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Ryno1980
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That's a typo... lol.. 600 mg test 400 mg tren..Whooo shut the front door with that Tren dosage! Lol. How long you gonna run your machine on 600mg?
I like to round mine up to 5'8 but I'm really 5'7, Arrrr. Scale said 205 today, I'm gettin there! Simple Test n dbol, started at 190ish, 4 more weeks, then back to simple trt
. In the meantime Cmon 210~215!
Ryno1980
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Test and dbol is my favorite cycle... good luck with yours.. I ran anadrol this time and im 4 weeks in.. thinking of dropping it.. I think the tren and test are good for meWhooo shut the front door with that Tren dosage! Lol. How long you gonna run your machine on 600mg?
I like to round mine up to 5'8 but I'm really 5'7, Arrrr
How did you like the Drol? I hear some folks it's say it's a love or hate it compound. I thought about runnin some abombs back in the day but never did. Good luck with your run too bud!
Ryno1980
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I don't care for it.... but this is my first time running it.... after dbol I thought it would be insane but I'm disappointed so far..
Oak707
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Can anyone explain why there's 250mg/ml in the vial but it's labeled as 200mg/ml? I know he changed it a while ago from 250 on the label. I read his answer the other day,but I just saw it referenced again in the testing forum. If the bloods weren't coming back where he wanted them and that's why he changed the label, does that say something about the raws? I was under the impression they were tested and had come back at 95%. Of course every batch is different. Is there testing being done still? Seems to me that if you're dosing at 250 and getting bloods that reflect 200 something has to be off. I know the reputation is solid and have followed this thread since the beginning. I see the bloods, so I'm not questioning results because they are consistent. I'm questioning how they are being achieved. I don't want to pin 750mg/ml to be at 600mg/ml because raws are 75% and I'm pinning25% of God knows what. I'm not trying to be a dick by any means either. Just looking to see if anyone has an answer that makes sense to me.
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Frank the tank 456
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hey flounder, do you compete in bb or physique comps?
Evening, I think this is a good time to bring up a subject I have been thinking about myself, and deserves the community's attention.
The difference between advertised vs actual dosing for test was simply due to blood results several months back. For other products it was due to compensation for possibly lower purity results. Please not that this was before we had access to analytical lab testing.
We have done testing and we are happy to share results for particular compounds by email. We are still doing testing, but lately the turnaround for lab results has been much longer than in the past. For transparency, we do not have the capabilities and resources to test every batch of raws and finished product that is made and sold. The primary reason revolves around the logistics of importing raws and customs - I am uncomfortable going into details in a public setting, but I can elaborate in email if you are interested in the details.
The testing done for Test E, C, and P raws have all come back at over 90%. However, my dilemma here is the variance in blood work results from individual to individual. When I first started here, there seemed to be a general consensus that 7-10x total testosterone based on weekly dosage is deemed acceptable product, with 10x being the goal. I have tried to stay out of this debate as much as possible, as I know there are many opinions on this. However, it seems to me that recently there has been a shift in this POV and that lower TT levels are being accepted, with the reasoning being variance in individual response, single vs multi-week dosing, long vs short ester, etc. This can be seen in the latest Test P blood work thread in the lab testing section. Please note that these are simply observations and that I am not stating my opinion on what "acceptable" blood work values are - I cannot as this would be bias from a source.
That being said, a hypothetical question that I bring up is "What is more preferred - 250mg/mL labeled as 200mg/mL with "high" blood work values or 200mg/mL labeled as 200mg/mL with "low" blood work values?" Or to rephrase, what's more important - the blood work TT value or the analytical testing concentration value? I have seen some members here note that they are surprised by some of the analytical testing that has come back on some labs because they previously had negative views of said lab. Ultimately, as an individual would you hypothetically be happy or satisfied seeing, say, 4x TT from accurately dosed product vs 8x TT from overdosed product? Some may argue that accurately dosed product would not yield 4x TT, but I have seen bloodwork here, in the lab posting section, that has shown 4x TT from pharmaceutical grade testosterone attained with a script.
Furthermore, please allow me to elaborate why this is a difficult dilemma for me as a source. If we overdose to try and achieve higher/"better" TT values, there will be some who question the overdosing as not accurately dosed product or impure product. If we dose accurately based on limited analytical lab testing, there may be some individual who receive lower than expected blood TT values and argue that they product they received is not from the same tested batch. Of course, we can have their specific product sent in for testing, but not everyone is comfortable or willing to send in their product and what about all the individuals who have the same batch, will they have to wait around until results come back?
Hopefully everything I have discussed so far has made sense. Ultimately, we are willing to do what the community decides as the best way to handle product. We can all agree that the analytical lab testing done here and by individual sources is a great step forward in the AAS scene. However, it has brought what some individuals may see as a "surprised" - which is accurately dosed and or high purity testosterone products producing lower than expected total TT values. So how does meso as a community want us to address that moving forward?
Ryno1980
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Like I said tho usually when you run Dbol or anadrol, you run test e with it so for the first 4 weeks the test is building up in your system and basically your feeling the effects of the orals... In my case I frontloaded Test p and tren A from the start and rolled in to test and tren e... so I wonder if the effects of the a bombs were scewed by already being loaded up on tren and test... I don't know like I said it was my first run with front loading but I have 4 weeks of orals left and im thinking of just dropping them all together..
Ryno1980
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My personal opinion on this matter is that as long as I keep getting the quality of test I have received 3 times now, I don't feel like there is a win win when It comes to total satisfaction.. as you stated , some will feel the dosing is low if they are not satisfied with bloods, others will feel like an overdosed product is poor quality control and so on and so fourth... I think what we all need to remember here is the overall outcome of what we are doing here. Reliability and consistency go a long way. The fact that you are addressing these concerns speaks for your service and I would just keep in mind that there is no right or wrong answer moving forward. Do what you do.. your obviously business oriented enough to know .... And ill be honest I thought I had read this entire thread but today is the first time I realized the 200 was actually dosed at 250 so in reality I have been running 750 instead of 600 which is fine but I was just under the impression that previous cycles at 600 weren't as good quality because I can deff tell the difference over the last 4 weeks... Just my 2 cents..
Personally I like lots of test, so the more test per ml, the better. It seems some say they don't like overdosed test because of gyno, but that's not something a little bit extra adex wouldn't fix.
I wouldn't change a thing. A little extra kick never hurt nobody
Oak707
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I agree that more is better, I just don't know if everyone would be as happy finding out they are pinning 750 when they thought they were pinning 600. I hadn't really thought about that part of it though honestly. I was just curious why more. Quality or trying to satisfy people that weren't satisfied with their bloods, even though they were probably right where they should be. I'm also completely satisfied with the explanation. You have always taken your time to thoroughly explain things and ask what can be done to satisfy the members here. I think you're doing just fine and whatever you decide I'm sure it will be fine. The way you handle yourself and your track record here speaks volumes.
Nope just getting in the best shape of my life. I may consider doing something but I think there's still lot's of work to do. Shit I'm happy just staying out of jails and off parole!! Thanks for asking Frank the Skank!
How about you, you big beast? Any comps in your future?
andy122146
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OK so I'm confused...the 200mg/ml test E I have from 24k is really 250mg/ml. Am I correct in saying that
My suggestion to 24k is leave the test label as is and EVERYTHING else as is. To be honest, this is the first time that I've ever said that about a business.
To a certain extent yes, but you should do bloods to check how your body metabolizes the ester. At roughly 480~500mg per week I was at 7X. 480mg X 7= 3360. I'd say the test is dosed good and not under or over. Again just my 2C.
Damn you've got 30 pds on me. I'm 6'0 as well.
I honestly would rather know what's in the bottle. Blood test change person to person. Unless that person provides a base line with pharm grade then it's not a good judge. Pinning variations (1/2/3 times a week) make a huge difference. The 10x rule goes completely out the door once you change to short ester i.e. Prop. I don't think it's safe to put 200mgs on the bottle when you know you put 250. If the plan is to take 1 gram a week and I end up taking 1200 that is a problem. You could end up screwing up your AI dosage along with other things.
andy122146
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I have a quick question. I'm running 500mg/wk of test E and 25mgs of dbol Ed. I'm in day 3 of that cycle. My question is do u think I should be taking .5mg of adex EOD or should I wait to see sides..ie water retention,gyno. I hear too low estrogen can wreck gains..
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