SS-31 doubled REM sleep from 1hr to 2 hr. HRV 34 to 56.

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I took SS-31 (25mg) sq injection before bed.

Tried because this quote on reddit.

"I had a 97 out of 100 on my garmin watch
Before bed I took the following
-Ipamorelin -SS-31 -Oxytocin -GHK-cu"

I take Klow every night also. I will try with ipa tonight. I did take tesamorelin/ipa previous night.I have to get some oxytocin.

This was just one 90 Excellent sleep night. But my sleep has been fair 73 for weeks.
 
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I took SS-31 (25mg) sq injection before bed.

Tried because this quote on reddit.

"I had a 97 out of 100 on my garmin watch
Before bed I took the following
-Ipamorelin -SS-31 -Oxytocin -GHK-cu"

I take Klow every night also. I will try with ipa tonight. I did take tesamorelin/ipa previous night.I have to get some oxytocin.

This was just one 90 Excellent sleep night. But my sleep has been fair 73 for weeks.
So you're saying you took just SS 31? i'm confused what did you take?
 
I took SS-31 (25mg) sq injection before bed.

Tried because this quote on reddit.

"I had a 97 out of 100 on my garmin watch
Before bed I took the following
-Ipamorelin -SS-31 -Oxytocin -GHK-cu"

I take Klow every night also. I will try with ipa tonight. I did take tesamorelin/ipa previous night.I have to get some oxytocin.

This was just one 90 Excellent sleep night. But my sleep has been fair 73 for weeks.
interesting to take it before sleep. Intuitively i would have took it in the morning on an empty stomache. On the other hand i read that many people get really tired from it
 
Why would empty stomach make a difference?
I generally don't eat after 6pm. Many peptides work best when insulin is low. Tesamorelin is a requirement to inject when a couple hours fasted or the growth hormone and insulin interact blunting the visceral fat target. Not sure that it makes a difference with ss31.
 
First 2 pics show improved REM sleep with 20mg of SS31. 3rd is representative of what my REM sleep has been for past month
 

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I’m planning to start lighter: 5 mg in the morning, then move up to 10 mg and see how it goes. Might add Epitalon too, 10 mg before bed for about 10 days, full longevity nerd mode.

Only thing that caught my eye is taking SS-31 before bed. I’ve always seen it run in the morning, more “wake the mitochondria up” than “read them a bedtime story.” But if it works, it works.
 
Wow 25mg is the highest dose I have heard of, outside the Barth Syndrome trials that ran (I think) 40mg) a day. 25mg daily is expensive too for SS-31.

Here's my SS-31 story. I took MOTs-C 1mg for the first time a couple months ago and it made me jittery, weak and gave me palpitations. So after learning more, I stopped it and started SS-31 daily 4mg for a month. Then started back on the MOTs-C at 1mg daily which then gave me no side effects and definitely makes me feel more energetic. And continuing the SS-31 at 4mg although I will probably go down to 2mg to make it last longer.

I take the SS-31 at night and my sleep has been worse. But I am also taking nightly Tesa/Ipa, KLOW, ARA-290 and Cartalax so tough to say which one might be interfering with sleep.
 
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ss-31 5mg in the morning i've been doing, this is my second round of it (round as in taking a break between kits running out) . i've never tried taking it at night but i'll sure as shit be trying tonight so i can add it to my list of stuff that doesnt help me sleep better (hope im wrong). i did notice a few months back on the first round it made me a little tired during the day, not so much this round. garmin hasn't let me see a sleep score north of 35 in months. idk what garmin body battery metric actually is but i see people with +90 or higher and here i am happy if i wake up with +20 and its "empty" a few hours later.
First 2 pics show improved REM sleep with 20mg of SS31. 3rd is representative of what my REM sleep has been for past month
 
ss-31 5mg in the morning i've been doing, this is my second round of it (round as in taking a break between kits running out) . i've never tried taking it at night but i'll sure as shit be trying tonight so i can add it to my list of stuff that doesnt help me sleep better (hope im wrong). i did notice a few months back on the first round it made me a little tired during the day, not so much this round. garmin hasn't let me see a sleep score north of 35 in months. idk what garmin body battery metric actually is but i see people with +90 or higher and here i am happy if i wake up with +20 and its "empty" a few hours later.
Did you actually feel anything noticeable from SS-31, or was it more of a “my mitochondria are quietly grateful” situation? Did you run any bloodwork while on it?

People always say it’s great for kidneys and overall cellular repair, so I’m curious if you saw real, measurable improvements or if it’s one of those peptides that works in silence while you just hope it’s doing something.
 
Did you actually feel anything noticeable from SS-31, or was it more of a “my mitochondria are quietly grateful” situation? Did you run any bloodwork while on it?

People always say it’s great for kidneys and overall cellular repair, so I’m curious if you saw real, measurable improvements or if it’s one of those peptides that works in silence while you just hope it’s doing something.
i didnt go the route most people do lately where they run ss-31 before mots-c, i was already running mots when i got ss-31. i can tell you no miracles were noticed, at least not on the first round. could be just feels but i felt after a week or so this round the combo of those 2 i noticed more energy than just mots-c alone. without dropping the other stuff im running would be hard to say it was worth the price or just another copium support peptide.

however, if this sleep experiment works out i'd call that a miracle in my book. i'll be going for bloods this coming week while im still on it, not sure what i'd be looking for it to change though.
 
Why would empty stomach make a difference?
Fasting in general affects mitochndria a lot. The absence of insulin/carbs even more so. The main reason why the carnivor diet works so well for many mental illnesses is the effects on the mitochndria.

So my line of thought was: at least take it in the morning on a fasted sate and in the absence of insuline/carbs and maybe even pair it with some cardio.

(People always forget that our ancestors basically ate no carbs. During the ice age our diet consisted of meat. Protein and fat. Almost no berrys,nuts or fruits. And if you ever tasted a wild pear, you know that wild fruits a far from loaded with sugar.

"low energy/nutrient signaling (higher AMP/ADP:ATP, lower mTOR) tends to activate AMPK and therefore PGC-1α, a canonical pathway that promotes mitochondrial biogenesis and oxidative capacity. This is one route by which ketogenic or low-carb states can increase mitochondrial content and oxidative enzymes in muscle and liver in many studies.
The impact of diet upon mitochondrial physiology (Review):
The impact of diet upon mitochondrial physiology (Review) - PMC"

"β-hydroxybutyrate (BHB) is not just fuel — it has signaling roles (HDAC inhibition, receptor effects) that can up-regulate antioxidant defenses, mitochondrial gene expression and even mitochondrial dynamics/mitochondrial-derived vesicle formation in experimental systems. That can protect mitochondria from excitotoxic or oxidative stress in some models.
The Impact of Ketone Body Metabolism on Mitochondrial Function and Cardiovascular Diseases:
The Impact of Ketone Body Metabolism on Mitochondrial Function and Cardiovascular Diseases - PMC"
 
Fasting in general affects mitochndria a lot. The absence of insulin/carbs even more so. The main reason why the carnivor diet works so well for many mental illnesses is the effects on the mitochndria.

So my line of thought was: at least take it in the morning on a fasted sate and in the absence of insuline/carbs and maybe even pair it with some cardio.

(People always forget that our ancestors basically ate no carbs. During the ice age our diet consisted of meat. Protein and fat. Almost no berrys,nuts or fruits. And if you ever tasted a wild pear, you know that wild fruits a far from loaded with sugar.

"low energy/nutrient signaling (higher AMP/ADP:ATP, lower mTOR) tends to activate AMPK and therefore PGC-1α, a canonical pathway that promotes mitochondrial biogenesis and oxidative capacity. This is one route by which ketogenic or low-carb states can increase mitochondrial content and oxidative enzymes in muscle and liver in many studies.
The impact of diet upon mitochondrial physiology (Review):
The impact of diet upon mitochondrial physiology (Review) - PMC"

"β-hydroxybutyrate (BHB) is not just fuel — it has signaling roles (HDAC inhibition, receptor effects) that can up-regulate antioxidant defenses, mitochondrial gene expression and even mitochondrial dynamics/mitochondrial-derived vesicle formation in experimental systems. That can protect mitochondria from excitotoxic or oxidative stress in some models.
The Impact of Ketone Body Metabolism on Mitochondrial Function and Cardiovascular Diseases:
The Impact of Ketone Body Metabolism on Mitochondrial Function and Cardiovascular Diseases - PMC"
cant disagree on the carnivore/keto argument, the 14 months i did carnivore i was very strict about it. after the initial "keto flu" symptoms my brain was firing on all cylinders, mental clarity was without a doubt at least double what it was previously, i had sustained energy that seemingly never ran out, sleep was amazing.
downsides however, that sustained energy was sustained for a normal load, lighter workouts, some cardio. trying to do heavy workouts is where the cracks really showed without any carbs. cholesterol obviously another issue, those numbers all went up higher than i'm comfortable keeping them at regardless of how many youtube carnivore doctors say its perfectly fine.

as soon as i was back on a balanced diet with carbs, brain fog came right back, no more steady energy levels, sleep terrible, but gym gains undoubtedly improved which was no surprise. for me carnivore served its purpose, dropped over 120lbs in less than a year and its stayed off but i wouldnt try staying on carnivore as a permanent diet plan. wish i could have that mental clarity and sleep back though
 
Last night was bad rem. I mountain biked for 4 hours and had a moderate wreck. I ate brisket at 10pm. I normally dont eat after 6pm.Possible that previous 2 days were a fluke.
 

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This seems to go against medical trials. Could you share the research articles?
How about a less reputable Source: Instagram @tbbpepwellness on Instagram: "Why Growth Hormone Peptides Need to Be Taken on an Empty Stomach Your body has two signals that tell your pituitary gland to produce growth hormone: GHRH (during deep sleep or hard training) and ghrelin (when you’re fasted). Growth hormone secretagogues mimic these signals. But insulin binds directly to somatotrophs and suppresses growth hormone release. If you inject peptides while insulin is present, you’re pressing the gas and brake at the same time. Here’s where timing depends on your goal. Growth hormone by itself burns fat. But your liver needs insulin to convert growth hormone into IGF-1, which drives muscle protein synthesis. For fat loss: inject before bed. The growth hormone pulse burns fat overnight. For muscle growth: inject in the morning 30 minutes before eating. You get the full growth hormone release while fasted, then your meal provides the insulin needed to convert it into IGF-1. Want help optimizing your peptide protocols and timing strategies? Send us a DM video and information credit: @josh.holyfield This is for educational purposes only, not medical advice. #ghpeptides #peptides #peptideeducation #buildingmuscle"

You are correct time of day is not specified.

Another reason to take before bed is to match natural production.
 

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