Ultimate Test Acetate thread

What a fcking disaster of a day. Accidentally took Hgh in am instead of bpc and been dysfunctional all day lol
No training session. Therapy day Just dynamic warmups and stretching cupping sauna acupuncture
slamming Reset button for tomorrow
 
Sleep 2/10 lol brutal maybe 4 hours
Dosage of TP increased 5mg this am to 15mg at 630
Will possibly take a little extra hgh fri/sat night to help with sleep.
Left shoulder is noticeably sore. 5/10 but no problem.
 
Despite sleep deprivation
Training session 9/10
Definitely feel more aggressive mentality
Well that makes sense as you are getting more test per unit of time during the day vs test C. the ester weight also plays a role albeit a smaller one.
Haven't checked steroid plotter but I would expect at least 50%more circulating test with Test P vs Test C at same injected mg
Same reason guys get more of a hit from Tren A vs E
 
Went to sleep at 10pm lol
Got in 6/7 hours beats the hell outta 4 hours.
Going light today.
Pin 15mgs 6:15am
Should have test Ace in hand next weekend
By then I’ll be up 25mgs per day.
Perfect.
 
Pin 6am last day of 15mgs
Upping to 20mgs tomorrow
Sleep 5 hours 6/10 however I did take 2 naps yesterday lol
with the test C starting to decline rapidly I’m noticing that not feeling like I’m revved up all the time. Excellent!
 
Pin 6am 20mgs
Fkng sleep is still a disaster woke up every hour lol
Training session 9/10 despite lack of sleep
Appetite seems to be increasing
 
Pin 6am 20mgs
Sleep still sucks 6 hours but woke up 4 times smh
Noticing strength increase. Body composition seems to be changing.
Test Ace will be started on Sunday. Looking forward to that.
1 more day of 20mgs then upping to 25 th/f/s
Keeping with 25mgs for testA on Sun.
 
Pin 6am 20mgs
Sleep still sucks 6 hours but woke up 4 times smh
Noticing strength increase. Body composition seems to be changing.
Test Ace will be started on Sunday. Looking forward to that.
1 more day of 20mgs then upping to 25 th/f/s
Keeping with 25mgs for testA on Sun.

With sleep being an issue, you'd be wise to consider dropping down to an actual physiological dose. Sleep and supraphysiological androgen dosages don't mix. And this doesn't only stand for dosages north of 2000 ng/dl - you might have issues at 1000 ng/dl, so considering an actual trt regime of 500 - 700 ng/dl might be a prudent idea. Taking in to account shbg and the free androgen index ofc.

I have to say that you are exhibiting a rather anxious phenotype and I would reconsider messing with aas to any extent whatsoever. If you think you have issues now, given time, your HPA axis will deteriorate and with it, so will your sleep, anxiety, prefrontal cognitive control, etc.

Another note on susceptibility to androgens related upregulation of "catecholaminergic" signaling. Any psychiatrist who deals with adhd will tell you, that there is a huge discrepancy on intraindividual sensitivity to catecholamines, ie. some users respond to 5 mg's of a stimulant with the same intensity as another person does to 40 mg's, or even more. This is a fairly normal and a common occurrence. Seeing as androgens also potentiate excitatory neurotransmission, one should take into account this same discrepancy, as can clearly be seen from all the varying responses to aas from different users. Somebody might get a huge motivational upbeat from 250 mg's of test and somebody else might not notice anything. Blasting and cruising is not for everybody in fact I'd say it's actually for a really small subset of users. Most should actually stay at a true trt dose and then potentially only sporadically cycle.

If sleep is a issue, hyperexcitability/anxiety is most probably the culprit, as it's the main factor which lowers sleep pressure (the thing that keeps you sedated and prevents you from waking up).

The state of your neurobiology is not static. Specifically the HPA axis does deteriorate, amygdala becomes hypersensitive and then you find yourself fiddling, micro controlling every little minuta while in essence what you should do is focus on HPA axis normalisation and only then, start messing with something as detrimental to the HPA axis as androgens. The brain is a very fluid environment, it undergoes heavy changes all the time and you only have a finite reservoir of stress management before mechanics undergo morphological changes - once it goes empty, you must repair the damage, otherwise you're just driving around with a faulty crankshaft with misaligned timings and all the while you're foolishly experimenting with different engine oils, trying to find a micro environment where things run just barely good enough in order for you to be able to function somewhat adequate.

Anxiety is a big determining factor of sensitivity to catecholamines (which includes aas). And everytime I see somebody caught up in such micromanagement, anxiety is the first thing that comes to mind. You think you have sleep issues? No, you have hyperexcitability issues, which are reflected in poor sleep. This is most notable in sleep maintenance issues. If you continue to push the dosages, it will get only worse with time and you'll need to employ more drastic measures to calm down the HPA axis (like a 3 to 6 month ssri regime for example, which actually might be something worth considering now).
 
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With sleep being an issue, you'd be wise to consider dropping down to an actual physiological dose. Sleep and supraphysiological androgen dosages don't mix. And this doesn't only stand for dosages north of 2000 ng/dl - you might have issues at 1000 ng/dl, so considering an actual trt regime of 500 - 700 ng/dl might be a prudent idea. Taking in to account shbg and the free androgen index ofc.

I have to say that you are exhibiting a rather anxious phenotype and I would reconsider messing with aas to any extent whatsoever. If you think you have issues now, given time, your HPA axis will deteriorate and with it, so will your sleep, anxiety, prefrontal cognitive control, etc.

Another note on susceptibility to androgens related upregulation of "catecholaminergic" signaling. Any psychiatrist who deals with adhd will tell you, that there is a huge discrepancy on intraindividual sensitivity to catecholamines, ie. some users respond to 5 mg's of a stimulant with the same intensity as another person does to 40 mg's, or even more. This is a fairly normal and a common occurrence. Seeing as androgens also potentiate excitatory neurotransmission, one should take into account this same discrepancy, as can clearly be seen from all the varying responses to aas from different users. Somebody might get a huge motivational upbeat from 250 mg's of test and somebody else might not notice anything. Blasting and cruising is not for everybody in fact I'd say it's actually for a really small subset of users. Most should actually stay at a true trt dose and then potentially only sporadically cycle.

If sleep is a issue, hyperexcitability/anxiety is most probably the culprit, as it's the main factor which lowers sleep pressure (the thing that keeps you sedated and prevents you from waking up).

The state of your neurobiology is not static. Specifically the HPA axis does deteriorate, amygdala becomes hypersensitive and then you find yourself fiddling, micro controlling every little minuta while in essence what you should do is focus on HPA axis normalisation and only then, start messing with something as detrimental to the HPA axis as androgens. The brain is a very fluid environment, it undergoes heavy changes all the time and you only have a finite reservoir of stress management before mechanics undergo morphological changes - once it goes empty, you must repair the damage, otherwise you're just driving around with a faulty crankshaft with misaligned timings and all the while you're foolishly experimenting with different engine oils, trying to find a micro environment where things run just barely good enough in order for you to be able to function somewhat adequate.

Anxiety is a big determining factor of sensitivity to catecholamines (which includes aas). And everytime I see somebody caught up in such micromanagement, anxiety is the first thing that comes to mind. You think you have sleep issues? No, you have hyperexcitability issues, which are reflected in poor sleep. This is most notable in sleep maintenance issues. If you continue to push the dosages, it will get only worse with time and you'll need to employ more drastic measures to calm down the HPA axis (like a 3 to 6 month ssri regime for example, which actually might be something worth considering now).
Interesting. I’m probably the least anxious person I know. Sleep issues are common on any dosage. It will sort itself out. I’ve never been a great sleeper anyways. Thanks for the advice though.
 
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Interesting. I’m probably the least anxious person I know. Sleep issues are common on any dosage. It will sort itself out. I’ve never been a great sleeper anyways. Thanks for the advice though.

Yes they are common, but they are way less common on actual trt dosages, having a normal free androgen index.

You might have a high baseline anxiety trait, meaning, you don't notice the anxiety - but it's there. I'm not claiming this to be case, rather just a possibility.

Excluding anxiety, you can't deny you're a sensitive person. While sensitivity is usually a trait of high neuroticism and subsequently higher anxiety, anxiety is certainly not a prerequisite, but it can become if you let things deteriorate over time leading to something like a generalized anxiety disorder. What is a fact though is you being sensitive to excitatory neurotransmission, which androgens potentiate, and you have higher enteroception, which is again a neuroticism trait. Seeing as you are slowly elevating your dosages, what do you think will happen over time, if you continue to push? If you want to continue using higher dosages, consider using something that can lower/modulate excitability, you should not settle for poor sleep. Lamotrigine comes to mind, or maybe sodium valproate, both in small dosages. Mirtazapine is also popular in the aas community, but it's a fairly dirty drug.

I agree that following a diurnal rhythm with the use of exogenous aas is a potentially beneficial idea, however, using high dosages will offset any theoretical benefits. Not that I actually know where 140 mg's put's you at in regards to whole blood levels ...
 
Yes they are common, but they are way less common on actual trt dosages, having a normal free androgen index.

You might have a high baseline anxiety trait, meaning, you don't notice the anxiety - but it's there. I'm not claiming this to be case, rather just a possibility.

Excluding anxiety, you can't deny you're a sensitive person. While sensitivity is usually a trait of high neuroticism and subsequently higher anxiety, anxiety is certainly not a prerequisite, but it can become if you let things deteriorate over time leading to something like a generalized anxiety disorder. What is a fact though is you being sensitive to excitatory neurotransmission, which androgens potentiate, and you have higher enteroception, which is again a neuroticism trait. Seeing as you are slowly elevating your dosages, what do you think will happen over time, if you continue to push? If you want to continue using higher dosages, consider using something that can lower/modulate excitability, you should not settle for poor sleep. Lamotrigine comes to mind, or maybe sodium valproate, both in small dosages. Mirtazapine is also popular in the aas community, but it's a fairly dirty drug.

I agree that following a diurnal rhythm with the use of exogenous aas is a potentially beneficial idea, however, using high dosages will offset any theoretical benefits. Not that I actually know where 140 mg's put's you at in regards to whole blood levels ...
Lol trt dose is 25-200mgs per week. How much am I taking?
I think your posts say more about you than me.
All the best.
 
Lol trt dose is 25-200mgs per week. How much am I taking?

Yes, but, in properly managed patients, they actually mostly fall between 75 - 125 mg's. "TRT clinics" in America though tend to push levels in the ranges of 1000 - 1200 ng/dl and that's when you tend to see dosages of 150 and above. If the goal is normal physiological testosterone levels 500 to 700 ng/dl (at Tmax, 2 x a week Test C), you'll find anything above 125mg's to be outliers.

At the end of my previous post, I said I've no idea where your actual levels are, instead of acting insulted for some reason, you could have just written your actual serum numbers, as mg's don't really mean anything.

I think your posts say more about you than me.
All the best.

Ironically no, this is definitely portraying you in a bad light. I'm just spending my precious time here, objectively trying to help a total stranger, and you're acting insulted and disrespectfully for some reason ... I know being portrayed as "sensitive" and potentially "neurotic" can be seen, especially on these aas boards, as a personal attack, but I guarantee you this is not the case - I'm just objectively discussing all the plausible variables and I'm not joining the camp of other forum members, who wrote here with the sole purpose of discrediting you.
 
Yes, but, in properly managed patients, they actually mostly fall between 75 - 125 mg's. "TRT clinics" in America though tend to push levels in the ranges of 1000 - 1200 ng/dl and that's when you tend to see dosages of 150 and above. If the goal is normal physiological testosterone levels 500 to 700 ng/dl (at Tmax, 2 x a week Test C), you'll find anything above 125mg's to be outliers.

At the end of my previous post, I said I've no idea where your actual levels are, instead of acting insulted for some reason, you could have just written your actual serum numbers, as mg's don't really mean anything.



Ironically no, this is definitely portraying you in a bad light. I'm just spending my precious time here, objectively trying to help a total stranger, and you're acting insulted and disrespectfully for some reason ... I know being portrayed as "sensitive" and potentially "neurotic" can be seen, especially on these aas boards, as a personal attack, but I guarantee you this is not the case - I'm just objectively discussing all the plausible variables and I'm not joining the camp of other forum members, who wrote here with the sole purpose of discrediting you.
LoL. I couldn’t care less as nothing you have said has any relevance or is even remotely accurate.
 
Over the last few days I’ve noticed not wanting to drink as much water as my usual amount and wanting more food instead. Now that I realize this I will be forcing the usual Amt of water.
Anyways, training was 10/10.
Starting to feel like I want more practice time.
Instead I’m going to up the intensity!
 
Pin 20mgs 545 am
Feel much better after drinking more water and sleep was decent 1130-530 only got up once.
Guess I’ll hold off on the psychiatrist visit for another day or two lmao
Going shorter duration today but higher intensity
 
Big change!
Moved new dosage of 25mgs to 11pm
I believe the remaining TC was making me unable to properly judge timing of TP peak. The tmax has to be much longer….10-12 hours like I originally planned. Slept like shit but woke up feeling better/more amped. Let’s See how this goes.
TA I believe will be on the lower end of that ..10 hours.
 
Waited a little later 1145 pm to pin TP 25mgs
Also took small dose of Epitalon to help with sleep
Sleep 7/10 better
Training session 10/10
Finally on the right track.
Test acetate arriving tomorrow
 
Epitalon is a game changer. Sleep is more restful and not getting up several times.
Pinned 25mgs at midnight.
Had someone fly in just to deliver me the test A and some other shit from USA They’ll be arriving in 3 hours. Good times.
 
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