MESO-Rx Exclusive What do you think about steroid use in the military?

[Millard]

John Hoberman, who I consider the top historian on matters involving doping in sports and society including law enforcement, recently wrote this multi-part original series for MESO-Rx about steroid use in the United States military.

I would really like to know what you think of the series, and your general thoughts about PED use in the armed forces. If you have served our country, your personal experiences with these issues are welcome. And don't forget to answer the poll question. Thanks!

Steroids in the U.S. Military – The View From the Ranks (Part 1)

“What is the perception of AAS among the vast number of servicemen?” an anonymous website commentator asked on October 24, 2007. “Same brainwashing? I

thinksteroids.com

 

[Ss99]

All for it

 

[Silentlemon1011]

John Hoberman, who I consider the top historian on matters involving doping in sports and society including law enforcement, recently wrote this multi-part original series for MESO-Rx about steroid use in the United States military.

I would really like to know what you think of the series, and your general thoughts about PED use in the armed forces. If you have served our country, your personal experiences with these issues are welcome. And don't forget to answer the poll question. Thanks!

Steroids in the U.S. Military – The View From the Ranks (Part 1)

“What is the perception of AAS among the vast number of servicemen?” an anonymous website commentator asked on October 24, 2007. “Same brainwashing? I

thinksteroids.com

100% all for it.
Our boys need to use every advantage they can get.

This isnt sport, its life or death, if gear can make you stronger and faster/ less fatigued from moving wit the ruck...
Then have at it.

 

[Snapshot]

I am currently going into the military and have been using for 5 - 6 years. As far as I am aware, usage is very high in the special forces. Yes I am without a doubt for it, especially for the infantry guys. Infantry is extremely physcially damanding, and you barely get any sleep when deployed. Not only this but your eating these nutrient deficient MREs.

 

[Thatbish]

Abso-fucking-lutely.. it pisses me off that I have to be sly and paranoid just so I can better myself for my JOB

Edit: I like the gains too of course

 

[malfeasance]

All for it, but make no mistake you can be subject to disciplinary actions and they could send you out with a less than honorable discharge (US).

Just an old news story, but interesting.

Steroid use on the rise in the Army

An investigation last year at Joint Base Lewis-McChord uncovered illegal use of steroids among soldiers bound for Afghanistan, and offers a rare look at what surveys indicate is a rising use of these drugs within the military.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[lifter6973]

Wow, 12 for 12 so far approve regardless if legal or not (including me).
I say, why not. You want these guys to be as fit and strong as possible.

I say the same for firefighters and police, If they want to, why not? After all, they put their lives on the line and in some of their cases, they need to be stronger than those they come across or they may not live to see another day.

 

[lifter6973]

Here is a thought- Do you think there are countries that REQUIRE steroid/PED use for certain military personnel?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Didn't they used to, or still do, supply AF pilots with amphetamines?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

In Mexico they re fuckin far ahead.... you buy even Boldenone and Trenbolone in pharmacy and policemen kill civilians on request by druglords

USA is the land of Bb competitions, Arnold is a hero but if you re a soldier and use some Tren they can bust your balls...if you re a normal guy and carry some aas , even worse.. fuckin unreal ahah

 

[malfeasance]

Didn't they used to, or still do, supply AF pilots with amphetamines?

Go pills.

‘Go pills’: A war on drugs?

The U.S. military has a brilliantly effective solution to one of its most deadly enemies: a little orange pill. But these “go pills” — “speed” in common vernacular, are controversial. Part IV of a 5-part series. By Jon Bonne’.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[malfeasance]

Wow, 12 for 12 so far approve regardless if legal or not (including me).
I say, why not. You want these guys to be as fit and strong as possible.

I say the same for firefighters and police, If they want to, why not? After all, they put their lives on the line and in some of their cases, they need to be stronger than those they come across or they may not live to see another day.

Well, you are on MesoRx. If you were on a quilting bee forum, I assume the poll would turn out differently.

 

[Snapshot]

Didn't they used to, or still do, supply AF pilots with amphetamines?

I doubt it. The fighter pilot era is dead and has been dead. Sure in the early 20th century the Germans were using it, but in 2021 I doubt it's still a thing. I know infantry guys (Marines) were definitely using during the war in afghanistan. Also the Air Force is very strict about their pilots getting enough sleep, these guys are flying 100 million dollar jets.

 

[ThanosSnap]

amphetamines have been used for a really long time, I believe the nazis experimented with them, and “go pills” are a thing as well in U.S military right now, so I think AAS would not be an issue. People will question the ethics of the usage but I don’t see a problem personally.

 

[Bulldog413]

This question goes without saying. Who would you feel more comfortable with if our freedom was at stake? Dwayne Johnson or Screech from Saved by the Bell.

 

[Millard]

100% all for it.
Our boys need to use every advantage they can get.

This isnt sport, its life or death, if gear can make you stronger and faster/ less fatigued from moving wit the ruck...
Then have at it.

It's not sport, right? Unfair advantages and unlevel playing fields are kinda the whole point of warfare.

As far as supposed concern about the adverse side effects in sport, that's always been a dubious argument since most sport itself is more dangerous than AAS.

So it's even more difficult to make a health concern argument when it comes to the life and death environment of combat.

To the contrary, your chances of survival (health) are greatly increased with enhanced physical and cognitive performance via pharmaceutical intervention.

 

[Millard]

Abso-fucking-lutely.. it pisses me off that I have to be sly and paranoid just so I can better myself for my JOB

I say the same for firefighters and police, If they want to, why not? After all, they put their lives on the line and in some of their cases, they need to be stronger than those they come across or they may not live to see another day.

This question goes without saying. Who would you feel more comfortable with if our freedom was at stake? Dwayne Johnson or Screech from Saved by the Bell.

My support for PED use is predicated on the assumption that PEDs will actually enhance performance in the military.

There is no doubt that AAS can be used effectively to enhance variables like muscle strength, size, recovery, etc. But that is not necessarily beneficial in military-specific conditions. They can also compromise performance.

Too much bodyweight is one those factors. That happens to be the reason most people use them. And most cycles are designed with this goal mind. Yet in many if not most sports, it can be detrimental.

The goal usually becomes one of enjoying all the benefits of AAS while gaining as little weight as possible. Such is the case in the military.

This might require a revisiting of the hypermuscular super-soldiers in the popular imagination. And also an abandoning of the higher dosages and combinations that many have come to know and love,

The high-performing super-soldier wont look anything like Dwayne Johnson.

 

[Human_backhoe]

yoe goal usually becomes one of enjoying all the benefits of AAS while gaining as little weight as possible. Such is the case in the military.

This might require a revisiting of the hypermuscular super-soldiers in the popular imagination. And also an abandoning of the higher dosages and combinations that many have come to know and love,

Completely agree with this statement!

The primary goal should be strength and recovery. Although in the units we are discussing ego would play a HUGE part in deviation from that goal. Although it would be mostly self regulating as within small units there is no tolerance for fuck ups from your peers.

Also maybe keep PED's away from airborne lol. That would be a disaster!

Anecdotally I know one guy who is 6'4" and was pushing a lean 270 ish who was/is a absolute monster and did just fine until he broke his back (weight being a factor) up until that point he just carried the c6/m240 and could haul more ammo over long distance than a mule!

( @Silentlemon1011 am I right on his stats?)

My support for PED use does not extend to the regular infantry. 17 and 18 yo kids in that MOS don't have the where with all to make a educated decision.

 

[lifter6973]

My support for PED use is predicated on the assumption that PEDs will actually enhance performance in the military.

There is no doubt that AAS can be used effectively to enhance variables like muscle strength, size, recovery, etc. But that is not necessarily beneficial in military-specific conditions. They can also compromise performance.

Too much bodyweight is one those factors. That happens to be the reason most people use them. And most cycles are designed with this goal mind. Yet in many if not most sports, it can be detrimental.

The goal usually becomes one of enjoying all the benefits of AAS while gaining as little weight as possible. Such is the case in the military.

This might require a revisiting of the hypermuscular super-soldiers in the popular imagination. And also an abandoning of the higher dosages and combinations that many have come to know and love,

The high-performing super-soldier wont look anything like Dwayne Johnson.

True- military needs to have a shit ton of endurance thus the constant running. The bulking steroids and high mg probably wouldn't be in the protocol.
Over the years, winny seems to be the choice for a ton of pro athletes that aren't huge but are looking for an edge in performance.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

My support for PED use is predicated on the assumption that PEDs will actually enhance performance in the military.

There is no doubt that AAS can be used effectively to enhance variables like muscle strength, size, recovery, etc. But that is not necessarily beneficial in military-specific conditions. They can also compromise performance.

Too much bodyweight is one those factors. That happens to be the reason most people use them. And most cycles are designed with this goal mind. Yet in many if not most sports, it can be detrimental.

The goal usually becomes one of enjoying all the benefits of AAS while gaining as little weight as possible. Such is the case in the military.

This might require a revisiting of the hypermuscular super-soldiers in the popular imagination. And also an abandoning of the higher dosages and combinations that many have come to know and love,

The high-performing super-soldier wont look anything like Dwayne Johnson.

Completely agree with this statement!

The primary goal should be strength and recovery. Although in the units we are discussing ego would play a HUGE part in deviation from that goal. Although it would be mostly self regulating as within small units there is no tolerance for fuck ups from your peers.

Also maybe keep PED's away from airborne lol. That would be a disaster!

Anecdotally I know one guy who is 6'4" and was pushing a lean 270 ish who was/is a absolute monster and did just fine until he broke his back (weight being a factor) up until that point he just carried the c6/m240 and could haul more ammo over long distance than a mule!

( @Silentlemon1011 am I right on his stats?)

My support for PED use does not extend to the regular infantry. 17 and 18 yo kids in that MOS don't have the where with all to make a educated decision.

True- military needs to have a shit ton of endurance thus the constant running. The bulking steroids and high mg probably wouldn't be in the protocol.
Over the years, winny seems to be the choice for a ton of pro athletes that aren't huge but are looking for an edge in performance.

This will depend on the individual and the job they're doing.

I agree with @humanbackhoe

I have a few buddies who were SF/Recce/Snipers
They all looked like amateur Bodybuilders.

They typically operated within 6 man teams and carried an insane amount of kit, as they sometimes wouldnt get a resupply for days on end.

They all used PEDs in one specific way, gain as much size and strength as possible while maintaining their Cardio.

Guys were walking around, shredded at anywhere between 5'8" to 6'6" 220 to 270 respectively.
The basic mentality was.. I should be strong enough to be able to ruck and engage with zero thought of the weight.
If I don't have to worry about shooter fatigue, I will win the firefight.

Test/Winny was a favorite stack on tour.
Test/Tren/Deca/Anavar was the favorite stack for buildup/pre deployment.

Mass size has its place, especially the guy who Humanbackhoe mentioned, it allowed him to save a couple guys by being able to absolutly MANHANDLE a guy with full loadout into his shoulder snd sprint him to safety before First aid