12 week lean bulk, 15 pound muscle gain.

[Houseofgainz]

Hello all, current stats are 6'0 190 lbs at 7-8% body fat. I'm trying to add 12-15 pounds of muscle to my frame to peak at my under 200 LHW class.

My cycle consist of:
Weeks 1-12 test e at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 Tren ace at 400 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 masteron prop at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-3 anadrol at 50mg Ed
Weeks 4-6 anadrol at 75 mg Ed
Weeks 6-12 Trestolone ace (MENT) at 50mg Ed
Weeks 6-9 T3 at 50mcg a day
Weeks 10-13 T3 at 75 mcg a day.

Ancillaries will be, aromasin at 12.5 Ed. I have let on hand as well if needed. Cabergoline at .5 a week.

Pct proto
Weeks 14-16 HCG 1500ius eod
Weeks 17-22 nolvadex, clomid at 50/150 for first 3 weeks then 25/75 for last 2 weeks.

Ive has years of aas use and I understand the gear I'm running, but any critiquing will be appreciated. No need to talk irrelevant statements on this thread, advice only. This is my first ever bulking cycle, normally only use "cutting" anabolics although a cycle all depends on diet and training. Thanks everyone!

 

[Leancuisine]

6 weeks of anadrol could be over kill. Literally. RBC is a bitch when it gets high. Mine was sky high 3 weeks into anadrol at 100mg ED.
Never tried ment, but my buddy blew up off 50mg a day.

I think T3 at 50mcg is wasteful. Especially at 8-9% bodyfat already. your body probably makes the equivalent of 30-40mcg and upwards of 50 on high carb days. No need in my opinion.

5 weeks might be a bit long between last shot and PCT. But if it works for you, it works for you.

I don't see how your dosing is.
50mg ED of tren a would get you 350mg
75mg of mast P ED would get you 525. Is that how you are dosing it? With mast p I ever noticed a difference between pinning ED or EOD but tren I definitely noticed a huge difference in mood and energy when I started pinning that ED.

 

[Leancuisine]

Very well laid out and organized though. I like it.
I will be running something similar to this soon, except I'm trying DHB instead of tren, and superdrol instead of anadrol.

 

[Test_Subject]

I like everything except the MENT. MENT is insanely suppressive. More so than nandrolone. It's a terrible choice for those who PCT.

Also, (and this is personal preference) if you're going to run the tren and mast for 12 weeks, why not use enanthate instead of ace/prop?

 

[Houseofgainz]

6 weeks of anadrol could be over kill. Literally. RBC is a bitch when it gets high. Mine was sky high 3 weeks into anadrol at 100mg ED.
Never tried ment, but my buddy blew up off 50mg a day.

I think T3 at 50mcg is wasteful. Especially at 8-9% bodyfat already. your body probably makes the equivalent of 30-40mcg and upwards of 50 on high carb days. No need in my opinion.

5 weeks might be a bit long between last shot and PCT. But if it works for you, it works for you.

I don't see how your dosing is.
50mg ED of tren a would get you 350mg
75mg of mast P ED would get you 525. Is that how you are dosing it? With mast p I ever noticed a difference between pinning ED or EOD but tren I definitely noticed a huge difference in mood and energy when I started pinning that ED.

You have to understand if you run the right supplementation as in co-q 10, hawthorn berries, and an all-around liver kidney in Oregon support supplement like enhancedathlete sells then that will get rid of a lot of adverse side effects. Also, you ran yours at 100 mg Ed. I'm starting off with 50 mg every day for the first 3 weeks and then donating blood to get my red blood cell count back and check as much as I can before I start 75 milligrams everyday. I'm also a huge advocate of cardio I'm talking to hours a day one hour in the morning and 1 hour post workout. The way I will be getting 400 mg Tren Ace is simply making sure by Sunday that I am hitting the 400 mg Mark even if that means my shot prior to was that Saturday I still will pin again to make sure I hit 400 mg. Same goes for the Masteron. As I said before I have years of experience and let me tell you the one thing I wanted the most is it really isn't going to affect you that much if your blood levels don't stay consistently stable at all times it's okay if you rush a shot one day sooner once a week. The effect it will have on the quality of games is virtually unnoticeable. When it comes to mental and emotional effects that is all up to who you are as a person and how you let things affect you. I'm very conscious of my mood at all times, it never really changes I Stay level-headed I don't believe in the whole rage myth behind trend or feeling numb to the world around you all that is b*******and for people just to want to sound like a badass because they take steroids. It's the main sign of an inferiority complex they're simply trying to act as if others are inferior to them. I believe having God as my best friend is really what keeps my ego in check. My body fat right now being 7-8% is simply do to my diet because it's summer and I'm a fitness model. My cycle that I am posting about now will start in October there is no reason for me to be shredded to the Bone during that time of year. And hints bulking means eating your face off like you never would before there will be no calorie restriction but all foods will still be just as clean. I plan on taking upwards of 4,500 to 5000 calories a day. Right now i eat no more than 2500 calories a day with high volume and intensity workouts.

 

[Houseofgainz]

I like everything except the MENT. MENT is insanely suppressive. More so than nandrolone. It's a terrible choice for those who PCT.

Also, (and this is personal preference) if you're going to run the tren and mast for 12 weeks, why not use enanthate instead of ace/prop?

To answer your first question I PCT for a month after every cycle no matter what simply for my own health for my male hormones because in the future I want to have children if you stay suppress such a long time you may not ever be able to recover. Also the reason why I run acetate and propionate esters as opposed to an Investor's aside from testosterone is because the purity of the compound decreases with the longer half-life. Also as I mentioned before about blood levels even though keeping the stability of them from an everyday shot to every other day shot really will not change much of a complex with anything the blood levels will change so much that you will notice a difference. Now after my PCT although this may not make much sense to you I will Cruse on just a regular 250 mg of testosterone e a week. This this simply because I am preparing for a show and even though I did propose a PCT in my cycle I'm still trying to keep my gains that I made. The PCT is simply for how I said before to restart my LH production and get my testes working as they should and while I cruise I run 500 IU's of HCG every week

 

[rated_rko]

Seems solid

 

[Houseofgainz]

Being on steroids and using anabolics does not mean that you just throw out your natural production from existing just because you're taking a compound that suppresses you.

 

[Leangains4life]

Hello all, current stats are 6'0 190 lbs at 7-8% body fat. I'm trying to add 12-15 pounds of muscle to my frame to peak at my under 200 LHW class.

My cycle consist of:
Weeks 1-12 test e at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 Tren ace at 400 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 masteron prop at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-3 anadrol at 50mg Ed
Weeks 4-6 anadrol at 75 mg Ed
Weeks 6-12 Trestolone ace (MENT) at 50mg Ed
Weeks 6-9 T3 at 50mcg a day
Weeks 10-13 T3 at 75 mcg a day.

Ancillaries will be, aromasin at 12.5 Ed. I have let on hand as well if needed. Cabergoline at .5 a week.

Pct proto
Weeks 14-16 HCG 1500ius eod
Weeks 17-22 nolvadex, clomid at 50/150 for first 3 weeks then 25/75 for last 2 weeks.

Ive has years of aas use and I understand the gear I'm running, but any critiquing will be appreciated. No need to talk irrelevant statements on this thread, advice only. This is my first ever bulking cycle, normally only use "cutting" anabolics although a cycle all depends on diet and training. Thanks everyone!

I ran ment before 50 ed and i blew up estro even on 50mg aromasin ed and 2,5 letro ed..

Trust me on this run letro .. enhaneced athleet ran 2,5 letro and 50 ed of aromasin and his estro was skyfkn higj in the 200s

 

[Houseofgainz]

I ran ment before 50 ed and i blew up estro even on 50mg aromasin ed and 2,5 letro ed..

Trust me on this run letro .. enhaneced athleet ran 2,5 letro and 50 ed of aromasin and his estro was skyfkn higj in the 200s

That's the exact reason why I have letro on hand is for when I start the ment. I'm genetically blessed when it comes to conversion of estrogen I've never had a problem so I believe 2.5 mg of letro everyday with 12.5 mg of aromasin will be plenty also letro is very hard on your lipid profile so you do not want to run a dose like that for too long. Also keep in mind it's only 50 mg every day that I'm running and not 100 as you hear dr. Tony huge talk about

 

[Houseofgainz]

I ran ment before 50 ed and i blew up estro even on 50mg aromasin ed and 2,5 letro ed..

Trust me on this run letro .. enhaneced athleet ran 2,5 letro and 50 ed of aromasin and his estro was skyfkn higj in the 200s

So don't worry buddy as I said I'm highly educated and what I do I'm a double major neuroscience and psychology and have a minor in Sports Nutrition I'm a nerd at heart and I take that into everything that I do.

 

[Houseofgainz]

I ran ment before 50 ed and i blew up estro even on 50mg aromasin ed and 2,5 letro ed..

Trust me on this run letro .. enhaneced athleet ran 2,5 letro and 50 ed of aromasin and his estro was skyfkn higj in the 200s

Also if it makes you feel any better I already ran 20 Mls of ment before. Did not have any estrogen problems and I only ran letro three times a week at a two and a half mg dose. I telling you genetically my body does not have a problem with the aromatization of compounds some people are more prone than others

 

[Test_Subject]

To answer your first question I PCT for a month after every cycle no matter what simply for my own health for my male hormones because in the future I want to have children if you stay suppress such a long time you may not ever be able to recover.

I didn't ask that question...

the purity of the compound decreases with the longer half-life.

No it doesn't. The ester accounts for more of the solution's weight, but you can easily adjust for that. That's not the same thing as the compound's purity.

Also as I mentioned before about blood levels even though keeping the stability of them from an everyday shot to every other day shot really will not change much of a complex with anything the blood levels will change so much that you will notice a difference.

Come again?

 

[Houseofgainz]

I didn't ask that question...



No it doesn't. The ester accounts for more of the solution's weight, but you can easily adjust for that. That's not the same thing as the compound's purity.



Come again?

You said PCT is pointless because of the shut down. It isn't pointless, restarting the testes natural production is very important because long term shutdown could become a permanent problem. Do your research. Also, you're right the "purity" is the same but the active chemical decreases with a longer ester which means a ace form of Tren at 100mg convert's to about 98 mg. Tren e 200mg will give you about 160-170 mg in total of Trenbolone. Hence ace is a bigger bang for your buck if you don't mind the pinning. You can keep a better blood level consistency with ace as well minimize side effects. So yes you did ask those questions I just answered them throughly.

 

[stone988]

Good cycle but you will be way over 200lbs if you run this correctly. Unless you eat like a bird you will be way over your LHW limit. Yea I dont see the need for t3, the tren will burn off any shit you are holding. Have fun in the heavyweight division lol

 

[Test_Subject]

You said pct is pointless because of the shut down. It isn't pointless, restarting the testes natural production is very important because long term shutdown could become a permanent problem. Do your research.

Are you drunk or retarded? Where did I say that? Feel free to quote me.

I said that MENT was not a good choice for those who PCT. Reading comprehension: use it.

You seem to be more concerned with appearing erudite than actually reading what people are typing.

 

[Leangains4life]

Sory brother but with 12,5 aromasin a day and runing anadrol 500 of test e and the. Adding some ment lmao ur in for a puffy saggy soft looking bodybuilder just liek these guys at my gym runing test dbol no ai cuz they say oh im ok but u keep seeing the fkn moonface puffyness no dryness in arm legs anywhere lol

 

[Docd187123]

You said PCT is pointless because of the shut down. It isn't pointless, restarting the testes natural production is very important because long term shutdown could become a permanent problem. Do your research. Also, you're right the "purity" is the same but the active chemical decreases with a longer ester which means a ace form of Tren at 100mg convert's to about 98 mg. Tren e 200mg will give you about 160-170 mg in total of Trenbolone. Hence ace is a bigger bang for your buck if you don't mind the pinning. You can keep a better blood level consistency with ace as well minimize side effects. So yes you did ask those questions I just answered them throughly.

Your numbers are way off. 1ml of a 100mg/ml of tren a solution does not contain 98mg of tren. It's significantly lower than this. Same goes for the tren e.

Ace is not a better bang for your buck when you factor in the price of ace vs enan.

And you cannot maintain more stable blood levels with a shorter ester than you can with a longer ester. I don't know where you came up with that idea but it's completely false.

 

[Leangains4life]

Your numbers are way off. 1ml of a 100mg/ml of tren a solution does not contain 98mg of tren. It's significantly lower than this. Same goes for the tren e.

Ace is not a better bang for your buck when you factor in the price of ace vs enan.

And you cannot maintain more stable blood levels with a shorter ester than you can with a longer ester. I don't know where you came up with that idea but it's completely false.

Anyways a big estro niple slip disaster is about to happen lol

 

[Erin]

You said PCT is pointless because of the shut down. It isn't pointless, restarting the testes natural production is very important because long term shutdown could become a permanent problem. Do your research. Also, you're right the "purity" is the same but the active chemical decreases with a longer ester which means a ace form of Tren at 100mg convert's to about 98 mg. Tren e 200mg will give you about 160-170 mg in total of Trenbolone. Hence ace is a bigger bang for your buck if you don't mind the pinning. You can keep a better blood level consistency with ace as well minimize side effects. So yes you did ask those questions I just answered them throughly.

Your claimed experience and credentials don't match your uninformed, arrogant posts. I doubt you're even into your major classes yet, as you clearly haven't had even a cursory exposure to pharmacokinetics (WRT your claim of "blood level consistency").

TrenA is only dosed at at 100mg/ml, whereas TrenE is commonly dosed at 200mg/ml. Hence, TrenA is not "a bigger bang for your buck."

I'm guessing you've done some research, but you don't have nearly the age/experience you claim - not nearly enough to make an informed decision to undertake such a potentially dangerous cycle and ensure recovery. I'm sure you'll post dismissing this, but I would still urge you to slow down and reconsider.