Gyno??

[mands]

Is it possible to get gyno above the nipple! Let's say 2" above. Or would this be just breast tissue growth or development? What are your thoughts? He is running 125mg Prop and Masteron EOD. Also he said that it was fe size of a flattened marble. Any comments would be great.

mands

 

[Sworder]

Yeah, it is possible. Frontload 120mg nolva and keep using until it goes away and then start using an AI and he should be fine. Am assuming it is a duct or node that is swelling. Recent or been there a while?

 

[mands]

Happened to him vary recently and almost popped up overnight. So you think it is breast tissue? Why not start an AI immediately like Letro?

Let me know your thought.

mands

mands

 

[hulkhogan]

Happened to him vary recently and almost popped up overnight. So you think it is breast tissue? Why not start an AI immediately like Letro?

Let me know your thought.

mands

mands

Letro is over kill for that cycle. That's like using a Howitzer to kill a rabbit.
Nolva is good enough but you sure he's seeing right? Guys get paranoid like crazy with gyno.

 

[Sworder]

With the letro he will probably take too much and end up feeling like shit for a week, plus gains will be slowed down drastically. Do the Nolva 120mg first day then 20mg after than 0.5 mg adex EOD. It should be gone within a week. Tell him not to stress it, happens a lot and he will just have to start running AI's with his cycle. I am assuming it is his first or second cycle and that he is like 2-3 weeks in.

 

[hulkhogan]

With the letro he will probably take too much and end up feeling like shit for a week, plus gains will be slowed down drastically. Do the Nolva 120mg first day then 20mg after than 0.5 mg adex EOD. It should be gone within a week. Tell him not to stress it, happens a lot and he will just have to start running AI's with his cycle. I am assuming it is his first or second cycle and that he is like 2-3 weeks in.

Yep Letro obliterates estrogen. That means no libido and he'll feel like shit. We need a little bit of estrogen to function properly. Letro stops like what- 96% of estrogen or something like that.

 

[Dr JIM]

MANDS
Two studies that I am aware of did a side by side comparison of Tamoxifen and Arimidex for the treatment of male gynecomastia (there's probably more).
The drop out rate was ten times higher in the Tamoxifen group (22% vs 2%) and the post treatment mean breast volume, as measured by sonography, was reduced twenty percent more with Adex. The treatment lasted three months while dosing Adex at 1mg QD and Tamo at 20mg QD. In my opinion, based on the literature a controversy no longer exists. Adex is the DOC for this condition because it's more effective with fewer side effects than Tamo. Additionally, because both are attainable generically, the cost of the two drugs is now comparable, ($43.00 for Adex and $38.00 for Tamo, at a nearby Costco). Letro is probably just as effective but is available by trade name only and thereby costs much more ($303.00 for a three month supply). Most physicians SHOULD / WOULD be comfortable prescribing either of these medications as "off label use" for the treatment of gynecomastia, especially if shown the relevant articles.
Regards
JIM

 

[mands]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm just concernced that he might be over reacting a bit as well. So you guys are certain that it's breast tissue? He has been on for 8 weeks or so and this is his fourth cycle.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Not sure but look into the following questions.
Does this cycle include more. AAS that are aroamatizable?
Is the tissue "sore" to touch?
Is the nipple region tender?
Has his percent body fat changed considerably?
All of these INCREASE the likelyhood of the condition being related to the adverse effects of estrogen.

 

[Sworder]

The tissue will be sore probably because he is touching it all the time. Sometimes my areolæ get sore but no nodes are swollen(lumps if you will) and sometimes I will get some swelling of nodes but after some Nolva they usually go down T-shirt bothering the nipples is typically an indicator that your E is a little high. . I think it is just a flare up but it is still strange that he has never encountered it on a cycle before. By the 4th cycle he should know that he needs an AI or a SERM

 

[mands]

Not sure but look into the following questions.
Does this cycle include more. AAS that are aroamatizable?
Is the tissue "sore" to touch?
Is the nipple region tender?
Has his percent body fat changed considerably?
All of these INCREASE the likelyhood of the condition being related to the adverse effects of estrogen.

To answer your questions.
1. He is actually running 150mg test Prop EOD and 100mg Masteron EOD
2. No not sore.
3. No his lump is 2" above his nips.
4. No he has not gained much fat at all
thanks Dr Jim

The tissue will be sore probably because he is touching it all the time. Sometimes my areolæ get sore but no nodes are swollen(lumps if you will) and sometimes I will get some swelling of nodes but after some Nolva they usually go down T-shirt bothering the nipples is typically an indicator that your E is a little high. . I think it is just a flare up but it is still strange that he has never encountered it on a cycle before. By the 4th cycle he should know that he needs an AI or a SERM

Again this is 2" above his nipples!

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

It doesn't appear to be related to estrogen then yet how long has he NOTICED it?
Maybe he's being hyper vigilant because of the new cycle as you originally suggested?

 

[mands]

It doesn't appear to be related to estrogen then yet how long has he NOTICED it?
Maybe he's being hyper vigilant because of the new cycle as you originally suggested?

I am beginning to think so. He said it came on really quick as well.

He just did tell me a second ago that he went into a urgent care facility and the doctor said it was breast tissue.

Thanks for the reply.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

gtg

 

[Sworder]

I am beginning to think so. He said it came on really quick as well.

He just did tell me a second ago that he went into a urgent care facility and the doctor said it was breast tissue.

Thanks for the reply.

mands

Doc said it was glandular tissue??

 

[mands]

Doc said it was glandular tissue??

He told me his doc said breast tissue.

mands

 

[Sworder]

He told me his doc said breast tissue.

mands

Ok, I assume he means glandular tissue then. Anyway do the Nolva and start an AI and he should be fine. The tissue won't disappear but it will shrink so it won't be that noticeable. Keep us updated

 

[BBC3]

I would think first - SOUND THE ALARMS... Because breast tissue development does start with the NIPS. At least technically in girls, which we are not. It is possible that he has been doing some development unnoticed prior. I will say that if I goof around when I am untrained, I can amost feel some pea size lumps around the pecks IFI AM AM REALLY PICKING. I have typically either found one on the other side to match (which is a good thing), or just never stumbled accross it again.. They may even be lymph nodes which would not be a great sign for anyone either.

There was a thread about a year of less ago about a guy similar, bhe wound up confessing to a car accident of something and I think said doc said it was just tissue growth due to. I dont recall.

One thing you can be sure of is that cancer does not pop up overnight as a large mass of its own, and also these type events are inflammations of either general histamine, or infection, lumph, normal we hope. But with that said, it should not be discount that an action like this COULD result as an inidcation that a cancer is ensuing, and that it is a temporary inflammation DUE TO. There is no way to know unless breast cancer is specifically found.

Finally, it should never be discounted when one does not have actual gyno as predisposed tissue deveopment general, of actual duct/gland development. It should not be understated that - If ones titties are SINGING with the lovely TINGLING of excessive steroid dosing, you can bet gyno development is likely in action. And when you consider that cancer starts with just a coulple of miscroscopic cells only to TAKE A LONG TIME to mature to a notable physical mass, WHAT ARE WE REALLY DOING TO OURSELVES AT THAT POINT?!?! They say MANY men have Prostate cancer as early as forties and fifties only to have if finally report at the age of seventy. So if we have cause the initial TRIGGER for cancer activity, CAN IT EVEN BE STOPPED PERMANENTLY??!!!!! Your friend should be concerned EITHER way, and should never touch exogenous hormones again, considering they are compleley NOT UNDERSTOOD, and he is leaving himself to the trust of the cannibals that really our medical system is.

Can you imagine in 50 years when we look back and scoff at the medical system that let illness FIRST ensue, only motivated by the profit to repair it?! The day the a simply blood draw or general scan detects the slightest cellular anomaly ensuing, and a treatment is prescribed to nip it in the bud when it is only 10 cells, instead of ten bazillion and already causing collateral and systemic damage???! Until then, they are doing their best. So until the technology arrives that allows us to PROFIT from the art of PREVENTION, we will have to be CUT ON/Cannibalized. LOL And with all that said, can you now see the inherent implications of acknowleging the mapping of the human genome structure!!?? THE SAFETY in this analysis is that you can see where the logic would remain to allow "Flawed humans" to procreate, else there would be no in$entive to sell new FLAW DETECTING TECHNOLOGY. So the day this arrives is the day you are living LOGAN's RUN get your green glowing diamond in your palm, and try not to think about the day it turns red!!!....

 

[leoclaw79]

you sure he didn't inject his chest? lol

 

[mands]

I would think first - SOUND THE ALARMS... Because breast tissue development does start with the NIPS. At least technically in girls, which we are not. It is possible that he has been doing some development unnoticed prior. I will say that if I goof around when I am untrained, I can amost feel some pea size lumps around the pecks IFI AM AM REALLY PICKING. I have typically either found one on the other side to match (which is a good thing), or just never stumbled accross it again.. They may even be lymph nodes which would not be a great sign for anyone either.

There was a thread about a year of less ago about a guy similar, bhe wound up confessing to a car accident of something and I think said doc said it was just tissue growth due to. I dont recall.

One thing you can be sure of is that cancer does not pop up overnight as a large mass of its own, and also these type events are inflammations of either general histamine, or infection, lumph, normal we hope. But with that said, it should not be discount that an action like this COULD result as an inidcation that a cancer is ensuing, and that it is a temporary inflammation DUE TO. There is no way to know unless breast cancer is specifically found.

Finally, it should never be discounted when one does not have actual gyno as predisposed tissue deveopment general, of actual duct/gland development. It should not be understated that - If ones titties are SINGING with the lovely TINGLING of excessive steroid dosing, you can bet gyno development is likely in action. And when you consider that cancer starts with just a coulple of miscroscopic cells only to TAKE A LONG TIME to mature to a notable physical mass, WHAT ARE WE REALLY DOING TO OURSELVES AT THAT POINT?!?! They say MANY men have Prostate cancer as early as forties and fifties only to have if finally report at the age of seventy. So if we have cause the initial TRIGGER for cancer activity, CAN IT EVEN BE STOPPED PERMANENTLY??!!!!! Your friend should be concerned EITHER way, and should never touch exogenous hormones again, considering they are compleley NOT UNDERSTOOD, and he is leaving himself to the trust of the cannibals that really our medical system is.

Can you imagine in 50 years when we look back and scoff at the medical system that let illness FIRST ensue, only motivated by the profit to repair it?! The day the a simply blood draw or general scan detects the slightest cellular anomaly ensuing, and a treatment is prescribed to nip it in the bud when it is only 10 cells, instead of ten bazillion and already causing collateral and systemic damage???! Until then, they are doing their best. So until the technology arrives that allows us to PROFIT from the art of PREVENTION, we will have to be CUT ON/Cannibalized. LOL And with all that said, can you now see the inherent implications of acknowleging the mapping of the human genome structure!!?? THE SAFETY in this analysis is that you can see where the logic would remain to allow "Flawed humans" to procreate, else there would be no in$entive to sell new FLAW DETECTING TECHNOLOGY. So the day this arrives is the day you are living LOGAN's RUN get your green glowing diamond in your palm, and try not to think about the day it turns red!!!....

I always enjoy your comments and ramblings! They mysteriously make a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the feedback.

you sure he didn't inject his chest? lol

First thing I asked him. lol

mands