1g Deca Only Experiment

[Deleted member 123722]

What is your EF like? Are any heart valves leaking? Any hypertophy in your heart? What about cardiac remodeling? Any arrhythmia? How much brain plaque do you have?

I was in the same boat as you for the most part. Sure my liver numbers were mildly out of whack, but otherwise my blood work looked pretty damn good. I am also not telling you to stop. But being haphazard and pretending like everything is "good to go" without really knowing, is silly.

I just want you to be aware of the potential ramifications of these decisions. Whether or not you take them seriously is up to you. You have already told us you're throwing caution to the wind, and I support your right to do that.

thing is, IDK if I can just walk into the VA and ask for random tests for no reason.

 

[Cherokee]

Like I said earlier, it is "stupid," but at the same time, everyone says if you take tren for more than 8 weeks, it will destroy you...Yet I took 200mg for literally 6 months, and when I was done, everything was fine. In fact, I only waited 1 month to jump on my Test/Primo cycle, and everything was PERFECT, except AST was 51, Hemocrit was 51% and HDL was low, which I naturally have lower HDL. My blood pressure was normal.

You are smart... but you are also stubborn. Im so stubborn I was sick for 7-8 years, almost falling over, I didn't even recognize it I'm so driven.

In some ways, others can evaluate us a lot better.

I've read it is more toxic to the brain, and more damaging to veins by a number of 11x, yet then you can read how people have considered replacing Test with Deca for TRT.

Toxic to the brain How?

Damaging to the veins.. thats a pretty vague statement.

Is it safe to say, for the same results, testosterone is just as dangers as Deca? Not the same dosage, but the same results.

 

[theotherguy]

thing is, IDK if I can just walk into the VA and ask for random tests for no reason.

I told my doc I was having heart pains and she told me that should would schedule and echo. It may not be too hard if you tell them you're having issues

 

[Deleted member 123722]

You are smart... but you are also stubborn. Im so stubborn I was sick for 7-8 years, almost falling over, I didn't even recognize it I'm so driven.

In some ways, others can evaluate us a lot better.

Toxic to the brain How?

Damaging to the veins.. thats a pretty vague statement.

Is it safe to say, for the same results, testosterone is just as dangers as Deca? Not the same dosage, but the same results.

One study claims that Deca did 11x more damage than test; Taeian Clarke will argue the opposite of course. At the end of the day, all these things can harm us over time and with abuse... That's why we cycle them.

It seems other have had this discussion Is NPP really safe? 11x more damaging to blood vessels than test

 

[malfeasance]

One study claims that Deca did 11x more damage than test; Taeian Clarke will argue the opposite of course. At the end of the day, all these things can harm us over time and with abuse... That's why we cycle them.

It seems other have had this discussion Is NPP really safe? 11x more damaging to blood vessels than test

I didn't mean to start a debate on your log. I asked only because I was not aware this issue was even up for debate.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

UPDATE: More "bad" news...

We are now adding insulin to the protocol to help with all the carbs I'm eating. We decided to do this for two reasons: One, how my body is responding to the carbs after testing with glucometer; two, when I go to 10ius of GH ED, it's best to utilize slin anyway. However, we are going to use Humilin R, so its not the fast acting, and this is to cover all my meals, doing shots twice a day.

So yea, this "Deca only" experiment has transformed completely, but you know what, I've never had a coach and I never stuffed my face with this much meat and carbs in my life, so might as well maximize.

Anyway, for those of you who disagree, please spare me the "wtf bro," or "you're crazy" comments...Yes, I am crazy and I'm going all in for three months to see what happens.

P.S. My arms are already 18 measured cold this morning, and I weight 242 already. Drol is insane lol.

 

[T&H]

UPDATE: More "bad" news...

We are now adding insulin to the protocol to help with all the carbs I'm eating. We decided to do this for two reasons: One, how my body is responding to the carbs after testing with glucometer; two, when I go to 10ius of GH ED, it's best to utilize slin anyway. However, we are going to use Humilin R, so its not the fast acting, and this is to cover all my meals, doing shots twice a day.

So yea, this "Deca only" experiment has transformed completely, but you know what, I've never had a coach and I never stuffed my face with this much meat and carbs in my life, so might as well maximize.

Anyway, for those of you who disagree, please spare me the "wtf bro," or "you're crazy" comments...Yes, I am crazy and I'm going all in for three months to see what happens.

P.S. My arms are already 18 measured cold this morning, and I weight 242 already. Drol is insane lol.

I'd like to think most of us just have slight concern of the cycle and how you justify everything, not intentionally being critical. At least, that's my angle.

You keep me mentioning this "coach" you met on here, who initially was supposed to be diet only, but now adding slin and other things. Have they provided any other people they've successfully coached, do you even know if they know what they're talking about?

 

[Cherokee]

I'd like to think most of us just have slight concern of the cycle and how you justify everything, not intentionally being critical. At least, that's my angle.

You keep me mentioning this "coach" you met on here, who initially was supposed to be diet only, but now adding slin and other things. Have they provided any other people they've successfully coached, do you even know if they know what they're talking about?

His coach is some group guy in Israel, who trained Lavie Kafra

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[Gbro]

Wtf bro, you're crazy

 

[Bumpygooch]

UPDATE: More "bad" news...

We are now adding insulin to the protocol to help with all the carbs I'm eating. We decided to do this for two reasons: One, how my body is responding to the carbs after testing with glucometer; two, when I go to 10ius of GH ED, it's best to utilize slin anyway. However, we are going to use Humilin R, so its not the fast acting, and this is to cover all my meals, doing shots twice a day.

So yea, this "Deca only" experiment has transformed completely, but you know what, I've never had a coach and I never stuffed my face with this much meat and carbs in my life, so might as well maximize.

Anyway, for those of you who disagree, please spare me the "wtf bro," or "you're crazy" comments...Yes, I am crazy and I'm going all in for three months to see what happens.

P.S. My arms are already 18 measured cold this morning, and I weight 242 already. Drol is insane lol.

Im fine with using insulin, however, it shouldn’t be used for this purpose. Metformin should be/should have been employed as soon as you decided to start on 10iu/day GH.

 

[GuerillaPete]

UPDATE: More "bad" news...

We are now adding insulin to the protocol to help with all the carbs I'm eating. We decided to do this for two reasons: One, how my body is responding to the carbs after testing with glucometer; two, when I go to 10ius of GH ED, it's best to utilize slin anyway. However, we are going to use Humilin R, so its not the fast acting, and this is to cover all my meals, doing shots twice a day.

So yea, this "Deca only" experiment has transformed completely, but you know what, I've never had a coach and I never stuffed my face with this much meat and carbs in my life, so might as well maximize.

Anyway, for those of you who disagree, please spare me the "wtf bro," or "you're crazy" comments...Yes, I am crazy and I'm going all in for three months to see what happens.

P.S. My arms are already 18 measured cold this morning, and I weight 242 already. Drol is insane lol.

Wow insulin + your body fat levels = Michelin Man !
If anything you should cut buddy this is the cold hard truth you would be 100% better of getting lean and than bulking!

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I'd like to think most of us just have slight concern of the cycle and how you justify everything, not intentionally being critical. At least, that's my angle.

You keep me mentioning this "coach" you met on here, who initially was supposed to be diet only, but now adding slin and other things. Have they provided any other people they've successfully coached, do you even know if they know what they're talking about?

The "coach" is a member here and is on the thread. I've spoken to him and we discuss things every day. He reached out to me to offer his advice and I'm going with it. And yes, he knows what he is talking about. My thing has always been an accountability thing, as you can see, I'm very fickle and can change my course in a heartbeat. But we are going with a bulk phase, and I'm eating exactly what he tells me to eat.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Wow insulin + your body fat levels = Michelin Man !
If anything you should cut buddy this is the cold hard truth you would be 100% better of getting lean and than bulking!

I'll cut later. Insulin won't make me fat unless I eat like shit. If I don't take it, I'll certainly get fat because of how high my BG will be with the carbs and GH.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Im fine with using insulin, however, it shouldn’t be used for this purpose. Metformin should be/should have been employed as soon as you decided to start on 10iu/day GH.

we were going to go with berberine at first, and I did mention Metformin, but I told I'm gonna be going 10ius so why bother with getting Metformin from someone when I can go right to the pharmacy and get legit slin?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Wtf bro, you're crazy

Well, it's only for 3 months, so might as well get crazy.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I'll cut later. Insulin won't make me fat unless I eat like shit. If I don't take it, I'll certainly get fat because of how high my BG will be with the carbs and GH.

By the way you look, you do eat like shit! And insulin will make you fat and insulin resistant and getting lean after that will be a nightmare !
Very hard cut you will have but you have been warned its your decision after all!

 

[Deleted member 123722]

By the way you look, you do eat like shit! And insulin will make you fat and insulin resistant and getting lean after that will be a nightmare !
Very hard cut you will have but you have been warned its your decision after all!

Yea, this is where you lose the conversation...first you're claiming you know what I'm eating, when you have no idea; I'm eating literally bro meals of rce and ground beef, lean turkey, or steak. Secondly, you assume I'm going to get fat because you're making it seem insulin just stores fat now and does nothing else right? The GH with the high carbs that keep my BG constantly elevated is going to make me insulin resistant... You have no idea wtf you're talking about. If insulin makes one insulin resistant, they wouldn't give it to diabetics lol.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Yea, this is where you lose the conversation...first you're claiming you know what I'm eating, when you have no idea; I'm eating literally bro meals of rce and ground beef, lean turkey, or steak. Secondly, you assume I'm going to get fat because you're making it seem insulin just stores fat now and does nothing else right? The GH with the high carbs is going to make me insulin resistant... You have no idea wtf you're talking about. If insulin makes one insulin resistant, they wouldn't give it to diabetics lol.

Said the Michelin Man!

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Said the Michelin Man!

Exactly. You can't refute anything so you make ad hominems like a child. Please explain how insulin, a medication created to fight diabetes, lower blood sugar, and spare beta cells of the pancreas, is going to make me insulin resistant lol.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Exactly. You can't refute anything so you make ad hominems like a child. Please explain how insulin, a medication created to fight diabetes, lower blood sugar, and spare beta cells of the pancreas, is going to make me insulin resistant lol.

You know you are the fattest member here right!?
You are close to 30% body fat , insulin resistant , with metabolic syndrome and your plan is to bulk!
Bro you have small arms because you are insulin resistant!
I can tell all this by your picture and i can see clearly you could not stick to a diet if your life depended in it!
You dont get 25-30% fat by knowing to diet but good luck on being forever fat and ignorant .
Im out