BEWARE: HulkHogan = TheCludge = Known Scammer

[Dr JIM]

Amen deadman!

 

[bojangles2112]

One thing I don't get is everyone is a supposed "scammer" yet who has been scammed by anyone? It seems Hulk and Jagger are both competing scammers trying to out each other on a new battlefield.

Either way I would get rid of all these bums who argue. It really serves no purpose to for the board. It seems both Hulk and Jagger like to stir shit up and both seem to be "cut and paste" professors. I understand an "uncensored" board but if I post child porn here will it remain? There is no such thing as uncensored on the internet. Bums like this need the boot for the greater good of the community or they will flood the board with useless crap.

I agree with deadwood.This thread is exactly why this forum was gone for so long. The drama is not worth it. This reminds me of have multiple arguments i had with Ronald way but in 2003. And you know what 9 years later nothing has changed but the names of the players. Grow up and contibute to the community or just read the posts of the good bros who do contibute and just maybe you guys might learn something. I can promise you this for sure thread is going nowhere, and the agrument will never be settled.

 

[HDH]

LOL. I understand he didn't find GOD HDH. I was just putting that out there as an extreme. I figured it would get there attention and others. And it obviously did so. They stopped all the bullshit until it was brought back up again. Both of them are somewhat knowledgeable but would rather piss on each other than help the board out. That's why I stepped in to make a little peace and get things going in the right direction in here.

If anyone believes any private info given to them from either one of these guys such as sources or what not then they need their heads examined.

As for anonymity and AAS I should probably take Millard's advise and be more secretive. Shit I have had the sane handle here and use this name on other boards throughout the years. Never have changed it. Makes sense to me.

As you know this board IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER BOARDS bro! You have been around a long time and I have read and respect 99% of your post and opinion so please don't think I am trying to discredit what you are saying. But, you are wrong on the whole anonymity comment.

This is the "world" we live in.

mands

Look bro, no beef with you. I know you have been around as well and I have the same respect for you.

What you said in the earlier post was spot on but to just accept scammers being here and posting was about the last thing I expected from a long time vet like you. And yes, this board is definitely different. It's a great big kiddy board and these will be my last few stops here. This place used to mean something to me but now it's a big joke. I'm finally seeing why the vets that were here when I was new to the board won't come around.

HDH

 

[Dr JIM]

'Vets not coming around anymore", sounds like an outright CONTROL ISSUE to me!

 

[Jagger34]

One thing I don't get is everyone is a supposed "scammer" yet who has been scammed by anyone? It seems Hulk and Jagger are both competing scammers trying to out each other on a new battlefield.

Just how in the fuck did you arrive at the conclusion that "I" am a scammer? That makes no sense, unless you are confused about the definition of the word. Asshole yes, but certainly no scammer. At no point in my tenure here have I tried to get people to use a single product or turn them away from the same. Learn what the hell you are talking about before you let my name come out your mouth.

 

[HDH]

'Vets not coming around anymore", sounds like an outright CONTROL ISSUE to me!

You have no clue about any of this noobie. Take a look around this place. Nothing but fighting, bickering, ganging up, scammers posting, multiple accounts being used, sponsors and advertisers that rip people off. That's why long time vets don't come around. When you get some real time and board experience in, then you may speak of such things. Until then you are just a board parrot.

As a matter of fact the only one I see with a sack around this place is jag and nobody likes him because he speaks up. I checked it out and I see why you don't like him. He has made you look like an ass when you post over your own head and stick your foot in your mouth. He was exactly right about you. I feel for your patients. I could see that myself.

I saw you write in one post that you weren't here to try and impress with the doc shit (not a quote). That's just bullshit. If that wasn't true, you wouldn't have Dr in your user name and you wouldn't bring it up in many, many posts. You are no different than jag except jag doesn't keep the staffs cocks in his mouth. You just want to be the end all know all but guess what? Nobody knows it all and giving bad info is just plain dangerous. Better keep your ego in check and stay at this board because you would be run off of others with the posts you have made using a doc title.

HDH

 

[mands]

Look bro, no beef with you. I know you have been around as well and I have the same respect for you.

What you said in the earlier post was spot on but to just accept scammers being here and posting was about the last thing I expected from a long time vet like you. And yes, this board is definitely different. It's a great big kiddy board and these will be my last few stops here. This place used to mean something to me but now it's a big joke. I'm finally seeing why the vets that were here when I was new to the board won't come around.

HDH

Duly noted and I think I have gotten soft over the years. Ha I just can spot these guys from a mile away and usually ignore them. I'm wondering if the mods do the same. I will see you around bro.

mands

 

[Millard]

And yes, this board is definitely different. It's a great big kiddy board and these will be my last few stops here. This place used to mean something to me but now it's a big joke. I'm finally seeing why the vets that were here when I was new to the board won't come around.

Rather than engage in a nice intellectual discussion regarding the benefits and drawbacks of multiple identities, you have chosen lash out with a broad attack against MESO.

HDH, you've made some good contributions at MESO over the years. Thank you. They have been appreciated. But if you think you're too mature and grown-up for MESO, what can I say?

I wish you the best and hope you can find worthy peers at other boards.

 

[HDH]

How could you fail to address the perfect analogy? Or did you fail to address it because it was perfect?

Ok, if it makes you feel any better to be validated, I understood what you meant. Just a bit over the top don't you think?

You are absolutely wrong. Many people have gotten into legal trouble involving from steroid acquisition from the use of a single handle. If they paid a little more attention to privacy precautions, the outcomes may have been different.

Believe me, I completely understand your argument for giving up privacy for a little more security.

I simply disagree. I would rather defend individual privacy.

By relinquishing the freedom to use multiple identities, an individual is giving up privacy. It's as simple as that.

All I can say is I haven't heard of any and I can't disprove that you have. So I will leave it at that.

What I will say though is anyone who has just talks to much. What we do is not legal and should be remembered and treated as such in our day to day postings. That's what we should be teaching and not letting scammers with multiple user names feel safe on this board because that's what it does.

The safety of members is my utmost concern. Which is exactly why I advocate the use of multiple identities. Quite honestly, someone who has a handle with 10,000 posts on a dozen bodybuilding forums who uses that same handle during the acquisition of steroids is taking unnecessary risks. Law enforcement loves this type of trail. Not advisable.

I really find that hard to believe. I think you just want to boost member activity and use this as a scare tactic. Not using multiple log ins is tried and true. Either that or you have much to learn about board and member safety.

And members here are smart enough to figure it out without the protection of big brother.

I also don't need to point out the obvious - there are scammers using multiple identities on every other board. A rule against it hasn't stopped it. Why not ban scammers instead of multiple identities?

Good question Millard. Why not ban scammers? You know like hulkhogan? Instead of letting him continue on.

No there are not scammers on every other board using multiple identities. The boards that I frequent have detectors for that.

I gotta say bro this is the worst shape I've seen any board in. Taking a blind eye to everything in the name of board growth. Like letting scammers advertise and sponsor here. I understand you have put much into this place for educational purposes but taking money to build it from scammer sources like WP and buysteroids.com makes you a scammer by association. You take money from scammers to build a board only to have the members ripped off.

To you that is an even trade. Let members be taken all for the mighty $$.

I don't expect this thread to stay up after this post but at least you can see. What you can't do is deny.

HDH

 

[Bigkarch]

ive used the name bigkarch since 1999...and I'm very well versed in the judicial system...I really dont think using a few different monikers on the boards are really gonna make or break a criminal case or prevent anyone from being busted..I have however been threatened by an exwife that she was going to give my screen name to my employer and said that I was involved in criminal activity and steroids...if you google bigkarch a crap load of info comes up....now, If I was selling aas or scamming, sure I would use a different name...there are several boards that have a forum just for members that have multiple identities...what questions us vets is, why?.....red flags immediately come up....but there are valid reasons, such as security...understandable..

 

[Millard]

I really find that hard to believe. I think you just want to boost member activity and use this as a scare tactic. Not using multiple log ins is tried and true. Either that or you have much to learn about board and member safety.

You're dismissing my concern for privacy as a "scare tactic" to boost member activity? You can do better than that.

And I think you have quite a bit to learn about member privacy and how that strongly relates to member safety. Safety from prying eyes that seek to monitor their commercial activity. Safety from being held captive by sources who know too much about their online identity.

Good question Millard. Why not ban scammers? You know like hulkhogan? Instead of letting him continue on.

Anyone who attempts to scam a member here is instantly banned. When the evidence of alleged scamming isn't readily apparent, I am content to allow the collaborative moderation by MESO members determine the reputation of such individuals.

This distrastrous state of affairs that you describe at MESO is one in which astute members have identified, exposed and annihilated the reputation of anyone suspected of being a scammer, fake poster or anonymous source rep.

It's quite refreshing to see how effective collaborative moderation can be without authoritarian admins and mods telling everyone what to think.

Don't underestimate MESO members. They are smart enough to figure it out without having big brother protect them.

No there are not scammers on every other board using multiple identities. The boards that I frequent have detectors for that.

You don't really believe those "detectors" are effective, do you? I suppose you'll tell me pirated dvds can't be download via bittorrent anymore as well.

You take money from scammers to build a board only to have the members ripped off.

To you that is an even trade. Let members be taken all for the mighty $$.

I don't expect this thread to stay up after this post but at least you can see. What you can't do is deny.

Why wouldn't it stay up? Is that how it's handled at other boards that you speak so highly of?

I sell advertising on this site. But unlike other sites, I have never sold my endorsement. If you want to hold publishers accountable for the actions of their advertisers, I can't stop you. Just be consistent about it when discussing other publishers.

If any member has a bad transaction with any advertiser, I have always welcomed and encouraged them to share their experience publicly on this forum.

People who come to MESO to read, learn and participate are well-informed consumers. Don't underestimate them.

 

[Millard]

ive used the name bigkarch since 1999...and I'm very well versed in the judicial system...I really dont think using a few different monikers on the boards are really gonna make or break a criminal case or prevent anyone from being busted..I have however been threatened by an exwife that she was going to give my screen name to my employer and said that I was involved in criminal activity and steroids...if you google bigkarch a crap load of info comes up....now, If I was selling aas or scamming, sure I would use a different name...there are several boards that have a forum just for members that have multiple identities...what questions us vets is, why?.....red flags immediately come up....but there are valid reasons, such as security...understandable..

The effective use of multiple identities to protect privacy is much more than using multiple screen names. There is a fair amount of info on the internet by privacy advocates on this topic.

I agree that multiple identities raises "red flags" and justifiably so. But thanks for acknowledging that there are valid reasons for doing so.

The great irony is that everyone chiming in on the issue except for me is using a secondary identity.

BigKarch, HDH are certainly not your "real" identities. You simply use an anonymous identity for an additional layer of privacy.

What's wrong with that? I will be the first to defend it.

 

[deadwood]

Ok, if it makes you feel any better to be validated, I understood what you meant. Just a bit over the top don't you think?



All I can say is I haven't heard of any and I can't disprove that you have. So I will leave it at that.

What I will say though is anyone who has just talks to much. What we do is not legal and should be remembered and treated as such in our day to day postings. That's what we should be teaching and not letting scammers with multiple user names feel safe on this board because that's what it does.



I really find that hard to believe. I think you just want to boost member activity and use this as a scare tactic. Not using multiple log ins is tried and true. Either that or you have much to learn about board and member safety.



Good question Millard. Why not ban scammers? You know like hulkhogan? Instead of letting him continue on.

No there are not scammers on every other board using multiple identities. The boards that I frequent have detectors for that.

I gotta say bro this is the worst shape I've seen any board in. Taking a blind eye to everything in the name of board growth. Like letting scammers advertise and sponsor here. I understand you have put much into this place for educational purposes but taking money to build it from scammer sources like WP and buysteroids.com makes you a scammer by association. You take money from scammers to build a board only to have the members ripped off.

To you that is an even trade. Let members be taken all for the mighty $$.

I don't expect this thread to stay up after this post but at least you can see. What you can't do is deny.

HDH

Sorry but I have to put it out: You sound like a cry baby.
What board is "better" than this one? Professional Muscle? Where the board is RUN by and FOR scammers? Outlaw? Scamming sources get their own subforum for Christ's sake. Elite? Etc,.

All boards are run by scammers and meso is the only one that I can see not run by a guy who also happens to run a steroid selling business.

If you can point to one board that is this utopia that you describe do so.

My guess is that you are Jag or a fellow scammer or partner. You make no sense and have taken this personally for no reason and your defense of a universally hated fool is unbelievable. I could care less if you have 10000000 post or 1 post. Disrespect is disrespect,.

 

[deadwood]

Just how in the fuck did you arrive at the conclusion that "I" am a scammer? That makes no sense, unless you are confused about the definition of the word. Asshole yes, but certainly no scammer. At no point in my tenure here have I tried to get people to use a single product or turn them away from the same. Learn what the hell you are talking about before you let my name come out your mouth.

Your "name" is nothing. You are a disruptive little cry baby who has zero interest in contributing. Why you haven't been banned is beyond me. You and Hulk should be kicked to the curb with the other garbage that disrespect the board. But thanks for proving my point that you are a useless crumb.

 

[Bigkarch]

The effective use of multiple identities to protect privacy is much more than using multiple screen names. There is a fair amount of info on the internet by privacy advocates on this topic.

I agree that multiple identities raises "red flags" and justifiably so. But thanks for acknowledging that there are valid reasons for doing so.

The great irony is that everyone chiming in on the issue except for me is using a secondary identity.

BigKarch, HDH are certainly not your "real" identities. You simply use an anonymous identity for an additional layer of privacy.

What's wrong with that? I will be the first to defend it.

but really, how much are we really protected by using secondary id's and/or multiple board names....a thin layer yes...and why do we use them? Each person can be different...buying/purchasing AAS, privacy because of steroid talk, sourcing, board owners. Milliard using a secondary Identity would be different being a board owner than if he went to outlaw/elite/steroid.com etc and registered under millyd...(fake name btw). If milliard wanted to source, then he wouldnt use milliard, but mikemill, (made up)... all in all, are we really secure....but then by now, as late as it is, I'm really not sure what we are talking about again, this went from scammer under hulk to secondary Id's, security and apples/oranges.

obviously bigkarch isnt my identity, and I would not want anyone in my line of occupation to know what I do or say here, nor that I use AAS. So, if bigkarch is my screen name and I use this as my legal mod/vet id, but then want to buy aas, should I use another identity for the purchases and illegal activity on the boards???? Is this what you are talking about milliard.
And if so, does that create another layer of security?

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea, definitely a CONTROL ISSUE!

 

[mac111]

You have no clue about any of this noobie. Take a look around this place. Nothing but fighting, bickering, ganging up, scammers posting, multiple accounts being used, sponsors and advertisers that rip people off. That's why long time vets don't come around. When you get some real time and board experience in, then you may speak of such things. Until then you are just a board parrot.

As a matter of fact the only one I see with a sack around this place is jag and nobody likes him because he speaks up. I checked it out and I see why you don't like him. He has made you look like an ass when you post over your own head and stick your foot in your mouth. He was exactly right about you. I feel for your patients. I could see that myself.

I saw you write in one post that you weren't here to try and impress with the doc shit (not a quote). That's just bullshit. If that wasn't true, you wouldn't have Dr in your user name and you wouldn't bring it up in many, many posts. You are no different than jag except jag doesn't keep the staffs cocks in his mouth. You just want to be the end all know all but guess what? Nobody knows it all and giving bad info is just plain dangerous. Better keep your ego in check and stay at this board because you would be run off of others with the posts you have made using a doc title.

HDH

you and Jag have alot in common if you ask me...........

 

[mac111]

imho anyone who is dumb enough to send money to some unknown identity on a forum deserves scammed. 90% of us are hear to share knowledge so those who want to buy should also join one of those type boards and join the bitching that goes on there

 

[Jagger34]

Your "name" is nothing. You are a disruptive little cry baby who has zero interest in contributing. Why you haven't been banned is beyond me. You and Hulk should be kicked to the curb with the other garbage that disrespect the board. But thanks for proving my point that you are a useless crumb.

You have 14 posts and over a third of them are whining about my disruptive ness and calling me names like were in fucking junior high. Hi pot, the names kettle, lick my balls

 

[Jagger34]

you and Jag have alot in common if you ask me...........

Very similar in that we both seem to be very adept at making you look like a fool and trip over your own words. Seriously man. The fact that you can bring yourself to criticize someone else's knowledge when you are off spewing gems like "Nova is never necessary if you are taking am AI" when addressing the presence of gyno, is absolutely laughable.