Testosterone acetate most powerful testosterone?

[Dr JIM]

Yea that sounds about right because the enanthate or cypionate ester are 70% testosterone,

Thus 1000 mg of T-e or T-c would be roughly 700mg of testosterone base.

Yep that's the same quantity of T-susp if it was dosed at 100mg/QD for 7 days = 700mg of testosterone!

jim

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

i found 100mg of testerone suspension ed very dramatic since there is no ester at all.you would have to do a very high dose for for a few weeks to get the same effects as 100mg of suspension,probably in excess of 1000 mg a week.....

i think test ace would be better then test suspension even as you dont have massive raises and lowers of test levels ..like suspension you would inject and have a huge raise of test then a huge fall within 12 hours ...test ace would be more steady blood levels ed injections or eod

and test ace you dont lose that much test from the ester - 100mg test ace=83mg
id say 800mg a week would give huge gains {664mg}

 

[Dr JIM]

I suspect a theoretical discussion is of no benefit at this juncture since serial lab testing best determines the operational kinetics involved of any drug including AAS.

But suffice to say, gander thru my posts on this thread.

After doing so you might conclude I'm probably more apt to support Concillators position in their "elimination/absorption kinetic" debate, and that assumption would be correct!

I suspect it's best explained by one known fact, which is, if absorption never reached an equilibrium with elimination, (I know there are other variables) achieving "steady state" levels would seem quite difficult, (which I suspect is the essence of ConCs position).

Jim

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I suspect a theoretical discussion is of no benefit at this juncture since serial lab testing best determines the operational kinetics involved of any drug including AAS.

But suffice to say, gander thru my posts on this thread.

After doing so you might conclude I'm probably more apt to support Concillators position in their "elimination/absorption kinetic" debate, and that assumption would be correct!

I suspect it's best explained by one known fact, which is, if absorption never reached an equilibrium with elimination, (I know there are other variables) achieving "steady state" levels would seem quite difficult, (which I suspect is the essence of ConCs position).

Jim

GOOD GOD DUDE? R U A COMPUTER OR JUST SOME MEGA NERD? TALK LIKE A ACTUAL NORMAL PERSON AND NOT LIKE SOME NERD TRYING TO SOUND WHAT HE THINKS IS SMART / ANYONE CAN READ SOMETHING AND THINK THEY KNOW ITS EFFECTS, BUT NO ONE REALLY KNOWS UNTIL THEY DO IT THEMSELVES ...IM GUESSING YOU DO NOT DO STEROIDS AT ALL JIM?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I found 100mg of testerone suspension ED very dramatic since there is no ester at all.You would have to do a very high dose for for a few weeks to get the same effects as 100mg of suspension,probably in excess of 1000 mg a week.....

I THINK ONLY ABOUT A WEEK WITH ACE TO START GETTING THE SAME EFFECTS AS SUSPENSION / ACE YOU COULD INJECT JUST EOD AND STILL HAVE GOOD EVEN TEST LEVELS AND MG PER MG TEST ACE IS MOST POWERFUL OF ANY ESTER TEST:drooling:

 

[foreveryoung]

why are you shouting? and what is with the obsession of any particular ester, they all pretty much get the job done when you adjust dosage to equivalence, saying "the most powerful ester test" is pretty much irrelevant to the real world... just adjust your dose and injection frequency based on the ester and don't worry about it

 

[foreveryoung]

......like suspension you would inject and have a huge raise of test then a huge fall within 12 hours ....

this in incorrect by the way, the half life of suspension is around 40 hours

 

[Stretch]

GOOD GOD DUDE?
why is there a question mark at the end of this sentence?^^^

R U A COMPUTER OR JUST SOME MEGA NERD?



TALK LIKE A ACTUAL NORMAL PERSON

like "a" actual person? You sound like A idiot.




AND NOT LIKE SOME NERD TRYING TO SOUND WHAT HE THINKS IS SMART /

kids are seperating thoughts with forward slashes now? You mean the computer can't fix that for you too?!

ANYONE CAN READ SOMETHING AND THINK THEY KNOW ITS EFFECTS, BUT NO ONE REALLY KNOWS UNTIL THEY DO IT THEMSELVES ...IM GUESSING YOU DO NOT DO STEROIDS AT ALL JIM?

You finished quite well. Last sentence was nicely done, by your usual standards. But the fact that this entire post was designed to lambast someone else for their use of the English language was mind boggling to me, and required mentioning.

How do you graduate without being able to compose a single paragraph?!?! And don't give me that bullshit internet answer: "I could, but its the internet, who cares?".

The very fact that this is the internet and all communication is written it is MORE important to communicate clearly, since our meanings are so often misconstrued.

I like you PS. But look at Jims post again, he wasn't saying anything negative about your little obsession with acetate. And he was spot on, to say that before everyone starts demanding acetate esters for their AAS, we have more than one dope dealer telling us its a good idea....right?

Btw....what happened? You got some bulk TA at a good price or something?

I suspect a theoretical discussion is of no benefit at this juncture since serial lab testing best determines the operational kinetics involved of any drug including AAS.

But suffice to say, gander thru my posts on this thread.

After doing so you might conclude I'm probably more apt to support Concillators position in their "elimination/absorption kinetic" debate, and that assumption would be correct!

I suspect it's best explained by one known fact, which is, if absorption never reached an equilibrium with elimination, (I know there are other variables) achieving "steady state" levels would seem quite difficult, (which I suspect is the essence of ConCs position).

Jim

 

[DieYoungStrong]

this in incorrect by the way, the half life of suspension is around 40 hours

I did real suspension back in the late 90s. Wonderful drug. You inject suspension daily. The half-life is around 40 hours. There is no crash at the end of the day. Pinning every day is hard enough. Not to many people would stick to 2x daily injection.

Suspension Daily and Prop EOD really aren't all that different after a week or so.

A lot of guys I know used to inject suspension with longer esters at the beginning of a cycle as a kind of "frontload" before people in my circle were really talking about frontloading. Then they would hit the suspension again at the end of the cycle while the longer esters cleared out. Pretty much the same as is done with Prop.

Suspension is best if you want to keep on some test in the final weeks of contest prep, or so I've been told. I never competed. Other then that, stick with a different ester unless you enjoy being a pin cushion.

 

[Dr JIM]

PLF
I never antiscipate you will be able to understand the content of many of my posts but that's OK, I'll have my 6yo niece write your reply!

 

[cvictorg]

All versions of test will cause prostrate problems.with equal blood levels they would be the same strength.

Pure BULLSHIT - my PSA has NEVER gone higher than .42 - NEVER

 

[whitegato777]

I would switch to test base sub q if I can find someone that has done it successfully..

 

[Stretch]

Pure BULLSHIT - my PSA has NEVER gone higher than .42 - NEVER

I think his point was that all esters pose the same risks to prostate health. In refutation of the point inferred by the OP, that prop posed more of a risk.

 

[MR10X]

why are you shouting? and what is with the obsession of any particular ester, they all pretty much get the job done when you adjust dosage to equivalence, saying "the most powerful ester test" is pretty much irrelevant to the real world... just adjust your dose and injection frequency based on the ester and don't worry about it

This pretty much just seems to zoom right over his head.With the correct adjustment of dosage you should get the same results from any test ester.

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

this in incorrect by the way, the half life of suspension is around 40 hours

if that was try why would you need to inject every day?? Or mytiple times a day??

Also the esters do make a difference could be as dramatic as nearly a 50% difference in mg to mg powers

 

[Stretch]

if that was try why would you need to inject every day?? Or mytiple times a day??

Also the esters do make a difference could be as dramatic as nearly a 50% difference in mg to mg powers

But don't the prices reflect that difference? 10mls of 100mg Prop is $20-$50. 10mls of 250mg Cyp is $35-$60.

So where is the benefit really?

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

you finished quite well. Last sentence was nicely done, by your usual standards. But the fact that this entire post was designed to lambast someone else for their use of the english language was mind boggling to me, and required mentioning.

How do you graduate without being able to compose a single paragraph?!?! And don't give me that bullshit internet answer: "i could, but its the internet, who cares?".

The very fact that this is the internet and all communication is written it is more important to communicate clearly, since our meanings are so often misconstrued.

I like you ps. But look at jims post again, he wasn't saying anything negative about your little obsession with acetate. And he was spot on, to say that before everyone starts demanding acetate esters for their aas, we have more than one dope dealer telling us its a good idea....right?

Btw....what happened? You got some bulk ta at a good price or something?

i didnt think this was a college paper and required me to not talk like a normal person ...would you talk like that in person jim?? Id laugh in ur face and i could not take you seriously in society if you talked like that normally

stretch no i never even seen any test ace with my own eyes ...i didnt even know it existed until i saw the raws for sale / i just though it would be a faster acting and more powerful mg to mg test then any other.

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

but don't the prices reflect that difference? 10mls of 100mg prop is $20-$50. 10mls of 250mg cyp is $35-$60.

So where is the benefit really?

because ace or c would be the same price 20ml of 300mg for 60$

 

[Stretch]

i didnt think this was a college paper and required me to not talk like a normal person ...would you talk like that in person jim?? Id laugh in ur face and i could not take you seriously in society if you talked like that normally

stretch no i never even seen any test ace with my own eyes ...i didnt even know it existed until i saw the raws for sale / i just though it would be a faster acting and more powerful mg to mg test then any other.

Yeah, I had a bug up my ass when I wrote this. Something about ur post just aggravated me.

I mean, I hate it when less educated types ridicule the educated for their education. For the record I am not an educated man, last time I graduated anything it was highschool. Well....bootcamp I guess. But despite my hate for what you did, I shouldn't have insulted you personally, as youve never done so with me. Sorry.

Society is going down the tubes, we are getting so ridiculously stupid its unreal. Everyone just wants constant entertainment, mindless entertainment. And I took my frustration with these things out on you, which is never okay to do.


This isn't a flame on you bro. But how old are you, and what was the last book you read?

 

[Stretch]

because ace or c would be the same price 20ml of 300mg for 60$

Nah. It wouldn't. We both know that UGL owners would brew that ACE around 150-200mg and charge it right between PROP and CYP.


The price of powder is just one portion of the final cost of gear. The main determinant factor is market value...ie..the most I can get, based off my clientele and competition. Right? Supply and demand.

You have a powder source. What's the $/g on ACE? I am gonna ask my guy too, ive heard its a little pricier in the past.