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[max187]

Yes sir I'm telling you 25 years of hard blasting and cruising I'll never go back to IM non daily injects. Just way too easy.

What volume of oil are you pinning subQ every day?

 

[readalot]

I do like to see sources get pressured into testing even if they feel they are getting attacked. All of this is happening in the name of harm reduction and in the end this is only going to strengthen GA. They are soon becoming a favorite for oils. Q oils seem to be filled with floaters, constantly crashing, and definitely under-filled I haven't had anyone measure their latest oils but they are fucking under filling to the max. No other source in here is doing this to people.

My thoughts on endotoxins are as follows coming from a petrochemical process and cannabis processing world. I do not believe there is going to be any form of endotoxin present in laboratory synthetic chemicals. They are a presence we worry about in the farming and biomass industry since the endotoxins are usually always present in some form in the biological world. Food and beverage industries utilize biomass and biological feedstock that is often contaminated with bacteria that breaks down during processing. This biomass and feed stock is not organic in these situations coming from the synthetic chemical laboratories. There is no throughput or stream of feedstock coming from a biological source. The only way we would possibly see endotoxin contamination would be if they got some shitty MCT oils or carrier oils that is tainted which could possibly be a thing. In the US there is testing on these MCT oils and carrier oils where this would typically not be an issue. If the Chinese are using Chinese oils they may not have the same level of testing in the food and beverage world. I have a feeling though they are importing bulk oil since I do not believe MCTs are derived locally in China.

I believe we are on a better path trying to look for other contaminants of a non-biological origin. Heavy metals, non organic and organic volatile chemicals used post synthesis, etc

Just my thoughts, again, not very smart, just tossing in my 2 cents

Thanks very much for your comments and effort here. Very much appreciated.

Here's example from Project 1 (BU raw). Still working on understanding absolute EU/ml (very pharma reference) instead of just relative but it may take a little bit. Will need positive and negative endotoxin controls and this is the first time an AAS raw has been tested at the lab Jano uses. He has been very helpful but a little more work before I can write this up. There's also potential artifacts I will detail that he noted.

Here's the result (top row) in comparison to peptide samples (xxxx). >10x higher and a function of process sterility.

Still waiting on results for a finished oil. Wanted to start methodically and check the raws (Project 1 - 1 raw and Project 2 - 5 raws).

 

[Sampei]

Yes sir I'm telling you 25 years of hard blasting and cruising I'll never go back to IM non daily injects. Just way too easy.

There is nothing easy in small lump of oil all over your body plus the multiple pinning a day.

Different point of view I guess, I enjoy my IM you enjoy your subq

 

[FunkOdyssey]

There is nothing easy in small lump of oil all over your body plus the multiple pinning a day.

Different point of view I guess, I enjoy my IM you enjoy your subq

Daily shallow IM is the way, pinned all over the place. Half the fun is experimenting with new muscles. Lats turned out to be one of the best sites that no one talks about.

 

[Ghoul]

I do like to see sources get pressured into testing even if they feel they are getting attacked. All of this is happening in the name of harm reduction and in the end this is only going to strengthen GA. They are soon becoming a favorite for oils. Q oils seem to be filled with floaters, constantly crashing, and definitely under-filled I haven't had anyone measure their latest oils but they are fucking under filling to the max. No other source in here is doing this to people.

My thoughts on endotoxins are as follows coming from a petrochemical process and cannabis processing world. I do not believe there is going to be any form of endotoxin present in laboratory synthetic chemicals. They are a presence we worry about in the farming and biomass industry since the endotoxins are usually always present in some form in the biological world. Food and beverage industries utilize biomass and biological feedstock that is often contaminated with bacteria that breaks down during processing. This biomass and feed stock is not organic in these situations coming from the synthetic chemical laboratories. There is no throughput or stream of feedstock coming from a biological source. The only way we would possibly see endotoxin contamination would be if they got some shitty MCT oils or carrier oils that is tainted which could possibly be a thing. In the US there is testing on these MCT oils and carrier oils where this would typically not be an issue. If the Chinese are using Chinese oils they may not have the same level of testing in the food and beverage world. I have a feeling though they are importing bulk oil since I do not believe MCTs are derived locally in China.

I believe we are on a better path trying to look for other contaminants of a non-biological origin. Heavy metals, non organic and organic volatile chemicals used post synthesis, etc

Just my thoughts, again, not very smart, just tossing in my 2 cents

A few points.

Eating endotoxin is no threat unless you have a compromised gut, as it can't cross that barrier into the bloodstream. We consume significant quantities every day.

We evolved to deal with it in food, it's everywhere.

Anywhere bacteria touches, it leaves behind endotoxin. Like a fingerprint. (or more like tracking shit on your shoes).

Injecting it is an entirely different matter, and large amounts can induce immediate reactions, while small amounts can be symptom free, while slowly contributing to damage, like accelerating arthritis.

Every injectable drug has some amount of endotoxin, including the most carefully made pharmaceuticals. That's how prevalent and difficult it is to remove. The FDA doesn't require anything to be endotoxin free, only placing maximum limits on how much exposure a patient is allowed in a certain amount of time.

But the beauty about endotoxin testing is this, regardless of whether one cares about the long term impact:

Everything that bacteria touches, even after sterilization(killing or removing live bacteria), leaves behind endotoxin. It can only be "deactivated" by very high heat.

Pharma must test for endotoxin, and UGL doesn't, resulting in a large gap between pharma and UGL production methods. Pharma knows they have to keep it out, because they can't remove it at the end. UGL only cares about sterilizing live bacteria out so acute infections aren't reported by users.

Pharma = ensure everything is sterile to the greatest extend possible to keep endotoxin out. From endotoxin free sterile ingredients to sterilized equipment, packaging, and production lab cleanliness. Filter sterilize at the end, Just as a safeguard the end product is sterile.

UGL = Use non pharma ingredients filled with contaminants, leave the raws bag open exposed to bacteria laden air. never sterilize equipment, use cheap containers and stoppers that are not endotoxin free, finally, at the end of this dirty, sloppy process. filter sterilize which is good enough to prevent a acute infections, and hides a multitude of sins.

But filter sterilizing won't hide endotoxin, which slips through .22um filters.

Endotoxin testing also detects live bacteria a bonus.

So in the end you get a number. EU/ml (endotoxins per ml).

Let's say you test 5 vials of the same compound from 5 labs. I'm certain you'll get wildly different results.

It's an insight into the lab's practices. Better than any "lab pic".

The lower the better. And when some lab's hidden carelessness and filthy production is revealed, they'll be incentivized to lower that number to compete.

Sterilize the equipment before brewing - EU will go down

Keep your raws sealed - EU will go down

Use pharma grade MCT, not the cheaper bulk stuff - EU will go down

Buy endotoxin free, or heat your own containers to deactivate endotoxin(which will also ensure they're sterilized) - EU will go down.

So as you can see, EU, whether you care about the cumulative, long term effects of endotoxins being injected (and you should), or not, one simple number, EU serves as a metric revealing the hidden lab conditions, ingredients, and other factors we wish we had insight into.

We could prime the pump by sponsoring the test of 5 (or more) vials of Test-C from the biggest vendors, and reveal who's operating a clean lab, and who isn't.

That single number could spark competition among gear sellers to be lowest EU, and therefore the cleanest, safest gear on the market.

Like dimer for HGH, this "clean lab score" could become an expected, mandatory test demanded by AAS buyers.

 

[bighunanballs]

What volume of oil are you pinning subQ every day?

Up to 1ml ED in one spot, can do 2x sites if needed for more volume. I'll do abdomen, love handles, glutes area etc.

 

[Sampei]

Daily shallow IM is the way, pinned all over the place. Half the fun is experimenting with new muscles. Lats turned out to be one of the best sites that no one talks about.

I'm scared of lats ahaha

Shallow IM.what kind of length of needle do you use? 19MM?

 

[Sampei]

Up to 1ml ED in one spot, can do 2x sites if needed for more volume. I'll do abdomen, love handles, glutes area etc.

Like for real? You inject 1ml SUBQ of oil? What the fuck? Subq???? You should have a golf size ball lol

 

[BamaCrazy]

Up to 1ml ED in one spot, can do 2x sites if needed for more volume. I'll do abdomen, love handles, glutes area etc.

As my body fats gets lower the abdomen is becoming less favorable for sub q. Any issues with 1-2mL ED in the glutes with Primo?

Seems like a big lump to sit on. lol

 

[bighunanballs]

Like for real? You inject 1ml SUBQ of oil? What the fuck? Subq???? You should have a golf size ball lol

I get a little knot that disappears after 24 hours I'm also 17% bf. The leaner you are the more noticeable the knots

 

[youwhat?]

I'm scared of lats ahaha

Shallow IM.what kind of length of needle do you use? 19MM?

I was at first too. They’re super easy and painless though. Kinda like VG on the upper half of the body lol

 

[youwhat?]

As my body fats gets lower the abdomen is becoming less favorable for sub q. Any issues with 1-2mL ED in the glutes with Primo?

Seems like a big lump to sit on. lol

I pin 3ml eod in my ventro glutes. It’ll be fine

 

[bighunanballs]

As my body fats gets lower the abdomen is becoming less favorable for sub q. Any issues with 1-2mL ED in the glutes with Primo?

Seems like a big lump to sit on. lol

I don't like primo, shits gay, prefer masteron that doesn't crash my E2. But I can go up to 1ml in one spot. Once you get too lean you gotta go IM. You can do cruise doses injecting in what bf you have in your glutes/ass crack. Vigorous Steve style

 

[Sampei]

A few points.

Eating endotoxin is no threat unless you have a compromised gut, as it can't cross that barrier into the bloodstream. We consume significant quantities every day.

We evolved to deal with it in food, it's everywhere.

Anywhere bacteria touches, it leaves behind endotoxin. Like a fingerprint. (or more like tracking shit on your shoes).

Injecting it is an entirely different matter, and large amounts can induce immediate reactions, while small amounts can be symptom free, while slowly contributing to damage, like accelerating arthritis.

Every injectable drug has some amount of endotoxin, including the most carefully made pharmaceuticals. That's how prevalent and difficult it is to remove. The FDA doesn't require anything to be endotoxin free, only placing maximum limits on how much exposure a patient is allowed in a certain amount of time.

But the beauty about endotoxin testing is this, regardless of whether one cares about the long term impact.

Everything that bacteria touches, even after sterilization(killing or removing live bacteria), leaves behind endotoxin. It can only be "deactivated" by very high heat.

Pharma must test for endotoxin, and UGL doesn't, This results in a large gap between pharma and UGL production methods.

Pharma = ensure everything is sterile to the greatest extend possible to keep endotoxin out. From endotoxin free sterile ingredients to sterilized equipment, packaging, and production lab cleanliness. Filter sterilize at the end, Just as a safeguard the end product is sterile.

UGL = Use non pharma ingredients filled with contaminants, leave the raws bag open exposed to bacteria laden air. never sterilize equipment, use cheap containers and stoppers that are not endotoxin free, finally, at the end of this dirty, sloppy process. filter sterilize which is good enough to prevent a acute infections, and hides a multitude of sins.

But filter sterilizing won't hide endotoxin, which slips through .22um filters.

Endotoxin testing also detects live bacteria a bonus.

So in the end you get a number. EU/ml (endotoxins per ml).

Let's say you test 5 vials of the same compound from 5 labs. I'm certain you'll get wildly different results.

It's an insight into the lab's practices. Better than any "lab pic".

The lower the better. And when some lab's hidden carelessness and filthy production is revealed, they'll be incentivized to lower that number to compete.

Sterilize the equipment before brewing - EU will go down

Keep your raws sealed - EU will go down

Use pharma grade MCT, not the cheaper bulk stuff - EU will go down

Buy endotoxin free, or heat your own containers to deactivate endotoxin(which will also ensure they're sterilized) - EU will go down.

So as you can see, EU, whether you care about the cumulative, long term effects of endotoxins being injected (and you should), or not, one simple number, EU serves as a metric revealing the hidden lab conditions, ingredients, and other factors we wish we had insight into.

We could prime the pump by sponsoring the test of 5 (or more) vials of Test-C from the biggest vendors, and reveal who's operating a clean lab, and who isn't.

That single number could spark competition among gear sellers to be lowest EU, and therefore the cleanest, safest gear on the market.

Like dimer for HGH, this "clean lab score" could become an expected, mandatory test demanded by AAS buyers.

If I gather the money in the future I wanna test my own oils Vs UGL oils and see if an home brewer has a better and safer general way of brewing compared to an UGL.

Would be funny if my oils come back with a lot less EU Vs UGLs

 

[Sampei]

I get a little knot that disappears after 24 hours I'm also 17% bf. The leaner you are the more noticeable the knots

Yeah nice joke buddy you should state that BF thing before. Go pin 1ml at 12% BF and enjoy a golf ball for 2+ days

That's why I couldn't understand how you were doing it xD

 

[Grey Spartan]

I'm scared of lats ahaha

Shallow IM.what kind of length of needle do you use? 19MM?

I use 1/2 inch about 13mm for shallow IM

 

[Sampei]

I use 1/2 inch about 13mm for shallow IM

Gonna try it. I use 27G 19MM on average and 25G 25MM only in glutes

 

[Ghoul]

If I gather the money in the future I wanna test my own oils Vs UGL oils and see if an home brewer has a better and safer general way of brewing compared to an UGL.

Would be funny if my oils come back with a lot less EU Vs UGLs

Wouldn't surprise me. Also, there are some small labs here, who, if the pics are accurate, run very clean operations, including air filtration, hoods, sterilizing all equipment between runs, even wearing "bunny suits" to prevent stuff from their bodies from getting into the gear.

Meanwhile, you know some are running them like dirty meth labs, not using pharma grade oils, and relying on the "crutch" of sterilization filters to put out nice clear liquid in pretty bottles at the end. Some can't even manage that, and people think the parts of the process you can't see are being done with health in mind??

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I'm scared of lats ahaha

Shallow IM.what kind of length of needle do you use? 19MM?

30G 1/2" (12.7 mm)

 

[Sampei]

30G 1/2" (12.7 mm)

Where do you pin? Usual IM spot?