1st Cycle. Test/HGH/Primo +possible var? Then return to TRT. 16-20 week cycle

Rido

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I know I will get heat for running multiple substances but I am ok with my decision. I am open for input and whats done and initated. I will keep this as a log to see how my body reacts, responds, any mood swings. My wife is in full support of this and knows I am doing my research to minimize damage to my body and enhance my relationship with my wife. I feel that I am able to pinpoint my symptoms so far with lab work as well. The only negative one I have been experiencing was the loss of libido which is now fixed. I do have mild Acne, mild mood swings, and stretch marks are noticed. Maybe I am justifying my stupdity, but atleast I am going to have frequent monitoring to make sure I am not minimizing my stupidty.

4 weeks into Cycle test/primo, 1 week into HGH


Age:34
HX of lifting. 4 years prior to injury which was 8 years ago.
Max DB press 120 each arm x 8
Max deadlift 500(12 years ago, herniated disc stopped me from advancing)
Max Squat was 315.
Torn left pectoralis.(Reattached 8 years ago.)


Overall Goal: Re-enter lifting and live a healthier lifestyle. Pack on size, lean out(indirectly due to gaining muscle and start of AAS. Also always wanted to experiment with AAS and I was never the right age to start it before until now. I wanted to build up size, strength. I do not know if I ever plan to compete on an amateur level but that is still on the table depending on how I do.

extra supplies on hand is probably overkill but I like an "oh shit stash"
AAS
10x vials of Test C
10x vials of Primo E
8x 100 ui kits of HGH
300x 10mg of Var.(on hold)

Ancillaries(as needed)
Aromasin
E2 pills(Using)
Nolvadex
Clomid
HCG
Zetia(using)
HCTZ
Telmisartan.

Supps
Creatine 5g
Multi
DHEA 25mg
pregnenalone 20mg
fish oil
Vit D3 10k units
Magnesium
Taurine



Cycle 1 goal: Full recomp for my first cycle. I do understand it’s a little hard to do, but I want this to be my learning cycle. The 2nd one will be more dialed in for my goal. It will definitely be a bulking cycle.


Diet is 3500 calories a day. 200g+protein a day. rest will be broken up among carbs and fats.

Stats at beginning of re-entering the weight room. Was Confirmed by Dexa Scan
5’10, 209 lbs
20% BF.

Pre blast 208 lbs 18% BF. Visceral fat dropped by 40% from TRT and my liver enzymes heavily improved.

Original plan:
300 test
300 primo
40mg of var split

Current plan: Total 16 weeks. Will obtain labs, evaluate gains at 14 weeks to determine if I will extend the cycle.
4 weeks in currently

600Test
300primo
4iu of HGH split daily
E2 pills
Labs every month. CBC, CMP, Lipids, SHBG, F&T test, estradiol.

Unsure of the anavar to finish the cycle off for 6 weeks.

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Obviously some labs are missing. I will be updating it along the way.
I have a high baseline PLT and hoping it will stabilize. this is secondary to testosterone usage.


My History/thoughts
I stopped lifting because it stopped being fun for me due to my injuries and inability to break PRs until I started TRT.
The cycle I am running isn’t a huge financial concern for me and if I spend 200 a month for substances that are considered extremely safe, I am ok with it.

So I am ok with the cost of this cycle. Alot of people will be against it as I am purchasing some of the more expensive substances with a little lower return vs many things out there. I have figured that I will drop more money for “safer” of the products. While I do understand that AAS does have its risk vs reward, I think that this fits my goals the best. My wife is very supportive of all of this. We are both Healthcare workers.


Original plan/changes
I was originally going to run 300T/300P and 20mg of Var. I am actually a very low aromatizer which kind of was a surprise as I am not super lean. It has been affecting my libido and had to make some Changes. It has been improving since I have been making changes.


I was originally running a TRT dose and decided to start the cycle for 12-16 weeks but may prolong it to go longer, I will go back to a TRT dosage when it is complete



December 8th was the start of the blast at 300mg of test/300 primo+HGH.
I have been getting consistent blood work, and realized my SHBG tanked to 7(From 22)and my e2 dropped to 22(from 39).

I have experienced things such as lowered libido. My bodyfat runs around 18% and is dropping still at this time. I decided to increase my testosterone to 500mg and then to 600mg. I will re-evalaute my labs on January 10th. I will be supplementing ethinylestradiol everyday up until the 10th to evaluate my blood work and see how it recovered my estrogen. Also ordered 2mg of estradiol valerate.


I did have mild CTS from the HGH which has resolved on its own in a few days.


My gains in the gym have been improving with bursts, probably also a lot of water at the start.. No hints of gyno , some mood swings. I am tolerating everything very well. Currently at 3iu of HGH split among the day. I have noticed some swelling in my joints/hands that can be triggered by alcohol, even by 1 drink. Kind of scared me the first day, but I have cut my alcohol by probably 80% from deciding to have a lifestyle change back to where I once was.
 
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Some thoughts.

Blood work from Wednesday.
Shbg 10 from 9. Estradiol 39 from 29 after a week of taking in oral estradiol. I'm still waiting for test


Maybe primo is just not for me as I do not aromatise easily. I may even considering to not run it on my next cycle which kind of sucks.



Overall I'm happy with my gains but a dose limiting issue with the primo is the libido decrease.



I need some better long term control. My body is also very weird.



What I have noticed:

I am more prone to high platelets count vs high hgb.

I do not aromatise easily which gives me a low estrogen, then a low shbg and then a low libido.



I picked oral estradiol as it is supposed to directly increase shbg as it gets eaten up by the liver fast without causing systemic issues like dbol.
 
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Sorry, I have 2 threads. this one was mainly done to show stan's blood work.
I should have disclosed that test is test C and Primo E

The follow up efffects from adding ethinyl estradiol are in the other thread.

Estrogen went from 39 to 22, SHBG dropped from 22 to 8.
Libido went away,

this is the timeline.
started cycle in mid october at 120mg of test solo.
11/3 pick up of libido
12/8 are the last labs at 120mg of test a week. great libido. That same day I increased the test to 300 and added 300 primo. E2 was 39. Test was 811, SHBG was 22.
12/20/21 I noticed my libido fell so I Grabbed blood work.e2 22, test 1588 SHBG 7. Increased test to 500, left primo at 300.
12/27 blood work shows Test at 2758, e2 at 29, SHBG was 9. Increased test to 600, left primo at 300. added in ethinyl estradiol
1/5 Obtained blood work to see any changes. unknown test(pending). e2 is at 39, SHBG is at 10.

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Also because the SHBG is 10. I would have thought the e2 pills would have sped up the process. I will be restarting my HPTA. There are some studies with some boys utilizing tamoxifen 10mg, 20mg, and no treatment. they found increased of SHBG with 10mg.(no different than 20).

Every day for 2 weeks. looks like it nearly doubled. I dont want to do this everytime and wil lstart HCG for now.

I guess to kick start, 1500iu of HCG EOD for 2-3 weeks. I will post the blood work at the end of this treatment.

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Well I have COVID, assuming omnicron. Only affected leg day where I wanted to vomit in my home gym.
 
Everything is going well. I am starting hcg for estrogen support. Lab recheck is in 2 weeks. I also did give pt141 a try .. a small breeze will give me a hard on...
 
So far I am seeing great size gains on my cycle. I opted to run a short cycle of anadrol 50mg for 3-4 weeks. Going to get blood work in 2 weeks to asses liver function, estradiol, igf for goodlyfe as well.

The pt141 is a great fix for the crashed libido as a seatbelt.


One unique thing while running this is I am not too worried about eating too much for once in my life. I want to have nice consistent lean gains but I know I need to eat to do so. I am not being overpoweres by fear of getting fat but fear of wasting my time.

I guess I feel that I need to make this cycle worth it if I am going to be doing damage is to my body.
 
Day 42 of blast: This is where I am at right now.

4 units of hgh twice a day.
HCG 500 twice a week
600 Test C
300 Primo E
50mg of anadrol daily.


My libido is up and kicking, I feel great. I feel completely dialed in like when I was at my fully dialed in TRT dose.

Gains are going well. Probably thing that sucks is the anadrol is giving me heart burn, but I can take pepcid for that as prilosec is not ideal for anadrol. I will be on Anadrol for another 2-3 weeks.

Lab recheck in 8 days.
 
The libido didnt hold. it fucking sucks. The gains still went well on Primo, but I decided to abandon it. I replaced it with Masteron. now I have 8 vials of unopened primo. I will try to resell it to friends.

I wish it would have worked for me, but I will stick with masteron until I go back to TRT and figure something else out for next cycle
 
I don't usually do much for commenting on here but it looks to me your bouncing all over the place. Your changing your doses of long esters before your previous change has even built situation & taken effect. You have to many variables changing at a time to lock down your issues on any one of them. I'd suggest going back to the drawing board & starting with 1 compound at a time & seeing how your body reacts before adding/changing components & doses.
 
Ouch. How did this happen? Can you describe it further?
Wide grip bench press. it was only 225. I would normally rep 120s each arm for DB press and this was the first time I had a spotter in a long time.

I heard a pop and thought I dislocated my shoulder. I had to get it re-attached.

I clapped my hands together and saw my left pectoral just hanging. it was a horrible feeling. I stopped lifting for years because of pain exacerbation it would cause me and was a huge blow to my ego.

Surgery was performed but it would cause pain. If I would balance something and prevent it from falling I would get a sharp pain at the insertion side and made me feel like less of a man. I know it sounds stupid.

I am in a much better place now and the AAS have helped it recover back to nearly 100%. It may be at 100% now, but I still have a fear in the back of my head that is holding me back.
300 mg of primo killed your libido? How do you know it was not something else, like low or high e2?
It was the low e2 I think.... There are also reports of primo affecting other peoples libido.

Even on 300mg test 300mg of primo its brought my e2 to 22.

600mg of test C, 300mg of primo E, 1000units of HCG a week brought my e2 to 39


My wife and I are swingers. If it wasnt for the libido issue, I would continue the primo. I didnt feel that much of negativity that I couldnt handle from this.
 
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I don't usually do much for commenting on here but it looks to me your bouncing all over the place. Your changing your doses of long esters before your previous change has even built situation & taken effect. You have to many variables changing at a time to lock down your issues on any one of them. I'd suggest going back to the drawing board & starting with 1 compound at a time & seeing how your body reacts before adding/changing components & doses.
You are right. I am bouncing all of other place.

The gains/gym performance were great. I really enjoyed it, it is the libido portion that is bothering me the most.

I am doing well on most of the compounds, its just the libido portion. I have already imitated the masteron and I will stick with it until the end of the cycle. I expected this first cycle to be a little all over the place. I am also capturing labs frequent enough that I can still minimize self harm.

The issues I have encountered were primarily irritability and libido. to be honest, I already have my mind set and my trajectory is set. I still really appreciate everyones input and know I took a risk with starting with multiple compounds. This is a log for myself and other people who may have some interest in seeing how this turns out.

I may be fooling myself but I feel like I need to stick with one that appears sustainable. This is my last "attempt" if the masteron creates issues, I will go back to Test/HGH. TRT, rinse and repeat


If it means anything. my last dose of primo was on 9 days ago and I went on a full blown fuck session with my wife and another girl saturday with great response. I havent done that since prior to my cycle. Also I started getting pimples since its 9 days after primo...
 
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Ah, man, that is right where I have injured (but apparently not separated) mine twice. Both times required weeks of avoiding use of that arm and especially any pressing movements.

And it constantly aches.
 
Ah, man, that is right where I have injured (but apparently not separated) mine twice. Both times required weeks of avoiding use of that arm and especially any pressing movements.

And it constantly aches.
Have you had an MRI? It aches when I use certain machines but not painful. I am attributing it to it being stressed and I am not gonna push my luck unless it's even discomfort on both sides
 
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