665 reasons to not order from UncleZ

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm still concerned for my safety. I'm taking precautions. I won't sleep in the same spot 2 nights in succession. Tonight, I find myself in a seedy motel with no frills whatsoever. Tomorrow, I'll be in a high end Marriott.

So that's why I found bed bugs at the Beverly Wilshire. Damn vegabonds!

 

[Mike Arnold]

What a shock! Not only is the re ship campaign going on......but Z's website say he's now full operational and open for business! He even said he missed everyone.
Hey retards...I'm talking to Mike A and the other fucking scamming pieces of shit. It's known and expected that when a source has a hiccup, that they fill all orders that are in limbo BEFORE opening and taking new orders.Simple known, accepted and expected procedure.
Surprised that someone that "Knows the business" doesn't know this....never mind condones it. Liars and theives.
Uomeone new to all this may ask "Why is it like bigben says ?"
It's because it's the same as robbing Peter to pay Paul......or if you're familiar with what a "ponzi scheme" is? Fucking unscrupulous business people will take money from a group of people promising a womderful return...or in this case aas. They will use that initial investment or influx of cash to maybe help offset the cost of a "resend" campaign by having a positive cash flow. They will send the initial investors, who are more than likely a bit gun shy and who made a "Test order", They receive their order or see the returns promised by the piece of shit.
Then, upon receiving and now having more confidence in the liar because they received, place a larger order. The piece of shit will reference all his satisfied customers in order to suck more fish in and have that cash flow really start pumping.
This cycle will continue until finally, orders start being delayed. The fuckin scammers will, for example, email customers tracking numbers that don't work. They may send a very small percentage of a large order(almost nothing) and package it so terribly that customs has almost no choice but to open it.(Send one broken vial so the oil soaks the box) and claim that the entire order was seized as happens from time to time, though they'll boast of a 99% success rate.
At this point the fuckers change up their business plan, They delay as long as they can so people will continue to send cash. It's only exacerbated when these pieces of fucking shit have board owners and moderators protecting them by deleting negative posts or reprimanding members that have been fucked for not "Going through the proper procedures of the situation."
Then, the shills will go real hard claiming deliveries and wonderful service.
Then..near the end just before the shit source goes dark(stops all communication with customers) legit customers who are fucked and waiting for their order, will continue to praise the fucking thieves hoping against hope or hoping because they are saying positive things about the fuckers that they will possibly get their orders or a refund. Unfortunately, the paid shills are also posting good reviews. The member not only is fucked out of his cash he is humiliated and looks like a fool when nothing comes.
Last thing....even if the resend campaign gets some people their shit...because Z has done exactly like I described over on more than one occasion, members are hurting the community and becoming unwitting co conspirators in hopes of having themselves made whole. Their morals are compromised.
This motherfucker has had so many people's money for so long. You could call it an interest free loan? Your money wasn't in escrow,,,it was being used for whatever this POS did with it. Then he comes back without paying any VIG?(Interest on your money) Again...he's pressuring people to stoop to his gutter level morals. by getting all excited and posting shit that hasn't happened yet. It's hard to blame them,,,,these fucking shills can make it sound so good. It's all bullshit. Some may get theirs...but they are perpetuating the cycle of hurting other members. That's not what a community of decent people trusting a source and looking out for one another should be doing. It;s selfish and makes you almost as bad as this piece of shit..
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Ughh...I normally would have read such a long post addressed to me, but I can't do this one after reading the first couple sentences.

Go ahead Bigben, inform us all of the "truth"...LOL. Why don't you do us all a favor and take it up with Z if you have a problem with him, instead of constantly whining.

Everyone knows there are scammers out there...and many of us know "how" they work. I have said the following before and will say it again..."If I ever end up working for someone who ends up scamming people and I find out about it...not only am I fucking out of there, but I will be the first person to trash the shit out of them".

At this point, everything I have been told by Z has lined up. Can I know all of Z's true intentions? Of course, not, but until he does me wrong...or the pieces of the puzzle no longer fit together, I will continue to trust.

....as I wait for another post by "bigben" telling the entire board how anyone who believes Z is telling the truth, is a scammer. Damn, I guess 1,000's of of new people are now scammers. Thanks for opening my eyes, Ben.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Are you cracking wise? Why are you engaging me? Are you a sadist. Have you kept up with the truths and how I'm describing you? Fuck off.
I'm gonna tell you....I'm seriously considering taking my offer of not following this sham to the boards they infect off the board. You fuckers continue on with you bullshit? Are you really sucking in that many members here? Maybe you are. That only makes me take it off the table.
If I go there it won't be just me. I've been around these boards for a long time. I will go on my own campaign and enlist a fuck load of good brothers to join your boards, speak the truth, get banned for doing so, and continue to use a proxy to sign up over and over.
I'm getting to that point. Keep it up asshole..

What aren't you fucking undestanding, man? I fucking told you, I came here ONLY because WP sent me a PM telling me about this thread...and ONLY because there was a link in it. Otherwise, I would not have bothered. Z didn't pay me to come here...I am not involved in the re-send campaign...and I didn't even fucking know Z re-opened his store until you just told me. I am not involved with it. You won;t find a single post by me anywhere on the web about this shit in the last year, since all this shit simmered down. Do you really think I would come here, to a board I barely know, and do the things you are accusing me of? Don't you think it would be easier (and make 1000X more sense) if I did so at boards where NO ON E questions me? Like I already said, I talk to Z regularly because I am helping him with other stuff. It has nothing to do with the Uncle Z website or the re-send. I don't give a fucking shit if anyone takes advantage of the re-send or not....not my problem.

I don't have any fucking clue what happened to you. Unlike anyone else who might have come here for Z as a 1st time poster or anyone using fake names, I came here on my own, with my own name, for the reason I just described above, telling the fucking truth about what I beleive. Could I be wrong? I suppose so. Do I think so? No. Otherwise, I would not be here. Yet, you put words in my mouth, accuse me of shit I did no do, twist my words, and attack me without cause.

So, if you don't want to answer my question...don't. I don't give a shit. You were the one who brought it up, so I figured I would ask. Ohhh...and I don't give a shit where you go or who you bring with you to inform" the masses. It's not my problem.

 

[biggerben69]

What aren't you fucking undestanding, man? I fucking told you, I came here ONLY because WP sent me a PM telling me about this thread...and ONLY because there was a link in it. Otherwise, I would not have bothered. Z didn't pay me to come here...I am not involved in the re-send campaign...and I didn't even fucking know Z re-opened his store until you just told me. I am not involved with it. You won;t find a single post by me anywhere on the web about this shit in the last year, since all this shit simmered down. Do you really think I would come here, to a board I barely know, and do the things you are accusing me of? Don't you think it would be easier (and make 1000X more sense) if I did so at boards where NO ON E questions me? Like I already said, I talk to Z regularly because I am helping him with other stuff. It has nothing to do with the Uncle Z website or the re-send. I don't give a fucking shit if anyone takes advantage of the re-send or not....not my problem.

I don't have any fucking clue what happened to you. Unlike anyone else who might have come here for Z as a 1st time poster or anyone using fake names, I came here on my own, with my own name, for the reason I just described above, telling the fucking truth about what I beleive. Could I be wrong? I suppose so. Do I think so? No. Otherwise, I would not be here. Yet, you put words in my mouth, accuse me of shit I did no do, twist my words, and attack me without cause.

So, if you don't want to answer my question...don't. I don't give a shit. You were the one who brought it up, so I figured I would ask. Ohhh...and I don't give a shit where you go or who you bring with you to inform" the masses. It's not my problem.

I've never ordered from your piece of shit boss. I've taken shit up with him he got frustrated and threatened to cripple me for telling the truth.
He, like you, avoid avoid avoid. We all see and are aware that you're ducking the issues that i and others bring up. Lame.
Bring on the the next shill who won't admit what is fact about Z over the years.
You say you would never work for anyone that was crooked because of your standing in the community. Nobody knows you here. What boards are you on? Mine are at the bottom of every post I make here. I'd be interested in seeing your posts in the last year or so.
l CHALLENGE YOU TO TELL US/ME WHAT BOARDS YOU FREQUENT.. You're such a major player with secret inside info. Where are you. I want to read your posts. I"M CERTAIN YOU'LL DUCK THIS AS WELL.
I PROMISE NOT TO POST IN ANY OF Z's THREADS ANY LONGER IF YOU WILL PROVE THAT YOU"VE BEEN AROUND AND ARE AS STAND UP AS YOU CLAIM>
Will you? I doubt it very much. Bob and weave shill....bob and weave,

 

[Mike Arnold]

I've never ordered from your piece of shit boss. I've taken shit up with him he got frustrated and threatened to cripple me for telling the truth.
He, like you, avoid avoid avoid. We all see and are aware that you're ducking the issues that i and others bring up. Lame.
Bring on the the next shill who won't admit what is fact about Z over the years.
You say you would never work for anyone that was crooked because of your standing in the community. Nobody knows you here. What boards are you on? Mine are at the bottom of every post I make here. I'd be interested in seeing your posts in the last year or so.
l CHALLENGE YOU TO TELL US/ME WHAT BOARDS YOU FREQUENT.. You're such a major player with secret inside info. Where are you. I want to read your posts. I"M CERTAIN YOU'LL DUCK THIS AS WELL.
I PROMISE NOT TO POST IN ANY OF Z's THREADS ANY LONGER IF YOU WILL PROVE THAT YOU"VE BEEN AROUND AND ARE AS STAND UP AS YOU CLAIM>
Will you? I doubt it very much. Bob and weave shill....bob and weave,

Bullshit, I haven't avoided any of your questions. You must not be reading my posts. So, please list any questions you have and I will answer them to the best of my ability. I told this to you several posts ago, but you never asked. If you don't take advantage of my offer a 2nd time, you are just playing games.

Secondly, I don't know what you don't understand when I tell you I don't care where you post or what you post about Z. Go and do whatever you want. I don't work for the Uncle Z business. I didn't even know it was open until you told me in this thread.

Websites: MD, Pro M, IML, IMF, ASF, BSL, Muscle Coalition, Elite Bodiez, just started at RX, Muscle science, radio interview at "Natural BB'ing Radio", and many others. I am a Mod or Super Mod on at last 5-6 of those. Donzens of website articles at IML over the last couple years (check article link at top of page). Check out MD and Pro M first.

Now, you said all the boards you post at are listed at the bottom of every post, but I don't see any. Please list your boards, so I can see what you have done for the community. Also, please list any articles, interviews, or other professional work you have done for various websites/companies. Also, what sites do you Mod/Super-Mod/lead at.

 

[Millard]

And I tell you what, people who have a good experience tell 1-3 friends...bad experience?? 10 friends. That's what the boss always said when I was in restaurants/bars. I guarantee there are noobs out there afraid to post in this thread right now, because they are afraid of the flaming.

It is very likely that anyone who comes on a board as a 1st time poster, raging up and down about a certain source, has an agenda. I don't agree with that and never will. If someone has something to say, they should say it with their own regular screen name and come right out and say it.

Yeah, I suppose some cynicism would go a long way towards keeping everyone safe. As all the older guys keep telling me.....can't be too careful.

Guys, I can understand all the doubt and lack of trust. I can't speak for anyone else...I can only say what I have seen/heard and experienced...and what I believe...that's it.

Its that simple. If people knowledgeable about Z's past behavior do not speak up, this board will have threads devoted to how great Z is on a daily basis. This is how these guys work, and how its always worked.
If we don't speak up, the Z talk will continue but nothing bad will ever be said.

You can look at the "happy noobs" profiles just like I can....... You REALLY think these guys are just giving their honest opinion?
If I thought there was even a 1% chance of that I'd shut up immediately, but that's not how these guys work.

Before I was a REP I would have been right there with you guys flaming all these one post noobs. But after seeing it from the other side, my opinion has changed.

I mean repo, is almost surely being compensated. But most of the others I believe are being truthful. Maybe you're right and I'm naive....

Do you Kamala believe that 100% of these first post guys are shills?
Do you believe the resend campaign isnt happening?

When I set up this subforum, I envisioned it being used by actual customers. Customers who had positive experiences could share and discuss. Customers who had negative experiences could share and discuss.

Quite honestly, it hasn't turned out that way.

Instead, it's been mostly members who have never ordered from a source debating each other.

On the one hand, members, who have never ordered from the source, are warning newbies to avoid the source and often for good reason. According to this contingent, it is inconceivable that any real customer could possibly have a positive experience with the source. They must have an agenda.

On the other hand you have reps, who get all there stuff for free, telling newbies how great the source is. According to this contingent, the source can do no wrong and anyone who says anything negative couldn't possible be a real customer; they must be a competitor or paid by a competitor. In other words, they must have an agenda.

Obviously, the truth is somewhere in between these two extremes.

The subforum has failed at arriving at the entire truth.

I will admit, it has succeeded at discouraging many people from choosing bad sources. It has done an excellent job at "outing" disingenuous and deceptive reps posing as customers in what has become popularly known as "shills" by many members.

Accusing EVERYONE who says anything remotely positive as being a "shill" creates a climate of fear and paranoia. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in an internet subculture where participants often forget that they are involving themselves in a criminal activity with serious legal risks.

But this has come at a cost. Whereas 9 out 10 times, members that accuse a new member of being a "shill" will be correct. There is a false positive rate of 10%.

For every 1000 accusations, you will have 100 real customers who were unfairly accused.

Is this an acceptable false positive rate? If not, what is? How much benefit of a doubt should we give new members?

What are the consequences of this?

Instead of facilitating free, open and honest discussion, there is the real risk that it has actually restricted discussion.

MESO could gain a reputation as a place that is not interested in the honest, truthful contributions from newbies - a reputation of not being interested in real feedback from real customers.

There is no easy solution to accurately differentiating real customers from fake customers.

But one can only be wrong so many times without credibility suffering.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

When I set up this subforum, I envisioned it being used by actual customers. Customers who had positive experiences could share and discuss. Customers who had negative experiences could share and discuss.

Quite honestly, it hasn't turned out that way.

I disagree. I'm new here and I've gotten alot out of this forum already. Is it perfect? Of course not - nothing ever is. But it is the only forum I know of where members can post their TRUE opinions.

Instead, it's been mostly members who have never ordered from a source debating each other.

I just seems like it's mostly members that have never ordered from a source debating each other. The signal-to-noise ratio is low as it always is in an uncensored discussion but there is definately useful info in here.

Obviously, the truth is somewhere in between these two extremes.

The subforum has failed at arriving at the entire truth.

NO, NO, NO. It HAS arrived at the truth. The truth in its entirety is there. It's up to the members to find it, but it is still there. Censored boards only present partial truth - truth that benefits them, not the members.

I think being new gives me a unique perspective that allows me to see things differently from you and I can't begin to tell you how unique Meso is among boards. When you've been here a long time, I'm sure it appears to be all static but please believe me when I tell you how refreshing it is to see an open discussion like this.

But this has come at a cost. Whereas 9 out 10 times, members that accuse a new member of being a "shill" will be correct. There is a false positive rate of 10%.

When I joined, I made a concious decision not to directly comment on sources. At least for a while. I'm not naive enough to believe anybody cares what I think abot a source AND I didn't want to appear as a shill. New members can get SO much from this board just by following that rule.

Is this an acceptable false positive rate? If not, what is? How much benefit of a doubt should we give new members?

I've already stated my feelings on the false positive. Newbies should be given as much "benefit of doubt" as they have earned.

What are the consequences of this?

It makes Meso the best damn board on the net!

Instead of facilitating free, open and honest discussion, there is the real risk that it has actually restricted discussion.

Again, as a newbie I just don't see that.

MESO could gain a reputation as a place that is not interested in the honest, truthful contributions from newbies - a reputation of not being interested in real feedback from real customers.

Maybe that's not such a bad thing. When newbies post a positive experience about a source on their first post, does anybody really give their opinion much credibility?

But one can only be wrong so many times without credibility suffering.

Versus almost every other board that restricts speech, Meso's credibility is alive and well, IMO.

Meso will never be perfect but as Winston Churchill once said, “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” I think that applies to Meso.

 

[Millard]

I disagree. I'm new here and I've gotten alot out of this forum already. Is it perfect? Of course not - nothing ever is. But it is the only forum I know of where members can post their TRUE opinions.

I just seems like it's mostly members that have never ordered from a source debating each other. The signal-to-noise ratio is low as it always is in an uncensored discussion but there is definately useful info in here.

NO, NO, NO. It HAS arrived at the truth. The truth in its entirety is there. It's up to the members to find it, but it is still there. Censored boards only present partial truth - truth that benefits them, not the members.

I think being new gives me a unique perspective that allows me to see things differently from you and I can't begin to tell you how unique Meso is among boards. When you've been here a long time, I'm sure it appears to be all static but please believe me when I tell you how refreshing it is to see an open discussion like this.

When I joined, I made a concious decision not to directly comment on sources. At least for a while. I'm not naive enough to believe anybody cares what I think abot a source AND I didn't want to appear as a shill. New members can get SO much from this board just by following that rule.

I've already stated my feelings on the false positive. Newbies should be given as much "benefit of doubt" as they have earned.

It makes Meso the best damn board on the net!

Again, as a newbie I just don't see that.

Maybe that's not such a bad thing. When newbies post a positive experience about a source on their first post, does anybody really give their opinion much credibility?

Versus almost every other board that restricts speech, Meso's credibility is alive and well, IMO.

Meso will never be perfect but as Winston Churchill once said, “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” I think that applies to Meso.

Very astute response. How can I disagree with anything you've written?!

Thank you very much for this!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Very astute response. How can I disagree with anything you've written?!

Like most things I write, you can't.

CBS
Expert

 

[Kamala]

....

If Z's testing is so good, then why was he caught selling fakes? I guess his testing wasn't good enough for OLM.

 

[Kamala]

When I set up this subforum, I envisioned it being used by actual customers. Customers who had positive experiences could share and discuss. Customers who had negative experiences could share and discuss.

Quite honestly, it hasn't turned out that way.

Instead, it's been mostly members who have never ordered from a source debating each other.

On the one hand, members, who have never ordered from the source, are warning newbies to avoid the source and often for good reason. According to this contingent, it is inconceivable that any real customer could possibly have a positive experience with the source. They must have an agenda.

On the other hand you have reps, who get all there stuff for free, telling newbies how great the source is. According to this contingent, the source can do no wrong and anyone who says anything negative couldn't possible be a real customer; they must be a competitor or paid by a competitor. In other words, they must have an agenda.

Obviously, the truth is somewhere in between these two extremes.

The subforum has failed at arriving at the entire truth.

I will admit, it has succeeded at discouraging many people from choosing bad sources. It has done an excellent job at "outing" disingenuous and deceptive reps posing as customers in what has become popularly known as "shills" by many members.

Accusing EVERYONE who says anything remotely positive as being a "shill" creates a climate of fear and paranoia. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in an internet subculture where participants often forget that they are involving themselves in a criminal activity with serious legal risks.

But this has come at a cost. Whereas 9 out 10 times, members that accuse a new member of being a "shill" will be correct. There is a false positive rate of 10%.

For every 1000 accusations, you will have 100 real customers who were unfairly accused.

Is this an acceptable false positive rate? If not, what is? How much benefit of a doubt should we give new members?

What are the consequences of this?

Instead of facilitating free, open and honest discussion, there is the real risk that it has actually restricted discussion.

MESO could gain a reputation as a place that is not interested in the honest, truthful contributions from newbies - a reputation of not being interested in real feedback from real customers.

There is no easy solution to accurately differentiating real customers from fake customers.

But one can only be wrong so many times without credibility suffering.

What's the solution then? You're saying that by your own estimate 90% of the noobs that post a good experience are probably schills, so what does that say about how these sources operate?
I've been around the boards for a long while now, the alternative to guys like me speaking up is a censored environment where only the good stays posted...... The ologys, the OLM, the Pro's, you're only going to get 1 side of the story and that's the side the sponsor wants the potential customers to see.

And does someone really need to order from a bad source to give an honest opinion of their service? If I know for a fact that someone sold faked gear and lied about it, but I didn't buy it, does that make my experiences in seeing it happen irrelevant?
If I say stay away from anything related to Dan Cote because I have seen him scam numerous people, and I can back that up, how is that not relevent? Do I need to join the list of people he's scammed to make what I'm saying valid?

I have no doubt that Z has delivered to far more people than he's fucked over, but I have been around and witnessed firsthand what he is capable of doing..... And he won't bat an eye about it.

 

[Millard]

What's the solution then? You're saying that by your own estimate 90% of the noobs that post a good experience are probably schills, so what does that say about how these sources operate?
I've been around the boards for a long while now, the alternative to guys like me speaking up is a censored environment where only the good stays posted...... The ologys, the OLM, the Pro's, you're only going to get 1 side of the story and that's the side the sponsor wants the potential customers to see.

And does someone really need to order from a bad source to give an honest opinion of their service? If I know for a fact that someone sold faked gear and lied about it, but I didn't buy it, does that make my experiences in seeing it happen irrelevant?
If I say stay away from anything related to Dan Cote because I have seen him scam numerous people, and I can back that up, how is that not relevent? Do I need to join the list of people he's scammed to make what I'm saying valid?

I have no doubt that Z has delivered to far more people than he's fucked over, but I have been around and witnessed firsthand what he is capable of doing..... And he won't bat an eye about it.

My solution? If you're suggesting that the only alternative is some form of censorship, I disagree. This is not what I am suggesting at all.

My solution is to do exactly what I did - discuss what I think may be happening on the forum. The good. The bad. Openly. Honestly. Transparently.

And get feedback.

Don't take my comments personally. You're doing nothing wrong. I want all members to feel free to express their opinions and share their knowledge and experiences.

But I want to point out unintended consequences of accusing every newbie who posts anything remotely positive about a source as a "shill". Every once and a while, it could be wrong. Over time, the false positives add up.

What consequences does this have for the credibility of the forum? Does the good outweigh the bad? Can the openness of the discussion be improved?

I think CBS provided an excellent rebuttal to my post. In his opinion, the good outweighs the bad.

 

[Millard]

If I know for a fact that someone sold faked gear and lied about it, but I didn't buy it, does that make my experiences in seeing it happen irrelevant?
If I say stay away from anything related to Dan Cote because I have seen him scam numerous people, and I can back that up, how is that not relevent? Do I need to join the list of people he's scammed to make what I'm saying valid?.

It is entirely relevant. I re-read my original post on this:

When I set up this subforum, I envisioned it being used by actual customers. Customers who had positive experiences could share and discuss. Customers who had negative experiences could share and discuss.

I can see where you felt I was discounting your contributions. This was not my intention. Instead, I should have said something like...

In addition to the direct and indirect insight provided by experienced members, I envisioned the forum being used more by actual customers of the sources discussed...

 

[Kamala]

It is entirely relevant. I re-read my original post on this:



I can see where you felt I was discounting your contributions. This was not my intention. Instead, I should have said something like...

In addition to the direct and indirect insight provided by experienced members, I envisioned the forum being used more by actual customers of the sources discussed...

If my post came across like I was mad, it wasn't my intention at all.... This a just a discussion.

I used to frequest a canadian board, and it was similar to this in its approach in how to deal with UG labs..... Ug talk was allowed, but no open sourcing was.
Eventually what happened was it became filled with UG lab reps competing with each other, and everything that goes with that..... In the end the owner had to shut down any UG talk at all, because of all the drama and bullshit.
As it stands now any canadian board that I know of that allows UG talk also backs a lab, so you don't get any unfiltered information.

What I'm getting at is there is a need for more places where everybody can have their say, as long as its done respectfully.... I really feel that in the end the truth will almost always come out in an uncensored environment.

 

[MANWHORE]

I really feel that in the end the truth will almost always come out

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!!!

 

[biggerben69]

Bullshit, I haven't avoided any of your questions. You must not be reading my posts. So, please list any questions you have and I will answer them to the best of my ability. I told this to you several posts ago, but you never asked. If you don't take advantage of my offer a 2nd time, you are just playing games.

Secondly, I don't know what you don't understand when I tell you I don't care where you post or what you post about Z. Go and do whatever you want. I don't work for the Uncle Z business. I didn't even know it was open until you told me in this thread.

Websites: MD, Pro M, IML, IMF, ASF, BSL, Muscle Coalition, Elite Bodiez, just started at RX, Muscle science, radio interview at "Natural BB'ing Radio", and many others. I am a Mod or Super Mod on at last 5-6 of those. Donzens of website articles at IML over the last couple years (check article link at top of page). Check out MD and Pro M first.

Now, you said all the boards you post at are listed at the bottom of every post, but I don't see any. Please list your boards, so I can see what you have done for the community. Also, please list any articles, interviews, or other professional work you have done for various websites/companies. Also, what sites do you Mod/Super-Mod/lead at.

I just checked one board you listed so far...IM. You're a mod there with a join date of 2011. Your 20 posts there are ALL PUSHING ONE OF THE SPONSORS THERE!
As a mod you have a vested interest in the sponsors. WTF? Are you gonna say that you've been on the boards forever and that you run shit behind the scenes and that;s why you have a join date of 2011? Gimme fucking break.
Also...your PM to me asking for a "Truce" is ridiculous.
I'll check the rest of the board you claim.
My boards are at the bottom of each post I make in my signature? What don't you see?
I've been a member at IM since 06. I've only made 20 0r 30 posts in the 7yrs as I don't care for boards like IM...or OLM...or PM and others. Quit it.
Say hi to TommyGunz for us......he's a lame. I know where that troll works out in OC, CA......He shut his trap after I found out.
Like a child he started to give me neg rep points or something over there. Said I was in his neighborhood and would neg rep me until I was gone? IS he gonna tell his mommy next? LAME.

 

[biggerben69]

Mike Arnold,..just to state the obvious....moderators on respected boards aren't on the take and pushing sponsors like you do. They are moderators to make sure the board runs smoothly and looks out for members,,,,they don't whore themselves out to say how wonderful a sponsor is.
Do I give you the impression that I don't know what I'm talking about? Do I come off as a guy you can PM and spout more bullshit or stroke to agree with you?

 

[Kamala]

It is very likely that anyone who comes on a board as a 1st time poster, raging up and down about a certain source, has an agenda. I don't agree with that and never will. If someone has something to say, they should say it with their own regular screen name and come right out and say it.

Well Mike, here what you had to say about Z on a forum that you moderate on. Funny enough, the thread was started by "Repo".

Z's GH is finally getting the reputation and credit it deserves. Like so many other posters have been saying on multiple boards, Z's GH is quickly becoming known as one of the "VERY" few GH's available, which is consistently testing at or right on the ass of pharm-grade GH. I have been using Z's GH for several months now with great results, but what I love about the way Z runs his business is I don't have to sit here and say I am getting good results...all anyone has to do is look at any of the numerous labs done by multiple testers with every single batch of GH that Z releases and they can see for themselves that Z's GH is exactly what it is supposed to be.

If Z continues doing what he is doing with his GH, which I am postive he will, the trust he will gain because if it will be something no other seller can match. Tell me, who else is consistently offering up multiple labs from a variety of respected testers with every single batch of GH that is sold? The biggest problem with Gh today is not the fact that 95% of it is shit...follow me for a second. The problem is that until Z, no one had any deep trust that what they were going to get was 100% legitimate time and time again. What the GH industry needs is trust...trust that they are going to get what they pay for...again...again...and again. Who cares if 95% of what is sold as GH is trash if the buyers know there is a place they can consistantly go to get the truth?

The fact that Z offers such transparency in his testing procedures is something which has been lacking in this industry for far too long. Knowing that Z will give a straight answer regarding his GH, good or bad, gives the customer assurance that if they purchase from Z, they are going to get real and properly dosed GH. Who the hell else out there is actually informing their customers if they get a bad batch in stock, essentially telling them "Sorry guys...hold on a few more weeks until we get the next batch in stock"? No one. Who else was sick and tired of the gamble...seeing one seller offering good stuff for a while, only to see them sell complete garbage just a month or two later without warning? Kigtropin anyone? Guys were buying it like crazy and then one day, when guys were dropping piles of cash it turned out to be utter garbage. Does anyone really think that the manufacturer & sellers responsible people selling Kigs at that point weren't aware that they were selling fake GH? Of course they knew. The knew it and yet they stole mountains of money from customers who had been loyal. This is precisely what is wrong with this industry...trust...or more specifically a lack of it.

My hat goes off to Z for being the 1st to say "enough" and deciding to implement his current GH testing policies. If other sellers knew what was good for them, they would follow suit, but I am not counting on it because integrity isn't learned in a day. Too many people would rather make a quick buck temporarily, rather than choose to do right by the customer and showcase integrity over the long haul. I commend Z for being the first to shake up the status quo.

Its too bad that if his testing was that good he couldn't test for fakes Mike..... Seeing as you are a member of Outlaw I'm sure that you're aware of that situation.

 

[biggerben69]

Well Mike, here what you had to say about Z on a forum that you moderate on. Funny enough, the thread was started by "Repo".

Z's GH is finally getting the reputation and credit it deserves. Like so many other posters have been saying on multiple boards, Z's GH is quickly becoming known as one of the "VERY" few GH's available, which is consistently testing at or right on the ass of pharm-grade GH. I have been using Z's GH for several months now with great results, but what I love about the way Z runs his business is I don't have to sit here and say I am getting good results...all anyone has to do is look at any of the numerous labs done by multiple testers with every single batch of GH that Z releases and they can see for themselves that Z's GH is exactly what it is supposed to be.

If Z continues doing what he is doing with his GH, which I am postive he will, the trust he will gain because if it will be something no other seller can match. Tell me, who else is consistently offering up multiple labs from a variety of respected testers with every single batch of GH that is sold? The biggest problem with Gh today is not the fact that 95% of it is shit...follow me for a second. The problem is that until Z, no one had any deep trust that what they were going to get was 100% legitimate time and time again. What the GH industry needs is trust...trust that they are going to get what they pay for...again...again...and again. Who cares if 95% of what is sold as GH is trash if the buyers know there is a place they can consistantly go to get the truth?

The fact that Z offers such transparency in his testing procedures is something which has been lacking in this industry for far too long. Knowing that Z will give a straight answer regarding his GH, good or bad, gives the customer assurance that if they purchase from Z, they are going to get real and properly dosed GH. Who the hell else out there is actually informing their customers if they get a bad batch in stock, essentially telling them "Sorry guys...hold on a few more weeks until we get the next batch in stock"? No one. Who else was sick and tired of the gamble...seeing one seller offering good stuff for a while, only to see them sell complete garbage just a month or two later without warning? Kigtropin anyone? Guys were buying it like crazy and then one day, when guys were dropping piles of cash it turned out to be utter garbage. Does anyone really think that the manufacturer & sellers responsible people selling Kigs at that point weren't aware that they were selling fake GH? Of course they knew. The knew it and yet they stole mountains of money from customers who had been loyal. This is precisely what is wrong with this industry...trust...or more specifically a lack of it.

My hat goes off to Z for being the 1st to say "enough" and deciding to implement his current GH testing policies. If other sellers knew what was good for them, they would follow suit, but I am not counting on it because integrity isn't learned in a day. Too many people would rather make a quick buck temporarily, rather than choose to do right by the customer and showcase integrity over the long haul. I commend Z for being the first to shake up the status quo.


Its too bad that if his testing was that good he couldn't test for fakes Mike..... Seeing as you are a member of Outlaw I'm sure that you're aware of that situation.

Haha...what a POS. I wonder who's coming next? Maybe it'll be a guy claiming to be a Pro from the IFBB?

 

[Kamala]

Haha...what a POS. I wonder who's coming next? Maybe it'll be a guy claiming to be a Pro from the IFBB?

Why not? They've sent in pretty much the whole crew at this point, minus Chino..... Ol Chino's probably too busy making youtube vids.

Here's another endorsment from ol Mikey.

This is one thing about Z's gear that is far above average. There is a LOT of gear out there which gives anywhere from minor to severe PIP. I have been using only Z gear for some time now...and just to clarify, I have used every injectable Z makes many times, while always using 3-4 different injectables at a time. I have used each of these injectables over several different batches, which cancels out the possibility of getting a "good" batch.

The bottom line is this. I have not experienced ANY PIP, to ANY degree, with ANY of Z's injectables the ENTIRE time I have been using them. That is exceptional, as I have had numerous experiences using other manufacturers and I have NEVER gone such a long time using such a large variety of products without any pain whatsoever, as I have whenh using Z products. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with "building up" Z products as a rep...it is the truth, plain and simple.