MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
24k Pharma US Domestic Source
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Just switched over to 24k last Thursday. Been doing quad injections 2x per week Monday and Thursday. (9 weeks) alternating
1-1.5 every injection.
boxcar
New Member
hm...and you're having pip since pinning? I'm not fully sure what causes pip, but the blend could not be a smooth and it's not being abosrbed properly? I haven't haf pip gear in a loong time
I was using Mass builder test and literally no pip at 1.5cc. But not sure how accurate the dose is.
boxcar
New Member
it's possiable 24k pharm gear is better dosed and you're not used to this much gear at once?
Yeah i have seen some great bloodwork on 24k so I wouldn't think his gear is underdosed at all.
naturalkon
New Member
There are a lot of reasons for pip. One is to keep the pussies from running gear. I'm not sure of the rest.
ackrug
Member
Found this on another site:
Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.
A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.
Pain is also caused by concentration of your gear.
Building off of point 1: Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of Testosterone Propionate. If 50mg (or less) of testosterone propionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosterone propionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL Testosterone Propionate.
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body
The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.
If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.
If your muscle is new to the hormone, it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.
How do I prevent pain before I inject?
Cut your shots 50:50 with sterile filtered oil. If you want to use 50mg of Testosterone Propionate, and you have 100mg/mL Testosterone Propionate- pull 0.5mL of your test prop, and 0.5mL of sterile filtered oil to shoot 1mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate. This is the #1 best way.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.
Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.
Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.
If none of these work you could have dirty gear. Its possible there could be particles (although bacteriostatic) in the gear that are not causing infection, but still cause in site infection that made it through a filter.
How do I deal with pain once I have it?
The worst thing you can do is ice it. Cold will help the crystals fall out of solution/suspension.
Its okay to take some ibuprofin to decrease the swelling, and help with pain.
Also being in a hot tub, or jacuzzi, or warm bubble bath will help melt the crystals down. Using a heating pad can help also.
Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.
A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.
Pain is also caused by concentration of your gear.
Building off of point 1: Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of Testosterone Propionate. If 50mg (or less) of testosterone propionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosterone propionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL Testosterone Propionate.
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body
The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.
If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.
If your muscle is new to the hormone, it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.
How do I prevent pain before I inject?
Cut your shots 50:50 with sterile filtered oil. If you want to use 50mg of Testosterone Propionate, and you have 100mg/mL Testosterone Propionate- pull 0.5mL of your test prop, and 0.5mL of sterile filtered oil to shoot 1mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate. This is the #1 best way.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.
Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.
Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.
If none of these work you could have dirty gear. Its possible there could be particles (although bacteriostatic) in the gear that are not causing infection, but still cause in site infection that made it through a filter.
How do I deal with pain once I have it?
The worst thing you can do is ice it. Cold will help the crystals fall out of solution/suspension.
Its okay to take some ibuprofin to decrease the swelling, and help with pain.
Also being in a hot tub, or jacuzzi, or warm bubble bath will help melt the crystals down. Using a heating pad can help also.
Turkeywrap
New Member
@24kpharma check your emails please
lunk666
New Member
What do you guys( I ask because your sharing a ton of great info) think about TNE and it raising hemacrit to much to fast. Is TNE like EQ, or anadrol where you could experience a dramatic spike putting you in the danger zone to fast? Thank you for any info!
boxcar
New Member
I my be way off basis, but I remember taking a tren base and that shit fucked me up. I went to donate blood to get my levels down...I was high enough to give double red blood cells because I had so many?
I won't ever touch non ester gear anymore, never had a good experiance
Been running 24k test E and test C for quite some time. Never any pip at ALL. Glutes, delts, quads. No pip and bloodwork shows 8-8.2 X test. So I know it's potent
Yeah, Watson Cyp. is potent and doesn't have any particularly notable PIP.
My guess, if you're the only one experiencing this, is that it's user error.
I should be caught up now, PM me if you have not received a response back yet. Thanks.
@24kpharma would you ever consider a preworkout like TNE+Drol or Dbol? Those sorts of injectables are gaining popularity for people like myself who don't tolerate orals well, yet like the instant gratification.
Injectable tbol and var would also be exciting to me, and I'm sure many other users.
What would it take, from our end, to convince you to make up some new blends/expand product offering? It appears you already have the raws for some of these options, as well as the equipment and necessary items....
Thanks.
Injectable tbol and var would also be exciting to me, and I'm sure many other users.
What would it take, from our end, to convince you to make up some new blends/expand product offering? It appears you already have the raws for some of these options, as well as the equipment and necessary items....
Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback. Our main limiting factor at this point in time is truly safety. We've cut down the size and frequency of our imports and have started using slower international shipping options that are under less scrutiny. To be honest, at this point in time we are simply scared to aggressively expand our line up because of the increased interest of the DEA on anabolic steroids. It takes a constant flow of raws to maintain a large inventory and, as some may know, we usually have 1-2 "basic" products that are out of stock at any given time. Furthermore, if we were to expand our offerings, it will most likely result in larger ordering volume. Expansion and increased business is not our primary focus right now. Also, as we try to roll out more testing results, it will be difficult to maintain a large tested inventory.
There are several other factors, but the primary factor at this point in time is that I am simply too hesitant to expand. Admittedly, I can see the huge monetary potential of this business if a UGL were to aggressively expand on all fronts. However, the consequences are simply too dire for me to go that route. At this point in time, my suggestion would be to look towards other large domestic and international UGLs for more exotic products and blends. I apologize that we are unable to provide them at this time. Right now there is general sense of unease among many UGL sources, both public and private. There is no doubt that there are LE officers perusing many of these forums. I recognize that at this point in time, this thread is the largest active domestic UGL source on this forum. I am unsure of how this translates in terms of putting targets on our backs, but I would like to be more than cautious.
Sorry for the slight tangent, just wanted to reiterate the seriousness that surrounds this operation. Thanks for reading.
This makes perfect sense to me. I was just curious, sense for example, you have anavar raws, if you could make injectable var too?
Safety is still #1.
Not sure why you are getting PIP. I have been pinning for 6 weeks and I only get it in the vastuslateralis (quads). And it isn't even at the injection site. It usually causes pain in the lower rectus femoris the next day, and last week it lasted for three days.
I would switched to the ventrogluteal since I haven't had an issue with those (other than trying to get the damn site). I lay down on my side and pin them.
Frank the tank 456
New Member
I never got bloods, but when I was using it I noticed my BP was up. My blood just felt "thicker".
I noticed I would get winded doing heavy lifts. I'm gonna leave it out of my next cycle. I was using 2-3 times a week for about 8 weeks. I grew fast tho however, I'm pretty sure it raised my hemacrit to the point where I was winded and felt lethargic at times.
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