2nd proper blast, advice needed :)

[nutmegpliz]

Hi all,

Still on my journey to getting diced to the socks. I am quite new here and haven't given a rundown of my 1st cycle, although the results were very decent and I was happy with my physique afterwards, I know I will be criticised for some of the mistakes I made, but due to these mistakes I have learned many valuable lessons.

500mg test E PW (injecting once a week)
250mg deca PW (injecting once a week)
30-50mg anavar PWO for the last 6 weeks of cycle or so

I saw very very noticeable strength and size gains but these plateaued. I was working 14 days in a row at points, in a very stressful situation with a long distance relationship. Main issues faced:

Blood pressure: For some reason the private pharmacies in the UK stopped allowing me to order lisinopril, by the time I ran out I was halfway through and my only other pharm source fucked me around a bit. For this next cycle, to mitigate this, I have propranolol and telmisartan en route and plenty of it, switched from lisinopril as I heard this is better at preventing cardiac remapping/LVH.

Sleep: So I never knew that beta-blockers could inhibit melatonin production, I can't get melatonin very easily here due to the psychoactive substance act. What I found was, if I took propranolol I was unable to sleep for 4 hours, if I didn't take it I'd pass out from sheer exhaustion, but the excess sympathetic nervous system drive would keep me in very light sleep, I kept waking up. When i added the var I also had bad BPH despite being on finasteride, I assume I'll just need to go to 1.5mg or maybe 2 next time. To mitigate sleep issues, I have a lot of slow release melatonin en-route so will use these in conjunction with propranolol. I suspect the sleep was why I plateaued so hard, I was unable to actually fully recover.

Cramps: Sometimes when reaching for something my forearm would cramp for example, really bad cramps. I suspect now this was magnesium deficiency but at the time figured it was just a weird side-effect of the drugs. I guess I was expending more electrolytes. Mitigation will be obviously supplementing magnesium glycinate.

I had no sexual sides weirdly (I was actually horny as fuck to the extent I'd bust inside my gf 6 times a day sometimes and occasionally just randomly push her to her knees mid-conversation and fuck her face, she loves it don't worry) but have stocked up on caber anyway.

I suspect some of this came from refusing to inject more than once a week, which I plan to do now.

Next cycle plan:

Weeks 1-10:

Test E 375mg PW (Injecting twice a week)
Deca 250mg PW (Injecting twice a week)

Weeks 10-20

Test E 500mg PW (Injecting twice a week)
Deca 375mg PW (Injecting twice a week)
Anavar 30mg ED

I will monitor blood pressure and sleep, if I can't handle the increase and ancillaries can't seem to help I'll drop back. My question: I was considering maybe introducing another AAS at some point. My primary consideration at the minute would be 25mg proviron ED (I will run tudca and NAC if running an oral for the full 20 weeks), mainly to help combat the water retention without needing an AI. But was also interested in the sound of winstrol, or maybe running var at the start and switching to dbol? I'm not sure if this makes any sense, I also wondered if a low dose of EQ or masteron throughout or just for the last 14 weeks maybe could provide some extra benefit? I think I'm maybe just complicating things for no reason. I think the most rational and cost-effective thing is my proviron idea, sounds like it goes well with deca and will help keep me less watery which was a bit of a problem last cycle as I'm prone to moon-face. Could I just run proviron for the whole cycle, and if so what dosage?

Excuse my retardation guys, I am very new and although my understanding of the theory is OK, I'm prone to getting overexcited and getting carried away. I learned that more isn't necessarily more and that for someone at my level I really don't need to go too mad.

 

[Davidinovg]

This post is way to long, btw to me it doesn't make much of a sense changing your doses at the 10 weeks mark.

Pick a dose for your cycle and stick to that.

For the rest of the questions (as they are way too many) somebody will chime in.

 

[nutmegpliz]

This post is way to long, btw to me it doesn't make much of a sense changing your doses at the 10 weeks mark.

Pick a dose for your cycle and stick to that.

For the rest of the questions (as they are way too many) somebody will chime in.

Yeah sorry for how long it is, not the first time I've had to say that to somebody ))

I heard that, as your cycle progresses, sensitivity to the anabolics you take steadily decline, that's why it makes more sense to add orals at the end of your cycle. The rationale seems solid to me, especially since I understand upregulation/downregulation when it comes to neuroscience, the body always tries to find homeostasis.

 

[Davidinovg]

Yeah sorry for how long it is, not the first time I've had to say that to somebody ))

I heard that, as your cycle progresses, sensitivity to the anabolics you take steadily decline, that's why it makes more sense to add orals at the end of your cycle. The rationale seems solid to me, especially since I understand upregulation/downregulation when it come

Yeah sorry for how long it is, not the first time I've had to say that to somebody ))

I heard that, as your cycle progresses, sensitivity to the anabolics you take steadily decline, that's why it makes more sense to add orals at the end of your cycle. The rationale seems solid to me, especially since I understand upregulation/downregulation when it comes to neuroscience, the body always tries to find homeostasis.

to neuroscience, the body always tries to find homeostasis.

I never said that adding an oral at the end of the cycle is a bad thing.

What I meant is that I do not understand why u want to increase ur test and deca dosages at the 10 weeks mark??

They are long esters and will take time to be at steady levels so by that time you will end ur cycle; so why don't start with an amount and keep it as it is for the whole cycle as far as injectables?

If you want to add an oral mid or end cycle as you plateau is perfectly fine.

 

[nutmegpliz]

I never said that adding an oral at the end of the cycle is a bad thing.

What I meant is that I do not understand why u want to increase ur test and deca dosages at the 10 weeks mark??

They are long esters and will take time to be at steady levels so by that time you will end ur cycle; so why don't start with an amount and keep it as it is for the whole cycle as far as injectables?

If you want to add an oral mid or end cycle as you plateau is perfectly fine.

Like I said, I heard that since you adjust to your anabolics and lose sensitivity, it's a good idea to increase dosage some way through the cycle, I've seen a few people incorporate this into their cycles. I do hear what you're saying about the esters though, maybe it'd make more sense with NPP or something? Part of it was that I'm not sure if maybe I'm just not used to AAS yet so that it might be prudent to use a more moderate dosage for my next blast and then, if my physiology allows for it, increase the dosage? Just so you know, I'm not trying to challenge you, I'm simply stating my rationale and not meaning to come across as stubborn or combative, since I came here for help.

I think, since I have the proper ancillaries and know what went wrong last time, I'll stick to the same dosing I used before. That being said, do you think running proviron at 25mg per day is worth it, if I use NAC and/or TUDCA?

 

[Davidinovg]

Yes, a shorter ester like NPP would be a better choice if you want to adjust dosages mid cycle.

Btw I never used proviron but I'm planning to do it once I will get the chance but from my research 25 mg is a very low dose so I would start at 50 mg a day divided into 2 doses and see how it goes.

No need for NAC or TUDCA, it is not 17 alpha alkylated so ur liver will be fine,
monitor your HDL/LDL instead.