STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[iris]

Ohh okay!

Lol.
I hope you stick around if only because you keep Ghoul busy.
Like a little chihuahua chasing him around and driving him mad.

 

[Ghoul]

Lol.
I hope you stick around if only because you keep Ghoul busy.
Like a little chihuahua chasing him around and driving him mad.

MESO members seem to allow a week from join date for Tren to wear off and newbies to settle down into a more respectful mode, before really laying into them if they keep spouting off. We'll see how things are on Tuesday...

 

[iris]

MESO members seem to allow a week from join date for Tren to wear off and newbies to settle down into a more respectful mode, before really laying into them if they keep spouting off. We'll see how things are on Tuesday...

I bet there's no tren there.
Lexington is #nattyforever.
And that's your problem.

 

[bigMoJo]

Ok @Ghoul , you win... so what now? This is the kind of sh** that caused unnecessary toilet paper shortages during covid. Sh**ing yourself wasn't a vid symptom. Anyone who watched "Contagion" (good movie by the way), was out buying up all the medical supplies and TP. I didn't spend too much time researching Smith's Detection, but it looks like the TSA approved this tech back in 2014... is that your read too?

 

[egruberman]

It's not a logical leap at all. It's not "tuned" to anything, as if explosives all share some signature the machine is detecting. Half the banned liquids aren't even explosives, like bleach, acids, poisons. It detects whatever algorithms it's loaded with, and it's not as if that's limited in any serious way. While TSA may not be looking for drugs. and as a matter of policy not load the "cocaine algorithm" that hardly means it's not capable of it.

The product as manufactured is oriented to a specific use case, which is what I mean by "tuned". The technology could be applied to material detection for customs purposes, but so far, it has not. The logical leap is to suggest that this technology will make it more difficult or more expensive for the folks on this forum to source their gear. It's plausible, for sure, but years away at minimum.

What is also some years away, is the failure of China as a nation state. An economic collapse is imminent. The country as a whole is leveraged by an order of magnitude or more greater than the US during the 2008 financial crisis. The country is wholly dependent on imports to feed its population and sustain growth. I fear that'll have a greater impact on supply than any tech implemented by customs.

I'm not sure where you get "they can be fooled" from, because if you know that's possible, so would an attacker intent on blowing up an aircraft, setting up the switch to these machines to be a colossal disaster.

There's plenty of anecdotes about people able to defeat detection by these machines. There's also plenty of anecdotes about them breaking down. I'm not debating whether or not the technology itself can be used to precisely identify materials. My assertion is that the implementation will likely be lacking.

They can easily discern varieties of beer.

Yes, they can easily discern two different containers of liquid with different densities. Can they tell me what hop variety was used?

Instead of 2 x-ray powers, those are capable of switching between thousands of power levels, along with backscatter detectors capable of identifying the relative proportions of mixed powders in a bag.

Yes, with enough time and in the right conditions, a great deal of precision can be achieved with this technology.

The fact that even without spectral power hundreds of substances that are 97-99% water can be discerned from each other doesn't constitute "identifying materials at the molecular level" according to you just shows how much in denial you are.

Again, it can identify the density of materials with a degree of precision, which of course is dependent on the atomic number of the elements from which the material is comprised. With enough resolution it can identify the density of components in a heterogenous mixture, like a tablet with fillers or whatever. But a material can be homogenous and be comprised of a number of different components of varying densities in an endless combination that will alter the density of the final product. A clever person could use this information to evade detection, though of course there would be limitations.

Look, even the guy who made this video, an engineering expert, was taken aback by the capabilities of these devices and how quickly things have progressed.

You're impressed, I get it. The engineer that made the video is impressed as well, looks like he's in love with the technology. I for one am not impressed. The capability has existed for quite some time, a little over 50 years. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long, which is why I am not concerned. The people building this stuff move very slowly and their customers even more so. The TSA has been fucking up air travel for folks in the US for over two decades. There has been an incredible demand and available funding for this sort of thing for that entire time and yet, here we are, over twenty years later, we can finally take our fucking water bottles on the plane. Maybe. If the machine is not down.

So if the economic forces at play really do want to stem the tide of de minimis packages in the US and they employ some technology like this, it'll have to get developed and deployed, which is years away. From there, a clever UGL will throw a couple crates full of raws into different shipping containers and enjoy a market advantage when one of them makes it through.

 

[Ghoul]

Ok @Ghoul , you win... so what now? This is the kind of sh** that caused unnecessary toilet paper shortages during covid. Sh**ing yourself wasn't a vid symptom. Anyone who watched "Contagion" (good movie by the way), was out buying up all the medical supplies and TP. I didn't spend too much time researching Smith's Detection, but it looks like the TSA approved this tech back in 2014... is that your read too?

In my opinion, the only sensible response to all the noise in the media, the clear moves by government to do something about all the fentanyl pouring in through international mail, is to stock up with whatever you'd rather not go without. I mean, we've seen delays from time to time anyway, so it was always sensible to have a few months supply on hand.

Luckily gear is still dirt cheap, and lasts a long, long time. 5+ years. Cheap insurance.

If nothing changes, great. Use up your surplus and carry on as normal.

If things suddenly dry up, something already being seen with certain international purchases (india pharma is a disaster at the moment), you'll be glad you've got enough on hand until someone figures out how to supply demand.

No way would stocking up cause a shortage. Plenty are convinced either it can't happen, won't happen, or if it does, new sources offering the same variety and prices will immediately replace any interrupted supply.

 

[Lexington]

MESO members seem to allow a week from join date for Tren to wear off and newbies to settle down into a more respectful mode, before really laying into them if they keep spouting off. We'll see how things are on Tuesday...

Why are you talking to him, speak directly to me like a man

 

[Zebedee]

So after 25,years of banning liquids, gels, or creams over 100ml on aircraft, they're now being allowed not based on the reality these machines can accurately identify the 100+ explosives and hazardous chemicals but on "BS".


View: https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ


Relevant portions around 2 minutes and 6 minutes.

I'll add these are low end Dual Energy Computed Tomography machines. The key is two different x-ray energy levels (Dual Energy) are used to scan. which can be compared, revealing the atomic number of the material.

Where fewer are needed, as they mention are used for checked baggage, additional tech like spectral xrays (many different power levels) and backscatter sensors are added to enable even more accurate material detection. For instance, one validation test is mixing a bag of milk powder and sugar, and ensuring the machine can determine the percentage of each within the mixture.

Where extreme high speed is needed, algorithms, built on detailed analysis of targeted contraband, are being used to shorten the detection time to a fraction usually required. AI generated "shortcuts".

Since there are so many different types of equipment being used, Customs agencies around the world have agreed to standardize the format of these algorithms, so they can share them with each other as new threats and forms of contraband are identified.

The systems are so accurate, they can identify the components of a single pill (in fact pharma manufacturers are beginning to use these for quality control instead of conventional lab analysis).

When contraband is detected in a package it's automatically kicked off the high speed conveyor so customs agents can deal with it. This means agents no longer need to watch a screen as packages pass slowly through an xray machine, and packaging inspection capacity will increase by over 1000 times what's currently possible.

Sample of materials used for testing security scanners. Note they can differentiate between styles of beer.

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The problem here is this video is showing this technology being used to prevent an explosive device being smuggled onboard a passenger airliner, which isn’t what you’re claiming it’s already being / about to be used for, ie scanning ALL parcels being imported into the US.

There’s a massive difference between the political impetuous & resources behind scanning 500 suitcases per plane in order to stop a bomb killing 500 passengers (thus shutting down ALL air traffic within minutes & causing public & economic chaos) to scanning every one of the probably millions of parcels entering the US every day.

Also the data in the pic you’ve posted shows only the detection results for typical items that passengers carry onto planes & not the massively diverse range of items that will pass through inbound parcels Customs clearance - note I’m not saying it can’t successfully work with diverse items, but it does illustrate what the primary role of this technology being implemented is.

Do you have any evidence that the US is either planning to, or already has started using this technology operationally to scan cargo / packages at ports of entry into the US?

Just to add, I’m not being an arse or a naysayer here for the sake of it - you’re making some big claims here & by doing so effectively scaremongering (& essentially giving vendors justification to significantly raise prices just as they did last time people started scaremongering when China banned the production of certain compounds & “The Queen” got busted), so you really owe it to the members to back up your claims with more relevant hard evidence - & by relevant I specifically mean either of US customs (or any other country’s customs agency) using this technology operationally already, or has firm plans to adopt / implement it within a set timescale.

Please, no conjecture here about what they might do in the future, just hard evidence of the above.

 

[egruberman]

Why are you talking to him, speak directly to me like a man

Two tips for you. One, nobody is talking or speaking. It's just text and I promise it won't harm you. Second, no grown up human being would actually use this expression.

 

[Lexington]

Two tips for you. One, nobody is talking or speaking. It's just text and I promise it won't harm you. Second, no grown up human being would actually use this expression.

That’s exactly what I was going to advise him. Interesting.

 

[FLbound]

They're not so common in the US. I got some at a decent price from jorvet.com.

Thanks man!

 

[Middus]

Another Key factor, especially for roids is that a decent amount are still legal in the US. You just need a prescription to legally possess them. Crack down on underground and Legit sources will start to leak as someone will always see the opportunity for some side business. Unlike Opioids, it will not cause some kind of public health crisis.. so there will be less incentive to go heavy handed on these 'leaks'. The biggest threat would be a collapse of Chinese manufacturing generally. The stress on the supply chain would be ridiculous.
Personal opinions of course...

 

[Ghoul]

Another Key factor, especially for roids is that a decent amount are still legal in the US. You just need a prescription to legally possess them. Crack down on underground and Legit sources will start to leak as someone will always see the opportunity for some side business. Unlike Opioids, it will not cause some kind of public health crisis.. so there will be less incentive to go heavy handed on these 'leaks'. The biggest threat would be a collapse of Chinese manufacturing generally. The stress on the supply chain would be ridiculous.
Personal opinions of course...

Which steroids are legal in the US?

 

[Middus]

Which steroids are legal in the US?

Is this a trick question?

 

[egruberman]

The biggest threat would be a collapse of Chinese manufacturing generally. The stress on the supply chain would be ridiculous.

I think this is inevitable in the next few years.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Another Key factor, especially for roids is that a decent amount are still legal in the US. You just need a prescription to legally possess them.

Which steroids are legal in the US?

At least testosterone and anavar. I think one guy also said his clinic provides deca (although can't remember if Canadian). Plus the ones used to treat breast cancer or some other medical conditions.

@Middus specified prescription.

 

[Hypersonic]

At least testosterone and anavar. I think one guy also said his clinic provides deca (although can't remember if Canadian). Plus the ones used to treat breast cancer or some other medical conditions.

@Middus specified prescription.

Defy Medical has deca, winstrol, and anavar in their online store, but I don't know what one has to say to get it prescribed.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Defy Medical has deca, winstrol, and anavar in their online store, but I don't know what one has to say to get it prescribed.

pretty please with a cherry on top

 

[DECLAN]

In my opinion, the only sensible response to all the noise in the media, the clear moves by government to do something about all the fentanyl pouring in through international mail, is to stock up with whatever you'd rather not go without. I mean, we've seen delays from time to time anyway, so it was always sensible to have a few months supply on hand.

Luckily gear is still dirt cheap, and lasts a long, long time. 5+ years. Cheap insurance.

If nothing changes, great. Use up your surplus and carry on as normal.

If things suddenly dry up, something already being seen with certain international purchases (india pharma is a disaster at the moment), you'll be glad you've got enough on hand until someone figures out how to supply demand.

No way would stocking up cause a shortage. Plenty are convinced either it can't happen, won't happen, or if it does, new sources offering the same variety and prices will immediately replace any interrupted supply.

Before you even made this thread, the majority of gearheads have already collected stashes that borders manufacturing and distribution. I am talking collection of different ugls they used since the beginning of their steroid journey, anyone here who juiced for more than 10 years have hold on to some random 5ml bottle of tren they can’t throw away because of nostalgia.

Then you add in the various group buy and sales, now you have a small fridge full of gh that you can run for years.

So for older folks who have been around since the 90s-00’s, they already know the drill, no need for any warnings. The new guys will figure it on their own too, it doesn’t take much brain cells. All this paranoia is just unnecessary but just mumblings of bored folks in a steroid forum.

 

[UncleBuns]

Before you even made this thread, the majority of gearheads have already collected stashes that borders manufacturing and distribution. I am talking collection of different ugls they used since the beginning of their steroid journey, anyone here who juiced for more than 10 years have hold on to some random 5ml bottle of tren they can’t throw away because of nostalgia.

Then you add in the various group buy and sales, now you have a small fridge full of gh that you can run for years.

So for older folks who have been around since the 90s-00’s, they already know the drill, no need for any warnings. The new guys will figure it on their own too, it doesn’t take much brain cells. All this paranoia is just unnecessary but just mumblings of bored folks in a steroid forum.

I don't know man. If all this life extension research pans out you may need to hoard four lifetimes worth of stuff. Don't you want to be jacked when you're 350 years old?!