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Iconoclast
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Don't get me wrong...I don't think aliens are good for our country in general, but right now would be the wrong time to purge them...IMO.
I live in Texas and I get my car washed at a place full of Mexicans, they spit polish my vehicle (inside/out) for $15...try getting that anywhere else. I have a Mexican housekeeper that is happy as hell to work for $8/hour (and yes, partially because I pay her in cash and she avoids taxes, so she gets full $8). I received like 60 responses off CraigsList when I advertised for the job---every one Mexican.
I think Dr.Scally, being a Texan, could vouch for my perspective (not to put words in his mouth however). Regardless of his stance on the Arizona matter, I think he'd have to agree that Mexicans compose the larger part of most construction crews/landscaping/cleaning/restaurant help/etc., and many other menial jobs that most Americans won't do for low wages (many Mexican families live in the same dwelling thus reducing their expenses....so they can tolerate a much lower standard of living---I mean anything is preferable to Juarez isn't it?)
This is a very difficult issue, but quite easily solved by building a large wall from East to West along the border....I mean hell, what's another fitty trillion dollars to Obama right????
I live in Texas and I get my car washed at a place full of Mexicans, they spit polish my vehicle (inside/out) for $15...try getting that anywhere else. I have a Mexican housekeeper that is happy as hell to work for $8/hour (and yes, partially because I pay her in cash and she avoids taxes, so she gets full $8). I received like 60 responses off CraigsList when I advertised for the job---every one Mexican.
I think Dr.Scally, being a Texan, could vouch for my perspective (not to put words in his mouth however). Regardless of his stance on the Arizona matter, I think he'd have to agree that Mexicans compose the larger part of most construction crews/landscaping/cleaning/restaurant help/etc., and many other menial jobs that most Americans won't do for low wages (many Mexican families live in the same dwelling thus reducing their expenses....so they can tolerate a much lower standard of living---I mean anything is preferable to Juarez isn't it?)
This is a very difficult issue, but quite easily solved by building a large wall from East to West along the border....I mean hell, what's another fitty trillion dollars to Obama right????
MAYO
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I live in Dallas. After military and paramilitary I went back to work in commercial construction (family ties). I know first hand the labor rates and availabilty among migrant workers. Construction is not a menial job by any measure. The least I would pay someone is 8 dollars an hour to pick up trash blowing around, and they are usually 15 year old kids. Labor crews START at 12 dollars/hr. If you are bilingual: 6 figures, citizenship optional. All of the aforementioned wages are tax and deduction free and over half of it will leave the US and be fed into Mexico's corrupt economy. These guys go home to Mexico and live extravagant lifestyles that you would never imagine off of their US dollars.
My solution:
1) Close the border
2) Give the Mexican gov't a mandatory deadline to have cartel activity under control; tell them that the next assault on US personnel by a Mexican national will be considered and act of war.
3) Declare war
4) Eradicate cartels early Afghanistan style. We think you are involved.....you and the family die. Fuck your humanitarianism.
5) Overturn current government and install new leaders
6) Negotiate cheap rates for raw exports as payment fo the reclaimation of Mexico.
Mexico benefits from removal of corruption and newly founded economy, we benefit by new partner in commerce and a closure to the gushing wound of illegal citizens' drain of our economy.
My solution:
1) Close the border
2) Give the Mexican gov't a mandatory deadline to have cartel activity under control; tell them that the next assault on US personnel by a Mexican national will be considered and act of war.
3) Declare war
4) Eradicate cartels early Afghanistan style. We think you are involved.....you and the family die. Fuck your humanitarianism.
5) Overturn current government and install new leaders
6) Negotiate cheap rates for raw exports as payment fo the reclaimation of Mexico.
Mexico benefits from removal of corruption and newly founded economy, we benefit by new partner in commerce and a closure to the gushing wound of illegal citizens' drain of our economy.
Iconoclast
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I like your style....Mexico is a shit country that's rotten to the core. But occupying foreign countries and installing new governments never works....honestly does it..... study history dating back to Alexander the Great's reign. Nope, just absorb it, imperial style, strip their politicians of all rank, disassemble their shoddy institutional frameworks, and kill the drug pushers.
But, realistically, the aforementioned probably won't work either. Look at modern day Russia; capitalism has failed there because socialism represents an inviolate part of their cultural fabric---as much as commerce weaves our historical tapestry here. It seems self dependence, ingenuity, ventursome entrepreneurship....all of which seem to be attavistic traits here in America, are completely enigmatic to countries where socialism was prevalent at any point.
There are really no answers to this...everybody's ideas are feckless. Build a giant fuckin' wall or kill them all before they destroy us......jeeezzzz that's hard for the bleeding heart humanitarians to hear isn't it?
But, realistically, the aforementioned probably won't work either. Look at modern day Russia; capitalism has failed there because socialism represents an inviolate part of their cultural fabric---as much as commerce weaves our historical tapestry here. It seems self dependence, ingenuity, ventursome entrepreneurship....all of which seem to be attavistic traits here in America, are completely enigmatic to countries where socialism was prevalent at any point.
There are really no answers to this...everybody's ideas are feckless. Build a giant fuckin' wall or kill them all before they destroy us......jeeezzzz that's hard for the bleeding heart humanitarians to hear isn't it?
MAYO
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I prefer the kill 'em all approach. Their untapped natural resources are second in magnitude only to Africa.
Iconoclast
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I'll vote for you.....
phoenixnative
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The problem arises when you have a flood of third worlders coming into our country. Our middle class is disappearing, adding millions upon millions of welfare recipients doesn't help. It's the middle class that takes the brunt of it.
MAYO
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Renegade69
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The middle class always gets the shaft. 
This situation should be resolved via 5.56
This situation should be resolved via 5.56
MAYO
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With some .50 and .308 long distance love 
Judge Blocks Parts of Arizona Immigration Law
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/28/us/AP-US-ArizonaImmigratio.html
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:16 p.m. ET
PHOENIX (AP) -- A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown (attached).
The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents -- including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/28/us/AP-US-ArizonaImmigratio.html
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:16 p.m. ET
PHOENIX (AP) -- A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown (attached).
The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents -- including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.
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passing the DREAM act would be one of the smartest legislative investments the USA has ever made. Immigration is a Federal issue, and States that jump up to usurp Federal power get the smackdown.
Well the feds did not do a smackdown on REAL ID or medicinal marijuana. The point is that if enough states defy the government there is nothing the government can do and they know it. This is not 1865 and things would be a whole lot different. Texas just kicked the EPA out of Texas and I don't see much happening there and it's just one state.
And the constitution was ratified with the clear intention that the federal government derives its power from the states so you are not describing America but rather a tyranny when you talk about a smackdown. A little research will show you what is happening in Europe with their full-fledged emplacement of multiculturalism sans assimilation. If you want that here, then have at it. I'm prepared to handle the fallout. Are you?
Illegal is illegal - period. If you allow illegal behavior in one instance then you have no basis upon which to stand up and state that anything is illegal. To the point - I should also be able to break the law and get rewarded for it. Give amnesty to illegal immigrants and then pay for their education and hospital visits and I should be able to no pay my taxes and get paid - oh, I don't know - ten thousand dollars for breaking the law. If you start playing relativism with legality then you are not far from an endorsement of anarchy.
No, Realpolitik is a reality. In the real world pragmatism dictates forging relationships with your enemy's enemy. Sure it can come back to bite you. When it does, you just deal with it. There is nothing surprising about any of this.
Jeton
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spare me the chicken-littleisms, this is a nation of immigrants and u preach assimilation on hand and a gestapo on the other. in the case of the DREAM act, u have whole generations of assimilated and acculturated children that America has invested in the health and education of, and u'd like to expel them or chase them into hiding?
Know-nothing Nativism, Racism and hypocritical reaction-formation are ancient currents in American politics...thankfully, they reliably lose.
spare me the chicken-littleisms, this is a nation of immigrants and u preach assimilation on hand and a gestapo on the other. in the case of the DREAM act, u have whole generations of assimilated and acculturated children that America has invested in the health and education of, and u'd like to expel them or chase them into hiding?
Know-nothing Nativism, Racism and hypocritical reaction-formation are ancient currents in American politics...thankfully, they reliably lose.
Europe is proving you wrong - very wrong.
Jeton
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non-answer.
Only to the uniformed. Its called news. You should watch it or read it sometime.
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