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Ultimate Test Acetate thread
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hmm.
i thought usually test ace had to be heated higher.
melting point apparently was at 140c (even if you don't have to heat to melting point, 50c seems pretty low
29trt
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there are two approaches out there those who believe you need to reach a certain temp to make sure you get no pip or crash and those that just heat until everithing is dissolved.
50c was enough no crash even afetr a year.
and the dissolving part also has variables like if you grind the raws before and how much you stir(mechanical or manual)
RiceNKimchi
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Not going to lie. I understand why you're trying to reinvent the wheel but there are multiple other ways to benefit your situation.
Benf15harp
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more user thoughts:
1. So from what I understand Ace has virtually no pip, as opposed to prop. Why is this not more popular? I don't see very many sources carrying it.
Can this be pinned eod or are daily pins necessary?
A: you need to use ace Ed. its like between prop an suspenion
2. Shorter esters like acetate or propionate are best to do preworkout or a few hours before.
3.Ace- usually like a couple or hours if not more but you need to pin ED
Prop: same as ace
Obviously, test P here but they are awfully close together 57 bonds for A 60 for P and C has 74 bonds. This is spot on imo.
4. Test is test YES, however PROPINATE is not ENANTHATE, the esters do affect you biologically in different ways and it has been proven in a couple studies indirectly.
Test c/e have higher e2 conversion rates due to being longer heavier esters, which leads to more e2 sides (one can debate positives or negatives of them), as well as higher ft/dht, higher nitrogen retention etc, in theory its more anabolic due to the longer Ester.
Test p is healthier, safer and more natural. Why? It mimics diurnal rythym. Natty T levels fluctuate throughout the day, at 8 am it may peak at 800, 10 pm crash to 400, 12 pm hit 600, then by 6 pm hit 300. These constant fluctuations are actually healthy and normal as your body uses testosterone similar to adrenaline in fight or flight situations and responds as needed (for example your body does not require testosterone or adrenaline in your sleep as you are not in imminent danger, or hunting a saber tooth tiger, however if the need arose your body would give you/produce testosterone at that time of night if it required). Test c/e is like revving your engine at 8,000 rpms 24/7 day and night without ever turning off your car (that is depending on if you allow troughs or not). A constantly elevated t level has been shown to be neurotoxic specifically on the dopamine reward system. Test p's spikes allow for that system to function like normal.
So yes, test is test, but enanthate is not propionate, and your body likes ups and downs and it is not natural to have a constantly elevated state.
(to op: you feel like shit on test c/e because you're putting a constant stressor on your body that your genetics clearly cannot handle, be it higher Rbc, water retention, dopamine/norepinephrine)
1. So from what I understand Ace has virtually no pip, as opposed to prop. Why is this not more popular? I don't see very many sources carrying it.
Can this be pinned eod or are daily pins necessary?
A: you need to use ace Ed. its like between prop an suspenion
2. Shorter esters like acetate or propionate are best to do preworkout or a few hours before.
3.Ace- usually like a couple or hours if not more but you need to pin ED
Prop: same as ace
Obviously, test P here but they are awfully close together 57 bonds for A 60 for P and C has 74 bonds. This is spot on imo.
4. Test is test YES, however PROPINATE is not ENANTHATE, the esters do affect you biologically in different ways and it has been proven in a couple studies indirectly.
Test c/e have higher e2 conversion rates due to being longer heavier esters, which leads to more e2 sides (one can debate positives or negatives of them), as well as higher ft/dht, higher nitrogen retention etc, in theory its more anabolic due to the longer Ester.
Test p is healthier, safer and more natural. Why? It mimics diurnal rythym. Natty T levels fluctuate throughout the day, at 8 am it may peak at 800, 10 pm crash to 400, 12 pm hit 600, then by 6 pm hit 300. These constant fluctuations are actually healthy and normal as your body uses testosterone similar to adrenaline in fight or flight situations and responds as needed (for example your body does not require testosterone or adrenaline in your sleep as you are not in imminent danger, or hunting a saber tooth tiger, however if the need arose your body would give you/produce testosterone at that time of night if it required). Test c/e is like revving your engine at 8,000 rpms 24/7 day and night without ever turning off your car (that is depending on if you allow troughs or not). A constantly elevated t level has been shown to be neurotoxic specifically on the dopamine reward system. Test p's spikes allow for that system to function like normal.
So yes, test is test, but enanthate is not propionate, and your body likes ups and downs and it is not natural to have a constantly elevated state.
(to op: you feel like shit on test c/e because you're putting a constant stressor on your body that your genetics clearly cannot handle, be it higher Rbc, water retention, dopamine/norepinephrine)
Benf15harp
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Interesting how the “behre” test bible has test P Tmax 14 hours Test E 10 hours and C 8-24hours.
Avarice911
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Curious- How important is the diurnal rhythm for test levels in reality? Does it matter in regards to exogenous test or are people trivializing something that actually makes no difference? I know moreplatesmoredates was the one that started with the test prop to be more like the diurnal rhythm but he’s not exactly a legitimate source of info
Benf15harp
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29trt
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yeah but it doesn't matter..... to use the same analogy at 700mg you are revving your engine to 20.000rpm you drop 30% you are still at 14.000rpm....when your redline line is at 2000rpm naturally....
Benf15harp
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I’m not sure what you’re arguing here lol
The 30% drop is the whole point. No matter what dose is being taken natural, trt range 25-200mgs weekly for life or blasting at 1g per week for 8 weeks you need that 30% drop. That’s the entire point of using ace or prop daily.
Benf15harp
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The “natural”part of this is the daily drop not the amount or timing.
29trt
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there is nothing natural running 10 times the dose of your endogenous production.... drop or no drop
Unless you have a study to back this up all the anecdotal data contradicts your statement.
Benf15harp
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Never said it was. Read again please.
The “natural”part of this is the daily drop not the amount or timing.
Benf15harp
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the only way to be 2/3rds natty here would be if TAce or P would have peak times of 9 hours then you’d take at 11pm peak at 8am and get the 30%drop
Benf15harp
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two things:
1. As long as the am peak occurs on ace or pop that’s as close as you’re gonna get to the natural rhythm.
2. I’m curious to know how much affect BMI or body fat% have on peak serum levels.
If anyone has any data on this I’d appreciate it.
I’m at worst 7-8% BF
I’m going to reduce my guesstimate lol peak times by about 45% due to this. I think it might be a pretty big factor.
So test C I’m Dropping to 6 hours
Test P 2hrs
Test A 1hr
1. As long as the am peak occurs on ace or pop that’s as close as you’re gonna get to the natural rhythm.
2. I’m curious to know how much affect BMI or body fat% have on peak serum levels.
If anyone has any data on this I’d appreciate it.
I’m at worst 7-8% BF
I’m going to reduce my guesstimate lol peak times by about 45% due to this. I think it might be a pretty big factor.
So test C I’m Dropping to 6 hours
Test P 2hrs
Test A 1hr
Fattyone
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Imagine what you could do with this.
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29trt
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you seem to be in the "overthinking to the absurd" kind of crowd, good luck!
Benf15harp
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Considering no one knows when their real peak is of any test and if trying to emulate the natural rhythm as close as possible,you seem to be in the "overthinking to the absurd" kind of crowd, good luck!
I think it’s pretty important to figure these things out. All I know for sure is all test pins peak serum levels occur within 14 hours and these will factor in on those times
- levels/efficiency of esterase enzymes
- SHBG levels
- serum albumin levels
- subq vs IM injection
- bodyfat %
- type of carrier oil
- concentration of other steroids in the blood
Benf15harp
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Exciting times. TestP just arrived.
will be pinning at wake with estimated peak time around 9-10
2-4 hours max
Hoping PIP isn’t terrible
TestAce arrives in 2 weeks
will be pinning at wake with estimated peak time around 9-10
2-4 hours max
Hoping PIP isn’t terrible
TestAce arrives in 2 weeks
narta
Member
What about your diet and training?
Overthinking those or ydgaf?
Overthinking those or ydgaf?
