raws were used, how did the 100 come in so tight, yet the 200 is so far off.

Anyone planning to GCMS the Primo100?

This current Primo is made from our own tested raw powder that we brewed ourselves. We will never resell finished oils again. That was a one-time move to cover demand when supply was tight. Only our own raws and our own brew go out from here and that’s the standard from here on out. (We thought we were doing you guys a favor for having it. That was definitely my bad and I will absolutely own up to it)

 

[CraneKraken]

So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.

 

[BigDadd7]

So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.

Melting caps is really weird

 

[BigDadd7]

R

Yep, thats what I think too. At this point for me at least I will be testing and trust whatever the test says. Looking forward to using the Primo ngl!

Eread what you wrote and tell me how it makes sense?

 

[Magenzus]

R

Eread what you wrote and tell me how it makes sense?

Figure it out dude

 

[Photon]

So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.

Never seen such stuff before..you got pics?
I mean even china oils aren't that bad..

 

[BigDadd7]

Figure it out dude

It made no sense

 

[Magenzus]

It made no sense

Ok

 

[jan912]

So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.

What needle gauge are you drawing with?

 

[newguy2]

What needle gauge are you drawing with?

Was going to say the same thing. And is this on the old stoppers or the new?

I know the big thing was the new stoppers recently, I appreciate that they won't degrade over time but man they're ridiculously hard. Using a slin pin not really an option as it dulls it so much.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

So I haven't been on here in awhile but wanted to share my recent experiences with Primal. For starters, I was a big fan of his oils and caps. I've probably done about 5 orders with him going back to his first few weeks on here. I've run his EQ, Test Cyp, Enan. Prop. Und. I've also run his MENT, Tren E and A, NPP and still have a couple bottles of his Deca for a rainy day. As for his caps I've used 3 bottles of his Anadrol 25, Sdrol, Dbol, Adex and Nolva. Prior to my most recent order the only issue I had was his green caps smudging when alcohol swab hit it. No big deal. I was happy and recommended him to a buddy.

Then on my last order the wheels came off. After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full. On top of all that, a bottle of Nolvadex I purchased from him in late September essentially melted and became completely discolored. Yet another product of his I now have to toss. The Nolva was stored in the same place as all my other tabs. It's dark and dry on the top shelf of my kitchen cabinet. The weird thing is I have 5 bottles of his caps in the same cabinet but only the Nolva changed color and the capsule essentially melted.

It's disappointing because he was a solid and reliable domestic source since the summer. Idk if he got too big too soon amd got overwhelmed with order from the Tik Tok clown brigade and Reddit cumts, or if it's as simple as he made a poor choice in choosing which rubber stoppers to use. Either way, I have to think long and hard about ordering from him any time soon. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but the Nolva is tougher to explain away. Especially since it was stored alongside the rest of his caps as well as in the same manner I've stored tabs and caps for almost 20yrs without anything like that ever happening.

We use Novapure stoppers. They’re of the highest quality. If you guys want us to use our old stoppers we will, but I would need a ridiculous amount of feedback beforehand. It would save us a lot of money but we will listen to you guys! The stoppers coring isn’t a widespread issue, it’s usually clients just using a harpoon lol… but if you asked for replacements I would’ve been more than happy to accommodate.

The melting caps make zero sense. Like absolutely zero and I would definitely appreciate more clarity on that so I can look into it.

We’ve only improved the quality of our vials, caps, rubbers etc since we’ve started. Only thing that was lagging was correctly labeling batches and batch numbers but that’s been fixed now too.

 

[k710]

Melting caps is really weird

Dont caps normally do the opposite as they age? They get brittle, flaky and crackly. At least in my experience. I have bags of clear vegan and regular capsules of different sizes. The vegans one have darkened a couple shades over the years (im talking empty caps, but any that were filled still seem fine) and the regular ones maybe a shade darker but practically look the same.

Has to be moisture for them to melt no? Maybe moisture got into the bottle via handling, poor seal or maybe shipping conditions? How were the cottronballs in the containers? Or the capsule ingredients had some moisture in them? Feel like that would be less likely though as they would have had issues with the whole stock and this is the first Ive heard of this mentioned.

And yeah, provide pics so we can all better analyze together!

After a few uses I began noticing stoppers coring out with ease. Floating rubber bits began showing up in my oils and it wasn't just one. I have bottles with multiple visible rubber chunks now floating around in the oil. Which explains the absolutely debilitating pip and mild infection I got in my glute last month. I very rarely get pip, even with Test C. After that injection I had a swollen glute and the entire area of injection was rock hard for a week. It was a miserable experience. I can only assume a piece of micro rubber invisible to the naked eye made it into the syringe before the larger chunks started appearing in the bottle. As a result I have to toss like 5 bottle of oil. All of which are roughly 70 to 80% full.

Hey brother! Just wanted to mention that If you ever come across poor quality stoppers (ex notice a vial from a batch starts coring) that you can prob assume all the stoppers are from the same batch and questionable. Before diving into multiple vials, especially only using 20% before coring/pip issues, one should transfer the contents out of the vial on the first piece into a vial with quality stopper.

I've seen people on the forum mention swapping tons of vials due to the same coring issues in order to save the rest of their orders or to prepare for long term storage safely.

If your stoppers are sitting submerged in the oil though, then you likely have stopper leaching already and should take the L.

P.S THIS GOES FOR ANY AND ALL VENDORS. Sometimes they order quality stoppers, but theres some type of production issue from factory and bam, you got some coring and problems. So best practice is from a buyers perspective, check every vial before every use. Maybe reach out the vendor thread if you notice an issue for support on how to address the situation and see if its a mass issue or a one off so they can address the whole lot if needed.

I mention this because Ive been in the same situation and know the pain of tossing tons of $ worth of gear.. and its not even the cost really, but the hassle of having your timeline pushed back and having to deal with any discomfort/pip that is possibly caused.

Since we are in Primal's thread and youve used him since he opened up, youve likely seen the progression of hardware used in the vials to address these issues in the past. I still have some green stoppers and most have been fine, but I did have one with coring. Im transfering all the oils im not currently cycling to new vials/stoppers for long term storage since the stoppers arent submerged in the oil.

Of course, these issues were addressed so this is for old stashed gear before they switched to the community recommended Nova Stoppers.

 

[k710]

Was going to say the same thing. And is this on the old stoppers or the new?

I know the big thing was the new stoppers recently, I appreciate that they won't degrade over time but man they're ridiculously hard. Using a slin pin not really an option as it dulls it so much.

I havent tried the new stoppers yet, but my Korean glutathione has some hard stoppers and definitely wouldnt want to pin with the same drawing needle. I use 30 guage to draw fine, but then switch to my fresh IM needle for pinning. Slin pins are convenient, but once you make the switch to luer-locks you wont want to go back. I know some ppl have mentioned back-filling slin pins but that seems a hassle

 

[newguy2]

I havent tried the new stoppers yet, but my Korean glutathione has some hard stoppers and definitely wouldnt want to pin with the same drawing needle. I use 30 guage to draw fine, but then switch to my fresh IM needle for pinning. Slin pins are convenient, but once you make the switch to luer-locks you wont want to go back. I know some ppl have mentioned back-filling slin pins but that seems a hassle

I mostly use luer locks, but now and then if I have a slin pin handy I might just use it. Not with the stoppers though. I'm not into back filling syringes, more me than it's worth.

 

[KOArtist]

seed oils bro

like 10 of those compounds are seed oil fatty acids (or bastardized relatives)

Like injecting potato chips or some shit

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Like injecting potato chips or some shit

Aye yooo I thought this was me lmaoooo

 

[danny91t]