12 week lean bulk, 15 pound muscle gain.

[Leancuisine]

Your claimed experience and credentials don't match your uninformed, arrogant posts. I doubt you're even into your major classes yet, as you clearly haven't had even a cursory exposure to pharmacokinetics (WRT your claim of "blood level consistency").

TrenA is only dosed at at 100mg/ml, whereas TrenE is commonly dosed at 200mg/ml. Hence, TrenA is not "a bigger bang for your buck."

I'm guessing you've done some research, but you don't have nearly the age/experience you claim - not nearly enough to make an informed decision to undertake such a potentially dangerous cycle and ensure recovery. I'm sure you'll post dismissing this, but I would still urge you to slow down and reconsider.

I think tren A at 400mg a week will give you more actual tren than 400mg of tren e would.

 

[Houseofgainz]

So far there seems to be two people on here who know what they're talking about. Shorter esters HAVE MORE BIOAVAILABILITY OF THE COMPOUND, also THEY CALL FOR MORE STABLE LEVELS. On top of that, 12.5 aromasin is plenty until MENT is added in. Then I'll add letro at 2.5 eod or ed also depending on how I responded. Again, genetics play a role, just like acne, hair loss and gyno are dependents of genetics, none if which I get except for a hardly noticeable increase in acne on my back. With two hours of cardio and working 12 hours a day doing carpenter work, I sweat enough to keep water out along with a low sodium, high potassium diet and sauna everyday. I know what I'm doing. I asked for advice or relatable experience. These aren't first time compounds for me, so I know my response to them.

 

[Houseofgainz]

And yes I will be well over 200 but after cutting im hoping I can be around 205-210 lean and water cut the rest for comp

 

[Leangains4life]

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So far there seems to be two people on here who know what they're talking about. Shorter esters HAVE MORE BIOAVAILABILITY OF THE COMPOUND, also THEY CALL FOR MORE STABLE LEVELS. On top of that, 12.5 aromasin is plenty until MENT is added in. Then I'll add letro at 2.5 eod or ed also depending on how I responded. Again, genetics play a role, just like acne, hair loss and gyno are dependents of genetics, none if which I get except for a hardly noticeable increase in acne on my back. With two hours of cardio and working 12 hours a day doing carpenter work, I sweat enough to keep water out along with a low sodium, high potassium diet and sauna everyday. I know what I'm doing. I asked for advice or relatable experience. These aren't first time compounds for me, so I know my response to them.

inwouentnsuggest low sodium on tren. Inhad huge abs cramp before. Use alot of pink salt:. Watch stan eferding on salt

 

[Houseofgainz]

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inwouentnsuggest low sodium on tren. Inhad huge abs cramp before. Use alot of pink salt:. Watch stan eferding on salt

You're right, it could give to cramps. But my intake will be reasonable, especially before workouts mainly. I'm just not going to go to sleep and wake up a water buffalo from 10 servings of stir fry sauce the night before

 

[Docd187123]

So far there seems to be two people on here who know what they're talking about.

Unfortunately you don't happen to be one of those two ppl.

Shorter esters HAVE MORE BIOAVAILABILITY OF THE COMPOUND,

This is 100% categorically false. There's no way to even defend your position bc you have no comprehension of pharmacokinetics apparently.

also THEY CALL FOR MORE STABLE LEVELS.

Once again, you couldn't be more wrong if you actually tried.

 

[Wunderpus]

Hello all, current stats are 6'0 190 lbs at 7-8% body fat. I'm trying to add 12-15 pounds of muscle to my frame to peak at my under 200 LHW class.

My cycle consist of:
Weeks 1-12 test e at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 Tren ace at 400 mg a week
Weeks 1-12 masteron prop at 500 mg a week
Weeks 1-3 anadrol at 50mg Ed
Weeks 4-6 anadrol at 75 mg Ed
Weeks 6-12 Trestolone ace (MENT) at 50mg Ed
Weeks 6-9 T3 at 50mcg a day
Weeks 10-13 T3 at 75 mcg a day.

Ancillaries will be, aromasin at 12.5 Ed. I have let on hand as well if needed. Cabergoline at .5 a week.

Pct proto
Weeks 14-16 HCG 1500ius eod
Weeks 17-22 nolvadex, clomid at 50/150 for first 3 weeks then 25/75 for last 2 weeks.

Ive has years of aas use and I understand the gear I'm running, but any critiquing will be appreciated. No need to talk irrelevant statements on this thread, advice only. This is my first ever bulking cycle, normally only use "cutting" anabolics although a cycle all depends on diet and training. Thanks everyone!

Overall, I like it. Curious about the MENT, though... Why use it...? Also, why not start your T3 at 25mcg's and then bump to 50? 75mcg's is aggressive and i worry you'll burn a lot of the muscle you put on... Be ready to watch your BP with tren and anadrol, but it'll also pack on some good size. Hopefully the tren doesn't hinder your overall gains, as it does for me. It kills my appetite and fucks my sleep up (recovery) so I only use it when I want to be in a deficit. Personally I'd prefer NPP over tren ace...

Good luck with this, overall I think you're at a good place.

 

[Houseofgainz]

Overall, I like it. Curious about the MENT, though... Why use it...? Also, why not start your T3 at 25mcg's and then bump to 50? 75mcg's is aggressive and i worry you'll burn a lot of the muscle you put on... Be ready to watch your BP with tren and anadrol, but it'll also pack on some good size. Hopefully the tren doesn't hinder your overall gains, as it does for me. It kills my appetite and fucks my sleep up (recovery) so I only use it when I want to be in a deficit. Personally I'd prefer NPP over tren ace...

Good luck with this, overall I think you're at a good place.

Finally a good response!! Well I chose to implement MEANT because I how anabolic it is and the size it adds, although you CAN retain a lot of water it also shreds your body fat apart far more than Tren. Trust me, blood pressure is something I will watch every day. O can't preach a clean diet and lots of cardiovascular activity every day for heart health thought, it seriously does wonders. I know 75 mcg is a high does but that's why I'm only hitting it at that amount for 3 weeks. Im not starting with 25 as I feel that's what I produce normally almost. As for I already have a fast metabolism with my activity level. I believe the aas that I'm using will save me when it comes to muscle preservation at the end of my cycle when t3 is added and since I'll be taking in so many calories itll help that much more with cleaning up my look towards the end of my cycle for this isn't a moon face look type of bulk, I'm trying to add as much muscle with as little fat and water retention.

 

[Test_Subject]

So you're just going to completely skim over the fact that you attributed a position to me that I never stated, then?

Way to man up.

You're about half as intelligent as you seem to think that you are. You storm in here like you know what in the fuck you're talking about and proceed to spout off a bunch of half-truths, outright bullshit and attribute things to people that they didn't ever say to give you an excuse to go on a quasi-pedantic rant...

Fuck right off, kid. Are you a roofer by chance?

 

[Houseofgainz]

So you're just going to completely skim over the fact that you attributed a position to me that I never stated, then?

Way to man up.

You're about half as intelligent as you seem to think that you are. You storm in here like you know what in the fuck you're talking about and proceed to spout off a bunch of half-truths, outright bullshit and say people said things that they didn't...

Fuck right off, kid. Are you a roofer by chance?

There are so many replies going on that I'm not taking the time to go back and look at exactly what you said so I an overall sense reply to your comment for what I remembered. My question to you is why in the hell are you so angry? I'm honestly baffled you are this hurt from an online thread conversation you are the whole reason people link anger to steroids. So if you want a more direct response please ask me what you want me to respond to and I will respond directly to it

 

[Leancuisine]

Overall, I like it.

Oh... I know what you reeaaaaally like

 

[Leancuisine]

I will be watching this though. I am curious as to see how the ment works for you.
@franchise24 and I have been talking about ment quite a bit recently.

 

[johntt44]

You have to understand if you run the right supplementation as in co-q 10, hawthorn berries, and an all-around liver kidney in Oregon support supplement like enhancedathlete sells then that will get rid of a lot of adverse side effects. Also, you ran yours at 100 mg Ed. I'm starting off with 50 mg every day for the first 3 weeks and then donating blood to get my red blood cell count back and check as much as I can before I start 75 milligrams everyday. I'm also a huge advocate of cardio I'm talking to hours a day one hour in the morning and 1 hour post workout. The way I will be getting 400 mg Tren Ace is simply making sure by Sunday that I am hitting the 400 mg Mark even if that means my shot prior to was that Saturday I still will pin again to make sure I hit 400 mg. Same goes for the Masteron. As I said before I have years of experience and let me tell you the one thing I wanted the most is it really isn't going to affect you that much if your blood levels don't stay consistently stable at all times it's okay if you rush a shot one day sooner once a week. The effect it will have on the quality of games is virtually unnoticeable. When it comes to mental and emotional effects that is all up to who you are as a person and how you let things affect you. I'm very conscious of my mood at all times, it never really changes I Stay level-headed I don't believe in the whole rage myth behind trend or feeling numb to the world around you all that is b*******and for people just to want to sound like a badass because they take steroids. It's the main sign of an inferiority complex they're simply trying to act as if others are inferior to them. I believe having God as my best friend is really what keeps my ego in check. My body fat right now being 7-8% is simply do to my diet because it's summer and I'm a fitness model. My cycle that I am posting about now will start in October there is no reason for me to be shredded to the Bone during that time of year. And hints bulking means eating your face off like you never would before there will be no calorie restriction but all foods will still be just as clean. I plan on taking upwards of 4,500 to 5000 calories a day. Right now i eat no more than 2500 calories a day with high volume and intensity workouts.

I read through this thread and if you believe that liver supps and caber are actually needed then you aren't the genius you claim to be. Nice cycle though. I ran ment(and test cyp at 500) at 50mg eod and had no estro problems. It actually worked well.

 

[JC456]

I believe having God as my best friend is really what keeps my ego in check.

Only an act of God is putting on 15lbs of actual muscle in 12 weeks.

Not the cycle I'd run for these type of goals at all.

 

[Houseofgainz]

I read through this thread and if you believe that liver supps and caber are actually needed then you aren't the genius you claim to be. Nice cycle though. I ran ment(and test cyp at 500) at 50mg eod and had no estro problems. It actually worked well.

Co-q 10 is not a liver supplement neither is hawthorn berries. Two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar at night before bed or in the morning with a glass of water decreases blood pressure drastically also. I just don't think you read completely what I said before

 

[Houseofgainz]

Only an act of God is putting on 15lbs of actual muscle in 12 weeks.

Not the cycle I'd run for these type of goals at all.

It is very possible. Just have to train like an absolute animal and eat like one and do the necessary precautions to make sure it's muscle gain and not fat

 

[johntt44]

Co-q 10 is not a liver supplement neither is hawthorn berries. Two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar at night before bed or in the morning with a glass of water decreases blood pressure drastically also. I just don't think you read completely what I said before

No, meant where you said liver and kidney Oregon supplement or whatever it was. Also caber.

 

[johntt44]

You have to understand if you run the right supplementation as in co-q 10, hawthorn berries, and an all-around liver kidney in Oregon support supplement like enhancedathlete sells then that will get rid of a lot of adverse side effects. Also, you ran yours at 100 mg Ed. I'm starting off with 50 mg every day for the first 3 weeks and then donating blood to get my red blood cell count back and check as much as I can before I start 75 milligrams everyday. I'm also a huge advocate of cardio I'm talking to hours a day one hour in the morning and 1 hour post workout. The way I will be getting 400 mg Tren Ace is simply making sure by Sunday that I am hitting the 400 mg Mark even if that means my shot prior to was that Saturday I still will pin again to make sure I hit 400 mg. Same goes for the Masteron. As I said before I have years of experience and let me tell you the one thing I wanted the most is it really isn't going to affect you that much if your blood levels don't stay consistently stable at all times it's okay if you rush a shot one day sooner once a week. The effect it will have on the quality of games is virtually unnoticeable. When it comes to mental and emotional effects that is all up to who you are as a person and how you let things affect you. I'm very conscious of my mood at all times, it never really changes I Stay level-headed I don't believe in the whole rage myth behind trend or feeling numb to the world around you all that is b*******and for people just to want to sound like a badass because they take steroids. It's the main sign of an inferiority complex they're simply trying to act as if others are inferior to them. I believe having God as my best friend is really what keeps my ego in check. My body fat right now being 7-8% is simply do to my diet because it's summer and I'm a fitness model. My cycle that I am posting about now will start in October there is no reason for me to be shredded to the Bone during that time of year. And hints bulking means eating your face off like you never would before there will be no calorie restriction but all foods will still be just as clean. I plan on taking upwards of 4,500 to 5000 calories a day. Right now i eat no more than 2500 calories a day with high volume and intensity workouts.

^ This post.

 

[Houseofgainz]

Ohhh I was using voice talk as well and it spelled Oregon anyways you need all around protection, whether it's liver, heart, kidneys and simply just to combat your lipid profile from going in a negative direction. Caber is needed when running Tren, and MEANT as they bother effect prolactin. You seem to be like me though and don't really experience these side effects of aas. I run small doses to protect but never see a flare up in this category for my personal sake.

 

[johntt44]

Ohhh I was using voice talk as well and it spelled Oregon anyways you need all around protection, whether it's liver, heart, kidneys and simply just to combat your lipid profile from going in a negative direction. Caber is needed when running Tren, and MEANT as they bother effect prolactin. You seem to be like me though and don't really experience these side effects of aas. I run small doses to protect but never see a flare up in this category for my personal sake.

No, caber is not needed. I've had low normal prolactin levels after 700mg wk tren ace. I spend my money on bloodwork instead of useless drugs. I did buy caber before 1st tren cycle but didn't need it.