Restart Log

[KidCapriB]

Secondary hypo, normal testes size, from AAS use shut me down a little over 3 years ago. Doc says every patient who experimented with AAS has recovered under his protocols. I'm on a new treatment type never been done before, he calls it rapid cycling.

HCG 250 daily mon-thurs
Clomid 15mg fri-sun
repeat for several months
oh and also he's putting me on Selgium? not sure of the spelling, haven't received it yet in the mail, a topical substance to increase dopamine in an attempt to really get the hypothalmus going.

goal is to get the leydig cells jumping after 3 years of being down regulated. did my first injection today, it really hurt my balls they were killing me the whole day and I was jumpy for a few hours after the injection. This rapid cycling is a brand new idea from my doc and we're gonna see how it works out on me. I'm extremely scared of the HCG as I hope it doesn't desensitize my pituitary, make me primary, etc. According to him I wont have a problem with that. I'm going to have blood tests every 3 weeks

 

[eeso]

If you haven't taken HCG during the course of your HRT, this seems like a good plan to me. Nice reasonable doses of both hcg and clomid with a plan in mind rather than a "quick fix" solution.

 

[KidCapriB]

the hcg scares the sh!t out of me though with all we hear about it desensitizing the pituitary. even in the instruction manual that came with the hcg, it said in cases on secondary hypo its generally only been used for about 3 weeks... and im suposed to cycle this every week for months, im scared man

 

[eeso]

I took it once or twice a week for 2 years whilst on HRT. As long as you stay under 500iu shots I think you're fine - I remember Swale/Dr. John Crisler writing that.

 

[KidCapriB]

thanks man for the reassurance. now do you know how to draw the hcg into the needle properly? should i put the needle into the vial push down to get air out and then draw up what i need from the vial?

 

[coz]

Hi Kid, Sounds like an interesting plan with sensible doses. I think at 250iu per shot you shouldn't have to worry about leydig desensitization, from what I've read it occurs from much higher doses.

Look forward to following your log. Will you also be posting your blood results up here ?

Good Luck

 

[KidCapriB]

definately I'm getting blood tests every 3 weeks. Hopefully me being the first test subject on this rapid cycling can lead to the recovery of many others. Lets hope it works out.

 

[chap]

just noticed you said "selgium"

sounds like selegeline.

I found being on hcg for an extended time wasn't much fun, the peaks and valleys while on the drug seemed really pronounced, and when you come off the initial crash is much greater compared to a test-ester crash, which feels more like a taper..

 

[KidCapriB]

second day on HCG...doc said run the hcg alone till next thursday when we'll begin the rapid cycling of HCG mon-thurs and Clomid Fri-Sun. First day I did a shot of HCG of 25 units, second day I took it down to 15 units which i think is equal to 250 iu or whatever. I'm not enjoy this hcg, dick is worse than it was before, and i'm very sluggish. I feel worse than before I started hcg. 1st injection when I did 25 units seemed to be too much though, it hurt my balls.

 

[Megazoid]

Kid, when you say your dick is "worse" by what do you mean? Has it shrunk up like mine did with the low t?

 

[farmerjohn]

Kid, ignore my other post, I see your protocol here. I'm also a Shippen patient. if you mix 5 ml with the HCG powder and use 15 in the syringe it is 300 iu. 250 would be 12.5 on the syringe. The clomid is supposed to help your pituitary from shutting down in my opinion. If you feel worse it could be that you are responding too well to the HCG and your estradiol and T are too high now. If you are worried about this being true then do a blood test after 2 weeks or less instead of 3. Shippen is not only understanding if you modify the plan but encourages it based on how you feel. Youre in pretty good hands here I think so give this a try and don't worry so much.

 

[Kingston pt]

Hopefully everything gets back to normal. Good Luck

 

[KidCapriB]

Day 6 of 250iu hCG, just got back from the gym. I had an intense workout of chest and legs, not tired at all afterwards which would just be an understatement to how id feel after a workout before starting hcg. Strength is up a bit in certain exercises, the same in others. Overall I feel my mood is much better, I'm not always pissed off, and I have sustained energy throughout the day, no sudden surges or anything just very even sustained energy. Testicles might have gotten slighty slightly larger, but mine were already normal size to begin with so I don't expect much extra growth. Some days I really feel the tingling sensation in my balls throughout the day after an injection, others I don't feel it at all. I'm enjoying being on this, still however I haven't had one erection. Then again...I haven't tried to get an erection or had time to be lookiing at porn or messing around with a girl so we'll wait and see on that one.

 

[cwoody123]

I get that exact same tingling sensation. When i was recovering natrually i would get this tingle most mornings. I think in me its a sure sign balls are alive and kicking. Since being on Clomid i get the occasional tingle but def not as much as when i was at my natural high level.

All the best

 

[KidCapriB]

Today will be my 3rd day on clomid 15mg.

protocol is as follows, 250iu hcg daily mon-thurs, 15mg clomid fri-sun, 0.5 mL Selegiline every day.

I'm really hating being on this clomid, my face is bloated and I just do not feel good at all. I did not expect this at all I figured because clomid is an anti-E I wouldn't being experiecing these effects of water retention, bloat, etc. I'm taking the clomid at nights fri-sun and i realy see it doing absolutely nothing. At this point I think my E2 is too high and i'm experiencing all the negative side effects of it

 

[Recless]

Try to stop overanalyzing everything Bro and give it some more time. You have to be more patient, otherwise you are only hindering your recovery with all the stress. You are under the care of a great Dr. and need to have more faith. I know you don't want to hear this but it's true Bro.

 

[KidCapriB]

yea i understand but this is a restart log so i'm doing my best to post exactly whats going on. so like i said, on the clomid not feeling too good, very bloated, low energy

 

[eeso]

It's more likely to be the HCG bloating u up, and it's just taken a few days to happen. Clomid won't bloat u up overnight (if it was the clomid). Hell, even dianabol would take more than a few days to really bloat u.

I prefere to take clomid in the morning because it tends to keep me up at night. I guess u probably wouldn't notice so much on 15mg but something to keep in mind.

 

[KidCapriB]

ahhh very true good point about the hcg. i definately think it's making my e2 too high i guess we'll see in 3 weeks when i do my bloodtest.

 

[keaster]

I found that the HCG really made me bloated. Try some epson salt baths (magnesium) till you get everything sorted with your doc. They are also good for recovery from intense training. Pop 400-600g in the tub and take a long soak. It seemed to help me.