Labmax test results

[flenser]

HTP Test Cyp - Uncertain

The labmax results are identical to Test E. There is no published result for Test C. HTP told me the melting points of the two are too different for it to be Test E.

I am sure that it is not test e. Test E melting point is MUCH lower than Test C.
Testosterone Enanthate
Melting Point = 32-36C

Testosterone Cypionate
Melting Point = 98-102C

He is pretty obviously correct. So we are waiting on mass spec tests on this one. Assuming mass spec confirms it is test c, we will at least have known labmax results afterward.

 

[flenser]

HTP mast e - Uncertain

No published results for mast e raws either. My speculation on what test c would look like is likely wrong, so there's no reason to go into it again here. Assuming mass spec confirms this is mast e, we will have a labmax test for it afterward.

 

[mercury]

Flenser

I see that under UV it is blue, it looks like your test c and mast e is in fact testosterone enanthate.

This is not mast and cyp

 

[beedix]

Eq is a thick oil at room temp. However, it shouldn't be that color

 

[beedix]

Except for the few documented raw powder labmax tests, most should be brewed as an oil before testing. Even the EQ...needs correct proportions of carrier oil, bb, and BA.

 

[flenser]

Flenser

I see that under UV it is blue, it looks like your test c and mast e is in fact testosterone enanthate.

This is not mast and cyp

I thought so as well, except it melts at the wrong temperature.

 

[mercury]

I thought so as well, except it melts at the wrong temperature.

what was the color in vial A ? it could be test prop then

test prop in vial A - olive green
test enan in vial A - orange

 

[flenser]

what was the color in vial A ? it could be test prop then

test prop in vial A - olive green
test enan in vial A - orange

I didn't use the a vial. I was under the impression only the UV result in raw powder would always match the oil. They are also doing mass spec tests, so I was only interested in pass or fail results.

 

[mercury]

I didn't use the a vial. I was under the impression only the UV result in raw powder would always match the oil. They are also doing mass spec tests, so I was only interested in pass or fail results.

Take a look at the chart there also tests for raw powder, I have seen also pictures of test enan raw powder.

I do not think that melting point is reliable those days since powders from China are never pure, so the melting point will be different.

If you add salt to water it will freeze at lower temperature, the same with powder the contamination will change melting point.

 

[beedix]

Melting point is pretty accurate from my experience. Within 3 degrees using frying pan and infrared. It's a great first test for raws.

 

[jayb]

Flenser,
I thought I had seen you where testing some stuff from legend, but cant find anything on your results page.
Primarily interested in primo and var

 

[flenser]

Flenser,
I thought I had seen you where testing some stuff from legend, but cant find anything on your results page.
Primarily interested in primo and var

No, not me. I think kubrick tested their var late last year. That's all I know about.

 

[flenser]

Take a look at the chart there also tests for raw powder, I have seen also pictures of test enan raw powder.

I do not think that melting point is reliable those days since powders from China are never pure, so the melting point will be different.

If you add salt to water it will freeze at lower temperature, the same with powder the contamination will change melting point.

I don't know how far the melting point can be adjusted. A long way if antifreeze is any indication. I emailed labmax for his opinion. My meager chemistry education is so rusty I have trouble helping my daughter with her HS homework!

 

[beedix]

If you have something else mixed with the compound in question...the compound will melt at it's melting point and the rest will either remain or melt later. It's not like the combining of two things (cutting) changes the chemical properties of both.

If it all melts way off the target melting point then you know you have a impure chemical or it's not the compound you expected.

The challenge with melting point that I've seen so far is you need a really even heating surface and a slow rate of heat change. Takes practice just like labmax.

 

[mercury]

If you have something else mixed with the compound in question...the compound will melt at it's melting point and the rest will either remain or melt later. It's not like the combining of two things (cutting) changes the chemical properties of both.

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If you are not a chemist then do not guess and do not confuse other people.

Add salt to water and it starts melting at - 16 C (3 F)

 

[flenser]

If you have something else mixed with the compound in question...the compound will melt at it's melting point and the rest will either remain or melt later. It's not like the combining of two things (cutting) changes the chemical properties of both.

If it all melts way off the target melting point then you know you have a impure chemical or it's not the compound you expected.

The challenge with melting point that I've seen so far is you need a really even heating surface and a slow rate of heat change. Takes practice just like labmax.

That's true with a mixture or suspension, but not with solutions. When you dissolve a solute in a solvent you get a solution with different physical properties including freezing and boiling point.

 

[flenser]

Under UV they will glow always the same, does not matter if it is powder, pill or in your food. It will always give the same fluorescence, this the whole idea with the UV light to distinguish it from other substances it might be in.

So for both oil and powder the florescence will be golden – yellow.

This confirms IMO the HTP Mast E test is a fail.

 

[hometownpowder]

I will offer this to the thread.

I melted all of the chems tested (good and bad). They all melted VERY evenly within the melting range of each chemical.

I am NOT disputing any results. I am saying that if someone who can perform a melting point test takes the raws from flenser I GUARANTEE they will will melt the same. I did NOT cut the product with anything. I cannot speak for the chinese who sent the products. But if they did cut it, they did a hell of a job. The stuff melts and looks perfect to me. At this point I have suspended my EQ sales and have offered a brewed sample or material to finish the testing so that it can all be compared to known prebrewed samples. I offered this for the cyp and mast e as well. We are also waiting on a mass spec on the cyp and var.

I know I have not been accused of anything, I just want to be clear that I am doing my best and will be honest through this. I will be here and take care of any customers if there has been a mistake made. No Bull.

 

[flenser]

Eq is a thick oil at room temp. However, it shouldn't be that color

I didn't get your meaning until HTP explained he sent me EQ raws, and they are liquid at room temp. I thought it was already brewed and had been contaminated. I used a lot more oil than normal, since one drop of that gooey stuff was huge. I need to come up with a better way of mixing in the correct amount. There are published results for EQ raws, as well.

 

[flenser]

I will offer this to the thread.

I melted all of the chems tested (good and bad). They all melted VERY evenly within the melting range of each chemical.

I am NOT disputing any results. I am saying that if someone who can perform a melting point test takes the raws from flenser I GUARANTEE they will will melt the same. I did NOT cut the product with anything. I cannot speak for the chinese who sent the products. But if they did cut it, they did a hell of a job. The stuff melts and looks perfect to me. At this point I have suspended my EQ sales and have offered a brewed sample or material to finish the testing so that it can all be compared to known prebrewed samples. I offered this for the cyp and mast e as well. We are also waiting on a mass spec on the cyp and var.

I know I have not been accused of anything, I just want to be clear that I am doing my best and will be honest through this. I will be here and take care of any customers if there has been a mistake made. No Bull.

I believe you when you say the melting points were correct. I'm sure you wouldn't have sent them to me for testing if they weren't. If I were to question your honesty now, I would have to also question your intelligence

Mass spec on some of these will be interesting.